Ejection Fingers
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Would you agree that the marks in these pictures were all made by ejection fingers at the mint? I understand that they are not supposed to impact the grade, is this true? Also, will these marks usually impact the value of the coin? Thanks for all your knowledge on this!
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Me thinks that's reeded edge coin contact marks. Dollars, quarters cause them and exhibit them. Peace Roy
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Yep, a normal contact mark from the edge of a coin. Even if it was damage that was mint caused it would affect the grade.
That is what I had thought before, but on the second picture (a 1831 capped bust half) lkeigwin had pointed out this was caused by ejection fingers in another post. Also, the third picture is a MS67+ Roosevelt, I had a hard time understanding how it was graded 67+ with those marks but mint damage makes sense.
Reed marks. Are you sure lkeigwin wasn't talking about something else going on with the bust half?
Perhaps, what would marks made by ejection fingers look like? Google has been worthless on this subject for me.
Lance.
That is from this post
Looking at the pictures now, I can see the spacing is a bit different from the second picture compared to the other two.
Here is one I own with the ejection marks. Bought from Sheridan Downey and his comments are below:
O.103 R1 CAC
Sheridan Downey states about this coin:
“Students will note the 3-dot signature of the ejection mechanism and faint roller marks. (Planchet strips were "rolled" to proper thickness. Blanks cut from the strips sometimes carried an imprint of the rolling machine.)”
Ejection marks have wider spaces between them than rim marks from another coin... That has been my observation... I have no proof that is always true, just from seeing pictures over the years. Cheers, RickO
Thanks for your pic, that pretty much matches what I am seeing on mine. Nice capped bust by the way!
Thanks ricko, that's what I am thinking at this point. Seems weird that an otherwise beautiful proof seated half would have random, and deep, marks from a reeded edge but not much else other than hairlines. Also, how would that happen to a otherwise flawless Roosevelt. You would think they would have been marked up a bit more.
Here's a little crisper pic of that coin and its ejection fingers marks.
Lance.
Here are some more examples. Not to be confused with the hit from a reeded edge, like the last image (which is a little extreme, granted).
Lance.
Thanks for your excellent photos Lance! Is this something mostly seen in capped bust halves, or is this commonly seen across all types?
I am totally unfamiliar with Sheridan's theory that those three contact marks in a row are somehow caused by the press. The ones shown all look like edge reeding marks to me.
Ikeigwin's last picture with the long curved row of denticles is a coin that was first struck off-center, causing some of the denticles to be struck near the center of the coin, and then put back in the press and struck normally. The denticles were mostly flattened where the field of the die hit the coin because the pressure is greater there, and less flattened across the head because of the lesser pressure there.
I believe all to be PMD, except for the last, which was double struck with the first striking off-centered.
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When I look at the OP's coins and the bust halves with the 'dots' I see reeding marks. The pre-1836 bust halves could have been bagged at some point with other coins that did have reeding.
This is the type of question (and images) I wish the experts at PCGS would chime in on. That would be another way PCGS, and other professional grading services could educate their market.
Agreed. I miss Insider2, they always had great insight on random subjects such as these.
reed marks i think its kinda cool sometimes to see it