1965 Quarter Verification

Diamond70

Hi Everyone,

I'm a UK coin collector that has just started getting in to US coins. I've been doing it for a few months now, and I'm finding it very interesting. I am a bit stuck at the moment however with identifying a 1965 Washington quarter which I cherry picked from a hard plastic SMS set. I'm pretty sure it's just a case of machine doubling and not a variety, but just wanted to run it by the experts for confirmation of what it is. I've added a few pictures to look at and a google cloud link to view for more detailed pictures if required.

Many thanks in advance.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1QB_Re7F77sO_JXuUEDWZVT2Y2kmRsSZY?usp=sharing

Oldhoopster

Your coin was struck from very worn dies.

Diamond70

Thanks for the information Oldhoopster.
Does that mean that it is just worth face value then?

koynekwest

BTW-welcome!

pursuitofliberty

Welcome @Diamond70

Great pictures!

Yes, it appears it came from fatigued (worn) dies. Probably worth more than Face Value (I certainly wouldn't spend it) but hard to say how much more. Maybe one of the Washington Clad people will chime in.

Looks like it would grade pretty well, although the costs may not be worth the effort.

Diamond70

@koynekwest said:
BTW-welcome!

Thanks

Diamond70

@pursuitofliberty said:
Welcome @Diamond70

Great pictures!

Yes, it appears it came from fatigued (worn) dies. Probably worth more than Face Value (I certainly wouldn't spend it) but hard to say how much more. Maybe one of the Washington Clad people will chime in.

Looks like it would grade pretty well, although the costs may not be worth the effort.

Thanks Todd, Very much appreciated

ricko

@Diamond70... Welcome aboard.... Worn dies and some wear....No numismatic premium, but good for your 'education' file.... Great pictures by the way... Cheers, RickO

Jimnight

Nice pics!
Nice example of worn dies.

jesbroken

Welcome to the forum. Great Photos. As said, if you become an album filler this would be a nice coin to place in the album.
Jim

Diamond70

@ricko said:
@Diamond70... Welcome aboard.... Worn dies and some wear....No numismatic premium, but good for your 'education' file.... Great pictures by the way... Cheers, RickO

Thanks Rick, It's definitely good for the education file, I'm making notes!
Thanks for the thumbs up about the pictures, I appreciate the feedback.

Diamond70

@jesbroken said:
Welcome to the forum. Great Photos. As said, if you become an album filler this would be a nice coin to place in the album.
Jim

Thanks Jim, I'm chuffed to bits that you think the photos are that good!
I will definitely be looking into the possibility of being an album filler if the images can add to the knowledge base, I'm all for that Thanks again.

joeykoins

Hi and welcome aboard. Good pics, like mentioned. You say this came from the SMS, 1965 "hard plastic"? Only the SMS 1966 and '67's came from the famous blue rectangular boxes inside that hard plastic you mentioned. The SMS 1965's came in a cellophane pack inside an white envelope?
Maybe, your quarter is that of the business strike? Such as my 1965? Just to throw that out to ya. Once again, welcome to the forum.

Here is my "business strike" 1965.

MS 66

1965, 66 and 67

Diamond70

@joeykoins said:
Hi and welcome aboard. Good pics, like mentioned. You say this came from the SMS, 1965 "hard plastic"? Only the SMS 1966 and '67's came from the famous blue rectangular boxes inside that hard plastic you mentioned. The SMS 1965's came in a cellophane pack inside an white envelope?
Maybe, your quarter is that of the business strike? Such as my 1965? Just to throw that out to ya. Once again, welcome to the forum.

Hey Joey,
Thanks for the welcome, and thanks for the stamp of approval for the pics
You make a great point about there being no actual instances of 1965 SMS sets that are encased in hard plastic, I remember reading that somewhere as it goes.

The explanation that I read to account for this is that the US Mint began striking these Special US Mint Set in 1966 but initially with a backdate of 1965 to 1967, these sets were constructed of hard plastic which encased the coins.

The full blurb reads: "1965 - 1967 Special US Mint Sets were issued to fulfil a demand by collectors for a numismatic product containing examples of the circulating coins released those years. The need of such a set arose from the fact that the US Mint, beginning in 1965, opted to cancel both the Proof and Mint Sets. A complete cancellation of annual sets would not last long, however the Mint began striking these Special US Mint Set in 1966 but initially with a backdate of 1965 to 1967, these sets were constructed of hard plastic which encased the coins."

Whether its factual I don't know but I would definitely be very interested to get to the bottom of it.

I managed to dig out some pictures of the original hard plastic case that they came in, but it seems to be missing the blue insert sleeve. Maybe it was taken out afterwards?

The plot thickens!

MsMorrisine

https://coinweek.com/modern-coins/collecting-the-special-mint-set-coins-of-1965-1967/

The 1965 Special Mint Set was issued in pliable plastic packaging similar to the Proof and Uncirculated sets of the previous decade. The 1965 set contains a single Pliofilm packet with six sealed pockets, five containing each of the five coins and the sixth housing a navy blue and silver plastic token with a silhouetted design of a heraldic eagle and the words “UNITED STATES SPECIAL MINT SET”. The set comes with a certificate describing the new set, and all these materials are packaged together in a cream-colored outer paper envelope.

IkesT

@Diamond70 said:

@joeykoins said:
Hi and welcome aboard. Good pics, like mentioned. You say this came from the SMS, 1965 "hard plastic"? Only the SMS 1966 and '67's came from the famous blue rectangular boxes inside that hard plastic you mentioned. The SMS 1965's came in a cellophane pack inside an white envelope?
Maybe, your quarter is that of the business strike? Such as my 1965? Just to throw that out to ya. Once again, welcome to the forum.

Hey Joey,
Thanks for the welcome, and thanks for the stamp of approval for the pics
You make a great point about there being no actual instances of 1965 SMS sets that are encased in hard plastic, I remember reading that somewhere as it goes.

The explanation that I read to account for this is that the US Mint began striking these Special US Mint Set in 1966 but initially with a backdate of 1965 to 1967, these sets were constructed of hard plastic which encased the coins.

The full blurb reads: "1965 - 1967 Special US Mint Sets were issued to fulfil a demand by collectors for a numismatic product containing examples of the circulating coins released those years. The need of such a set arose from the fact that the US Mint, beginning in 1965, opted to cancel both the Proof and Mint Sets. A complete cancellation of annual sets would not last long, however the Mint began striking these Special US Mint Set in 1966 but initially with a backdate of 1965 to 1967, these sets were constructed of hard plastic which encased the coins."

Whether its factual I don't know but I would definitely be very interested to get to the bottom of it.

I managed to dig out some pictures of the original hard plastic case that they came in, but it seems to be missing the blue insert sleeve. Maybe it was taken out afterwards?

The plot thickens!

Hi Diamond70,

Your coins look like they may be UNC business strikes, rather than SMS. The late die state on the quarter is certainly more consistent with a business strike coin, and to my eye, all of the coins look more like business strike than SMS in terms of the luster.

It's not uncommon to see aftermarket sets like yours that were put together by someone other than the mint. Not a bad thing - they are still uncirculated coins - but unlikely to be SMS, in my opinion.

mannie gray

@Diamond70 said:

@joeykoins said:
Hi and welcome aboard. Good pics, like mentioned. You say this came from the SMS, 1965 "hard plastic"? Only the SMS 1966 and '67's came from the famous blue rectangular boxes inside that hard plastic you mentioned. The SMS 1965's came in a cellophane pack inside an white envelope?
Maybe, your quarter is that of the business strike? Such as my 1965? Just to throw that out to ya. Once again, welcome to the forum.

Hey Joey,
Thanks for the welcome, and thanks for the stamp of approval for the pics
You make a great point about there being no actual instances of 1965 SMS sets that are encased in hard plastic, I remember reading that somewhere as it goes.

The explanation that I read to account for this is that the US Mint began striking these Special US Mint Set in 1966 but initially with a backdate of 1965 to 1967, these sets were constructed of hard plastic which encased the coins.

The full blurb reads: "1965 - 1967 Special US Mint Sets were issued to fulfil a demand by collectors for a numismatic product containing examples of the circulating coins released those years. The need of such a set arose from the fact that the US Mint, beginning in 1965, opted to cancel both the Proof and Mint Sets. A complete cancellation of annual sets would not last long, however the Mint began striking these Special US Mint Set in 1966 but initially with a backdate of 1965 to 1967, these sets were constructed of hard plastic which encased the coins."

Whether its factual I don't know but I would definitely be very interested to get to the bottom of it.

I managed to dig out some pictures of the original hard plastic case that they came in, but it seems to be missing the blue insert sleeve. Maybe it was taken out afterwards?

The plot thickens!

Your set is a "put together" set possibly made for collectors of business strike coins.
It was assembled by a 3rd party, and while the coins are of US mint issue, they aren't SMS examples.
As a previous poster noted, the 1965 sets were issued in a package nearly identical to proof sets issued 1956-64 (and some 1955 as well.)
Welcome to the world of "across the pond" coins.

Diamond70

@IkesT said:

@Diamond70 said:

@joeykoins said:
Hi and welcome aboard. Good pics, like mentioned. You say this came from the SMS, 1965 "hard plastic"? Only the SMS 1966 and '67's came from the famous blue rectangular boxes inside that hard plastic you mentioned. The SMS 1965's came in a cellophane pack inside an white envelope?
Maybe, your quarter is that of the business strike? Such as my 1965? Just to throw that out to ya. Once again, welcome to the forum.

Hey Joey,
Thanks for the welcome, and thanks for the stamp of approval for the pics
You make a great point about there being no actual instances of 1965 SMS sets that are encased in hard plastic, I remember reading that somewhere as it goes.

The explanation that I read to account for this is that the US Mint began striking these Special US Mint Set in 1966 but initially with a backdate of 1965 to 1967, these sets were constructed of hard plastic which encased the coins.

The full blurb reads: "1965 - 1967 Special US Mint Sets were issued to fulfil a demand by collectors for a numismatic product containing examples of the circulating coins released those years. The need of such a set arose from the fact that the US Mint, beginning in 1965, opted to cancel both the Proof and Mint Sets. A complete cancellation of annual sets would not last long, however the Mint began striking these Special US Mint Set in 1966 but initially with a backdate of 1965 to 1967, these sets were constructed of hard plastic which encased the coins."

Whether its factual I don't know but I would definitely be very interested to get to the bottom of it.

I managed to dig out some pictures of the original hard plastic case that they came in, but it seems to be missing the blue insert sleeve. Maybe it was taken out afterwards?

The plot thickens!

Hi Diamond70,

Your coins look like they may be UNC business strikes, rather than SMS. The late die state on the quarter is certainly more consistent with a business strike coin, and to my eye, all of the coins look more like business strike than SMS in terms of the luster.

It's not uncommon to see aftermarket sets like yours that were put together by someone other than the mint. Not a bad thing - they are still uncirculated coins - but unlikely to be SMS, in my opinion.

@mannie gray said:

@Diamond70 said:

@joeykoins said:
Hi and welcome aboard. Good pics, like mentioned. You say this came from the SMS, 1965 "hard plastic"? Only the SMS 1966 and '67's came from the famous blue rectangular boxes inside that hard plastic you mentioned. The SMS 1965's came in a cellophane pack inside an white envelope?
Maybe, your quarter is that of the business strike? Such as my 1965? Just to throw that out to ya. Once again, welcome to the forum.

Hey Joey,
Thanks for the welcome, and thanks for the stamp of approval for the pics
You make a great point about there being no actual instances of 1965 SMS sets that are encased in hard plastic, I remember reading that somewhere as it goes.

The explanation that I read to account for this is that the US Mint began striking these Special US Mint Set in 1966 but initially with a backdate of 1965 to 1967, these sets were constructed of hard plastic which encased the coins.

The full blurb reads: "1965 - 1967 Special US Mint Sets were issued to fulfil a demand by collectors for a numismatic product containing examples of the circulating coins released those years. The need of such a set arose from the fact that the US Mint, beginning in 1965, opted to cancel both the Proof and Mint Sets. A complete cancellation of annual sets would not last long, however the Mint began striking these Special US Mint Set in 1966 but initially with a backdate of 1965 to 1967, these sets were constructed of hard plastic which encased the coins."

Whether its factual I don't know but I would definitely be very interested to get to the bottom of it.

I managed to dig out some pictures of the original hard plastic case that they came in, but it seems to be missing the blue insert sleeve. Maybe it was taken out afterwards?

The plot thickens!

Your set is a "put together" set possibly made for collectors of business strike coins.
It was assembled by a 3rd party, and while the coins are of US mint issue, they aren't SMS examples.
As a previous poster noted, the 1965 sets were issued in a package nearly identical to proof sets issued 1956-64 (and some 1955 as well.)
Welcome to the world of "across the pond" coins.

Thanks Mannie and Ikes, Very useful information and very much appreciated you're taking the time to pass it on. Puzzle solved