@TurtleCat said:
It’ll be back with the limited edition silver proof set.
It shouldn't be. 200k mintage. 200k product limit.
Unless it’s some other variant, each year it’s been the S mint one included in the set. Since the limited edition is limited to 30K, they could have reserved that many from individual sale.
Right. Last year's S mint ASE had no mintage limits. This year does, so my guess is the LESPS will have a W minted ASE.
if the LESPS is listed as S, they really could drop a W ASE in there? it's chaos at the mint! 🙃
Okay, I was looking for this, you're right, gotta be an S mint.
Since the mint considers every finish variant a separate line item, the limited edition proof might have an S mint ASE with a different type of proof finish or some other slight variant nonsense. I guess we will find out when it finally goes on sale.
@TurtleCat said:
Since the mint considers every finish variant a separate line item, the limited edition proof might have an S mint ASE with a different type of proof finish or some other slight variant nonsense. I guess we will find out when it finally goes on sale.
wonder what possibilities are out there - are they relegated to things like "enhanced proof"; maybe a reverse proof? will the LESPS ASE be colorized? selective plating? ultra-high relief? time will tell ⏳👀
I think the LESPS has to have an S proof in it....no special finish beast.....a proof.....thus the 170k on the single proof...doesn't match the listed mintage but..... who knows
one thing is right is that there is something wrong.
Okay this got me laughing. Something is wrong. Perhaps the single S proof will be capped at a 200k mintage, and the LESPS will dip into that mintage by the 30 thou. I don't think they will produce a reverse or enhanced version. It is quite bizarre.
To me it’s pretty obvious the mint messed up. They added a last minute mintage limit (initially the ASE-S had no limit) and forgot about the LEPS. The product limit and the mintage was 200k and I believe they sold 200k and there aren’t any left from those.
Technically at this point they should NOT Include it in the LEPS otherwise they are going over the stated mintage of 200k.
The questions is what WILL they do.
Will they quietly change the mintage to 250k? Will they have some other coin or finish added instead of ASE-S? Or maybe some other idea....
Perhaps someone with a connection at the US Mint can reach out and get some clarity.
wait - maybe they're debuting the new reverse on the 2020 LESPS - ??? the 2020-s ASE says last of inaugural design, its a silver proof s, so maybe that's the kicker; an early debut of the new reverse in the 2020 LESPS 🤷♂️
This is indeed interesting.
Curious where the number of 30k came from (for the LESP sets)... was that announced anywhere?
(There were 50k last year, no?)
Well, we don't know what mintages will be since we shipped 217,600, but said 200k would be produced. Well, we are not sure where those extra 17,600 came from to allow us to ship them. Well, perhaps bulk can order more today since we obviously over-produced and have no clue what is in the warehouse. Well, I'm not in the warehouse so the mintage could be a lot higher than even 267,600 if bulk orders more. Well, your battery seems low.
@firstspousecoins said:
Per chat with the US mint the mintage “should” be 267k.
This doesn't make sense at all.
If the "product limit" stated 200k, then sure, make another 50k via another product.
The mintage limit is 200k. full stop.
Wish they had that sort of special math for the 2019 erp😁
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This doesn't even make Mint sense....a 200k mintage AND product limit sells 199,997 singles and 440 rolls of 40 and is set to be included in the LESPS?????
Total misrepresented scam......and pointless to adjust the mintages to be correct after they are all sold..lame
I don’t disagree. It’s wrong. Just posting what i was told.
I went back and forth multiple times trying to explain to the agent the difference between a product limit and mintage limit. 🤷♂️
@firstspousecoins said:
Per chat with the US mint the mintage “should” be 267k.
This doesn't make sense at all.
If the "product limit" stated 200k, then sure, make another 50k via another product.
The mintage limit is 200k. full stop.
customer service agents via live chat have absolutely 0 insight into what the mint is doing. I'd suggest calling the public info office but I've heard they can either be non-responsive to us little ones or just deal with the question in a cursory manner.
perhaps posting a bunch of questions on various online numismatic press might make them go and ask the mint themselves.
@firstspousecoins said:
I don’t disagree. It’s wrong. Just posting what i was told.
I went back and forth multiple times trying to explain to the agent the difference between a product limit and mintage limit. 🤷♂️
That always confuses me too, the differences between a product limit and a mintage limit. Shouldn't they be the same? Or do they differ when a coin like this one is available on other packages like the LESPS?
@firstspousecoins said:
I don’t disagree. It’s wrong. Just posting what i was told.
I went back and forth multiple times trying to explain to the agent the difference between a product limit and mintage limit. 🤷♂️
That always confuses me too, the differences between a product limit and a mintage limit. Shouldn't they be the same? Or do they differ when a coin like this one is available on other packages like the LESPS?
@TurtleCat said:
My guess is the 200K was the limit for the individual sale and not the mintage limit.
which could be unlimited?
why did they stop retail at 200k though?
Who knows? Originally the S mint SAE was supposed to not be limited mintage. Perhaps telling people there was a limit was the mistake and they have too much bureaucracy to get around to admitting it.
I am glad this one coming out in Nov is my last one.
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Up on FB they will answer. I asked about the thought process that went into doing both the gold and silver privy at the same time after the ERP fiasco and they got right back to me
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Up on FB they will answer. I asked about the thought process that went into doing both the gold and silver privy at the same time after the ERP fiasco and they got right back to me
They said that they learned from that and upgraded something I guess.
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Okay, I was looking for this, you're right, gotta be an S mint.
U.S. Mint officials announced Oct. 14 that 169,564 of the Proof 2020-S American Eagles were sold at $73 each.
so maybe the maximum mintage will be 230,000 ?
Even the W proof is currently unavailable.
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So a coin with a mintage and product limit of 200k would have 230k minted?
Since the mint considers every finish variant a separate line item, the limited edition proof might have an S mint ASE with a different type of proof finish or some other slight variant nonsense. I guess we will find out when it finally goes on sale.
Sounds like the 2020 LESPS, even with price increase will be hard to get with only about 30k availability. Don’t see mint making more, why would they?
Edit for spelling.
wonder what possibilities are out there - are they relegated to things like "enhanced proof"; maybe a reverse proof? will the LESPS ASE be colorized? selective plating? ultra-high relief? time will tell ⏳👀
I think the LESPS has to have an S proof in it....no special finish beast.....a proof.....thus the 170k on the single proof...doesn't match the listed mintage but..... who knows
yeah
lesps has to have a s right?
and with that the 200k mintage limit is wrong. or perhaps sales were limited to 170k so far.
one thing is right is that there is something wrong.
Okay this got me laughing. Something is wrong. Perhaps the single S proof will be capped at a 200k mintage, and the LESPS will dip into that mintage by the 30 thou. I don't think they will produce a reverse or enhanced version. It is quite bizarre.
To me it’s pretty obvious the mint messed up. They added a last minute mintage limit (initially the ASE-S had no limit) and forgot about the LEPS. The product limit and the mintage was 200k and I believe they sold 200k and there aren’t any left from those.
Technically at this point they should NOT Include it in the LEPS otherwise they are going over the stated mintage of 200k.
The questions is what WILL they do.
Will they quietly change the mintage to 250k? Will they have some other coin or finish added instead of ASE-S? Or maybe some other idea....
Perhaps someone with a connection at the US Mint can reach out and get some clarity.
I wonder if they'd do something real crazy and do a double reverse stamping, to see the old design out? 🤔🙃
wait - maybe they're debuting the new reverse on the 2020 LESPS - ??? the 2020-s ASE says last of inaugural design, its a silver proof s, so maybe that's the kicker; an early debut of the new reverse in the 2020 LESPS 🤷♂️
Back in stock!
Mine arrived y'day.
And.....out of stock!
Just received my order confirmation!
Interesting...based on today’s sales report.....now I’m very curious what will be in the LESPS
This is indeed interesting.
Curious where the number of 30k came from (for the LESP sets)... was that announced anywhere?
(There were 50k last year, no?)
2020 AM EAGLE SILVER PROOF 1 OZ (S) 199,997 +199,997
2020 AM EAGLE SILVER PROOF 1 OZ (S) – 40 COIN 440 +440
That means sales are 217,597 for a product that has a Total Mintage of 200,000
Yeah, so far as I know the LESPS has been a 50K order limit for the last several years.
Per chat with the US mint the mintage “should” be 267k.
Well, we don't know what mintages will be since we shipped 217,600, but said 200k would be produced. Well, we are not sure where those extra 17,600 came from to allow us to ship them. Well, perhaps bulk can order more today since we obviously over-produced and have no clue what is in the warehouse. Well, I'm not in the warehouse so the mintage could be a lot higher than even 267,600 if bulk orders more. Well, your battery seems low.
This doesn't make sense at all.
If the "product limit" stated 200k, then sure, make another 50k via another product.
The mintage limit is 200k. full stop.
Wish they had that sort of special math for the 2019 erp😁
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This doesn't even make Mint sense....a 200k mintage AND product limit sells 199,997 singles and 440 rolls of 40 and is set to be included in the LESPS?????
Total misrepresented scam......and pointless to adjust the mintages to be correct after they are all sold..lame
I don’t disagree. It’s wrong. Just posting what i was told.
I went back and forth multiple times trying to explain to the agent the difference between a product limit and mintage limit. 🤷♂️
well there you go
customer service agents via live chat have absolutely 0 insight into what the mint is doing. I'd suggest calling the public info office but I've heard they can either be non-responsive to us little ones or just deal with the question in a cursory manner.
perhaps posting a bunch of questions on various online numismatic press might make them go
and ask the mint themselves.
My guess is the 200K was the limit for the individual sale and not the mintage limit.
That always confuses me too, the differences between a product limit and a mintage limit. Shouldn't they be the same? Or do they differ when a coin like this one is available on other packages like the LESPS?
which could be unlimited?
why did they stop retail at 200k though?
they differ when offered in other products
Who knows? Originally the S mint SAE was supposed to not be limited mintage. Perhaps telling people there was a limit was the mistake and they have too much bureaucracy to get around to admitting it.
I dunno, maybe I'm old fashioned - when they say [advertise] "mintage limit", I just assume they mean the limit for the mintage 👀😅🥴
with bulk sales we're over the product limit, too.
As compared to the "good ol days" when there were no mintage limits or product limits and just look at those prices.
Back in stock!
Yup...order all you want...I put a bunch in my cart and they all fit.....did not order.
I expect a press release.."Ummm...oops...we meant unlimited mintage ...not 200k. Sorry"
I smell a rat...
No faith in the soon to be privy ASE....probably sell 100k of them
Yup....still in stock..... I put 99 in my cart and went through the checkout process but did not pull the trigger. Maybe the sales numbers are off?
I thought the mintage limits were approved by Congress so how can the Mint produce more than 200,000?
I just got a reminder notification from the Mint that this is back in stock🤣😂
And back to currently unavailable.
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So....has anyone figured out what is going on with the mintage limits?
call the mint and ask
If this sells well, it will only be a matter of time until the Mint does privy marks on ASE's annually with lower mintages.
Thanks, but no thanks.
I am glad this one coming out in Nov is my last one.
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If you hit them
Up on FB they will answer. I asked about the thought process that went into doing both the gold and silver privy at the same time after the ERP fiasco and they got right back to me
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what did they say; re: their thought process?
They said that they learned from that and upgraded something I guess.
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rite
sounds like genuine corp bs to me
...and calling a phone rep will get you an "I think" response.....has to be an inquiry by someone like Coin World or similar