@JVC said:
Here is a coin that I requested JA reconsider. It failed a second time because JA thought it had been intentionally marked with someone's initials,
Found it!
No ... wait ... here!
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@JVC said:
Here is a coin that I requested JA reconsider. It failed a second time because JA thought it had been intentionally marked with someone's initials,
Found it!
No ... wait ... here!
You missed one!! someone carved a M into the left bow curl thing above the mint mark!!11!! /s
Every once in a while you'll come across a coin that makes you think this one just doesn't look right without a green bean on the slab. I have 2 such coins. Each has been to CAC, each has failed twice. I've not asked why they failed. I trust their reviewing a million more coins than I as a legitimate reason not to question.
If you do what you always did, you get what you always got.
This is just another example of why you can't take the CAC sticker at face value and you need to actually look at the coin and decide for yourself.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth and CAC first started many coins sold in a rush by collectors due to lack of sticker reappeared later on the market garnishing a bean.
To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
CAC is subjective - better than not having them at all but like any service, not perfect IMO - I had a coin in a PCGS 45 fail beaning, it was spectacular and hand selected by one of the most picky dealers out there for it quality, it was then crossed to NGC 50, failed beaning. I then broke it out, sent raw to PCGS, came back 53. Got the bean on that 53 and deserved it don't know why it did not in lesser grades...... I have at least 5 coins of my several hundred submissions to CAC that are identical as far as I can tell to those with beans that did not. I am going to send those back with requests for discussion cause I can't see it.
I bought 8 barbers from a dealer that hand selected them from a whole collection of barbers for their quality and originality (he rejected the other 80 or so), this dealer is one of the best graders in the buisness and frankly it would be hard pressed to find someone better - and 3 of these failed to get the bean.
I have seen beaned coins with intentional groups of scratches on them in a focused areas with beans. Then I have one where there is one scratch, only seen under a lens, and a slight removal (a few mm^2 area) of toning in that area of the field, that JA told me was an issue and he could not bean it. Go figure.
CAC is subjective - HST, to buy a coin at certain price levels without a bean is a huge risk in this market.
@ricko said: @JVC.... Where are those initials?? I enlarged the picture - twice - and still do not see them.... I see the scratches by the second star to the right of the date, but they do not look intentional or like initials. Cheers, RickO
There is little "CC" initials under the eagle's tail feathers...
@MFeld said:
In order to support your opinion, why not use an even larger image, so the coin will look worse?
Have you learned to grade from a photo?
Great news
The answer is...Size does not change a grade down.
Your "answer" is of course, correct. That's why I see comments from so many knowledgeable numismatists about coins looking worse, due to enlarged images.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
The SB coin was cracked out and then sent to CAC with a different grade and certification number although JA doesn’t care about the + designation. JA supposedly has a photographic memory so submitting with a different certification number usually doesn’t work.
The SB coin was cracked out and then sent to CAC with a different grade and certification number although JA doesn’t care about the + designation. JA supposedly has a photographic memory so submitting with a different certification number usually doesn’t work.
"JA supposedly has a photographic memory so submitting with a different certification number usually doesn’t work."
Hence, "we're all human after all"
"although JA doesn’t care about the + designation"
Yep.
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Found it!
No ... wait ... here!
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
You missed one!! someone carved a M into the left bow curl thing above the mint mark!!11!! /s
astrorat...
Pm me
Every once in a while you'll come across a coin that makes you think this one just doesn't look right without a green bean on the slab. I have 2 such coins. Each has been to CAC, each has failed twice. I've not asked why they failed. I trust their reviewing a million more coins than I as a legitimate reason not to question.
...and then you see something like this bean at MS66...
My Saint Set
This is just another example of why you can't take the CAC sticker at face value and you need to actually look at the coin and decide for yourself.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth and CAC first started many coins sold in a rush by collectors due to lack of sticker reappeared later on the market garnishing a bean.
In order to support your opinion, why not use an even larger image, so the coin will look worse?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
CAC is subjective - better than not having them at all but like any service, not perfect IMO - I had a coin in a PCGS 45 fail beaning, it was spectacular and hand selected by one of the most picky dealers out there for it quality, it was then crossed to NGC 50, failed beaning. I then broke it out, sent raw to PCGS, came back 53. Got the bean on that 53 and deserved it don't know why it did not in lesser grades...... I have at least 5 coins of my several hundred submissions to CAC that are identical as far as I can tell to those with beans that did not. I am going to send those back with requests for discussion cause I can't see it.
I bought 8 barbers from a dealer that hand selected them from a whole collection of barbers for their quality and originality (he rejected the other 80 or so), this dealer is one of the best graders in the buisness and frankly it would be hard pressed to find someone better - and 3 of these failed to get the bean.
I have seen beaned coins with intentional groups of scratches on them in a focused areas with beans. Then I have one where there is one scratch, only seen under a lens, and a slight removal (a few mm^2 area) of toning in that area of the field, that JA told me was an issue and he could not bean it. Go figure.
CAC is subjective - HST, to buy a coin at certain price levels without a bean is a huge risk in this market.
Best, SH
I bought 2 coins last year knowing they failed CAC review. I congratulated myself for my courage
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
There is little "CC" initials under the eagle's tail feathers...
Have you learned to grade from a photo?
Great news
The answer is...Size does not lower the grade of a coin.
(the above enlargement comes out to 5.4 X on my laptop)
My Saint Set
Your "answer" is of course, correct. That's why I see comments from so many knowledgeable numismatists about coins looking worse, due to enlarged images.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
My girlfriend looks better in the candle light.
That's now how I pick my coins.
My Saint Set
Point well taken...
It happens often enough.
No CAC Nov 2020:
https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/lots/view/3-OHT6X/1869-liberty-seated-silver-dollar-proof-66-cameo-pcgs
With CAC Feb 2021:
https://greatcollections.com/Coin/945811/1869-Seated-Liberty-Silver-Dollar-PCGS-Proof-66-CAMEO-CAC-Toned
We're all human after all.
The SB coin was cracked out and then sent to CAC with a different grade and certification number although JA doesn’t care about the + designation. JA supposedly has a photographic memory so submitting with a different certification number usually doesn’t work.
"JA supposedly has a photographic memory so submitting with a different certification number usually doesn’t work."
Hence, "we're all human after all"
"although JA doesn’t care about the + designation"
Yep.