Extending my Brent Pogue Lowball Type Set
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Back in the Brent Pogue sale earlier this year, I got a bit of auction fever. I wasn't building a type set at the time and I had been interested lowballs but hadn't picked up any. Pogue fever set in and got me to pick up my first pieces.
For some reason, Stack's doesn't mention Pogue in the lot description so you can't find these by searching for Pogue on their site. Someone else will need to make a set to share Pogue's marvelous set. It would be great to have a PCGS Registry Set 
This was just two random pieces recently, until I picked up a few more pieces in the Bill Fivaz auction.
Did anyone else her pick up any Pogue lowballs?
1787 Fugio - PCGS PO01 - Ex-Brent Pogue
This was the first coin of the set lot-wise. I picked up this on a whim because I had wanted a Fugio for a long time and it was a Pogue PO01. Many of Pogue's lowballs are CACed but this one isn't.
1920 Pilgrim Half Dollar - PCGS FR02 CAC - Ex-Brent Pogue
I picked up this one because I like the Pilgrim Half Dollar. It's not a PO01 but it is a CAC, my lowest one so far but I'm hoping to have some PO01 CACs too.
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CAC does not sticker colonials anymore.
So then came along the Bill Fivaz set. Stack's calls it the "World's Worst Type Set" but he has a lot of FR02s in his set as well. I think Pogue could give Fivaz a run for his money if the sets were compared.
At this point, I wasn't really collecting a type set of these, but he had a Feuchtwanger I fell in love with and then who was it that said you can't stop with just one coin?
1837 Feuchtwanger Cent - German Silver - Reeded Edge - PCGS PO01 POP 0/1/663 - Ex-Bill Fivaz
This is the coin I fell in love with. It's a POP 1. The next higher coin is an AG03. The back is completely flat but the obverse is unmistakeable. I've always wanted a Feuchtwanger as well and have considered pulling the trigger on a couple of high graded specimens but haven't picked one up yet so this is my first.
This coin is my second coin that is featured on a Stack's banner. You can see it by the "Bid Now" button.
It doesn't look like the Fivaz set was sent to CAC and I don't know that CAC certifies these.
1924 Huguenot-Walloon Tercentenary - PCGS PO01 POP 0/4/4,581 - Ex-Bill-Fivaz
I love the reverse on this peice with the ghostly ship. I reminds me of a pirate ship in the mist and the Pogue New-Rochelle piece a bit but you can more clearly make out the image here.
This one isn't CAC but may probably worth sending it.
Ah good to know and a good validation on Pogue's eye.
I think they don't certify Feuchtwanger's either.
Love my S-20 1794 head of '93:
Great coin @burfle23!
Pogue had a great set of early low ball coins.
1924 Huguenot-Walloon Tercentenary - PCGS PO01 POP 0/4/4,581 CAC - Ex-D. Brent Pogue
Here's Pogue's Huguenot half dollar to compare with my Fivaz specimen.
I'm not sure what the oval impression is on the reverse. Does anyone know?
I have a strange draw to these, too — bought and sold a few over the years — just never Pogue examples.
Low balls are really amazing coins and can be quite beautiful. I was following these before the registry sets and it's amazing to think now they have provenance like Pogue and are featured by Stack's.
I personally love lowballs but don't like the prices some of these are getting. It's bad enough competing for higher grade coins but now we have to compete for the lowest grade too!
I try to add to my lowball set when I can but try to do it in an economical way. For example getting a nice Fr-2 or AG-3 instead of the lowest graded PO-1.
Beautiful coins!!!
Thanks! I try to be pretty picky about ones I pick up.
The slabbed ones are getting very pricey. The Pogue ones went for multiples of their pre-auction estimates.
The nice thing about these coins is that you can still buy raw ones inexpensively and get them slabbed, which I've thought about doing as well.
I’ve owned a Feuchtwanger with a CAC sticker but don’t know for sure if they still accept them.
Good to know. I have the impression BIll Fivaz didn't send his coins to CAC, so I hope to have JA evaluate mine.
Does a CAC sticker on a PO01 make it solidly poor for the grade or solidly high end for the grade?
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The notion of a CAC sticker on a PO01 is a bit strange to me
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I take it to mean high end / choice for the grade. I've spent some time thinking about this and still think it's worthwhile to indicate a choice, vs. damaged or other undesirable aspect of the coin. For example, you can have net-graded damage and other things that aren't really desirable, even at low grades.
I used to think the same. And I still do at times. But I think it represents an especially ‘wholesome’ PO01 ... as opposed to a near FR2 piece technically. Still, an oxymoron on some levels regardless.
No doubt there’s a lowball collector somewhere who would scoff at any CAC example out of disgust for being too nice for the grade.
As much as I like CAC, it doesn’t seem that their expertise is needed for such coins.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
One could argue slabbing isn't really necessary for such coins either, at least common varieties.
For better or worse, coin collecting at this level is a first-world hobby and not really about "needing".
Agree but I'd definitely avoid a Gold CAC sticker for a low-ball!
What do you do if your P01 gets a gold bean?
I would make the argument that slabbing isn’t necessary. The difference is, at least that’s already been done.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Burn it!
I actually like the Fugio given the planchette quality and color 😱
It could be useful for a PCGS CAC low ball set. After all, the Pogue Huguenot would qualify, but the Fivaz Huguenot wouldn't!
At some level, this is a hobby and about enjoyment. People enjoy coins in different ways.
Of note, some PCGS low ball sets have great names:
I do as well and it's what drew me to it as my first low ball coin.
I have never understood the attraction to these coins.... That being said, collecting is a hobby and we each have our personal preferences. I will say, those coins above are deserving of the grades. Cheers, RickO
I'm starting to see the attraction of very early worn coins, such as the Fugio and the large cent. Lots of history likely behind those warhorses and clean surfaces. Would go for a few in my collection.
I do like your Fuechtwanger It was an eye catcher for that page for sure.
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Those are all cool! I bid what I thought were strong bids on some of the moderns (the cool looking Franklin and the Ikes/Kennedies) yet was slammed out of all of them.
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As I recall I recently saw two Pogue 1798 Large Cents, PCGS 01s, on eBay. Cool lowball coppers...hard to beat.
Dave
It's pretty amazing how mainstream these are now. I remember you first posting about these here and your $1000 bounties!
Thanks for mentioning these! These are nice coins and I've been wondering how they'd do on the secondary market. One did better, one did worse.
It's interesting that the cert indicates "PCGS PO01" for both but the cert verification page indicates "PCGS PO01BN" for both.
1802 Draped Bust Large Cent - PCGS PO01 BN CAC - Ex-Brent Pogue
PCGS Cert: 38505018
PCGS Pop: 0/13/1034
PCGS PG Value: $50.00
This coin is nice as you can still make out the bust on the obverse.
Auction history:
1802 Draped Bust Large Cent - PCGS PO01 BN CAC - Ex-Brent Pogue
PCGS Cert: 38505019
PCGS Pop: 0/13/1034
PCGS PG Value: $50.00
This piece is more worn than the first but to the point it's hard to make out the design.
Auction history:
Definitely
I'm still looking for a high grade specimen but I'm really happy to be able to add this one.
Okay, this is nice
I was so focused on my Fuechtwanger being featured in the Stack's headline image for the Fivaz sale that I only just noticed that my Huguenot is used as the background image! So both of my coins were featured by Stack's
This started as a whim from the Pogue sale to fan an existing interest. I'm curious to see where this will lead me now.
Here's one I'm debating on adding. What do people think? It's nice as a first year CC 1878-CC Morgan and it's CAC. This is a pop 13 so it's one of the higher pop coins out there. Of note, CoinFacts shows some FR02s but has no images of PO01s. I'm surprised the submitter went for the 30th Anniversary insert but didn't get a TrueView. It would be a shame to lose the slab to get a raw TrueView.
I think the eye appeal is off the charts for a P1!
Slabs, CAC, TVs.....madness!
Sparta!
We haven't gone Plaid yet! We still need Lowball CAC Registry sets!