Is this real 1792 quarter

PTVETTER

CalifornianKing

I'm gonna go with no. A quick google search shows they look differently. Plus very few were struck.

Boosibri

Odds are not in your favor

UltraHighRelief

Nope.

JesseKraft

No. Here's a real one:

1792 Pattern quarter dollar.
American Numismatic Society, 1980.66.2

PerryHall

Nope. Looks like a replica.

PTVETTER

Dose anyone know the weight in grams?

JesseKraft

The ANS specimen weighs 23.36 grams, but the weights of genuine pieces will likely differ greatly on each, given the different diameters and compositions of the very few that are known (I know of 4 in white metal, 2 in copper, and unique uniface impressions of the obverse and reverse in white metal).

Your piece doesn't have the same feel as a genuine example. Plus has some obvious die markings that distinguish it from an original, such as the missing period after LIBERTY.

Edited to add the numista link to the replica piece struck from the exact set of dies as your coin. Click here.

MrEureka

No chance. Here’s a real one.

jesbroken

Are all 1792 quarter dollars just patterns and none made for circulation?
Jim

RichieURich

Great coin, MrEureka! Thanks for posting it!

JesseKraft

@jesbroken said:
Are all 1792 quarter dollars just patterns and none made for circulation?
Jim

Correct.

TurtleCat

Almost looks like the Queen Elizabeth young portrait, lol. It’s actually a nice design. Wouldn’t have minded if it went into production.

CaptHenway

No

johnny9434

Bogus 😞

PTVETTER

@JesseKraft said:
The ANS specimen weighs 23.36 grams, but the weights of genuine pieces will likely differ greatly on each, given the different diameters and compositions of the very few that are known (I know of 4 in white metal, 2 in copper, and unique uniface impressions of the obverse and reverse in white metal).

Your piece doesn't have the same feel as a genuine example. Plus has some obvious die markings that distinguish it from an original, such as the missing period after LIBERTY.

Edited to add the numista link to the replica piece struck from the exact set of dies as your coin. Click here.

This was the best information
NO period after liberty.

MFeld

@PTVETTER said:

@JesseKraft said:
The ANS specimen weighs 23.36 grams, but the weights of genuine pieces will likely differ greatly on each, given the different diameters and compositions of the very few that are known (I know of 4 in white metal, 2 in copper, and unique uniface impressions of the obverse and reverse in white metal).

Your piece doesn't have the same feel as a genuine example. Plus has some obvious die markings that distinguish it from an original, such as the missing period after LIBERTY.

Edited to add the numista link to the replica piece struck from the exact set of dies as your coin. Click here.

This was the best information
NO period after liberty.

What if a replica displayed the period after LIBERTY? Instead of looking just there, I’d focus on the differences in texture and details of the surfaces and try to learn from that.

jclovescoins

Looks no bueno to me

LanceNewmanOCC

@MrEureka said:
No chance. Here’s a real one.

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any connection to the 1c s-48? looks to be about 94 stars. i thought they were just dots previously on the 92 pattern 25c.

i think it will help for us to see the scale of this fantastically beautiful pattern. also for authenticity and appreciation.

cmerlo1

Looks like a nice match for the 'Massachusetts Cent' I posted here a while back, though I don't think they're from the same set- yours is nicer quality.

PTVETTER

@MFeld said:

@PTVETTER said:

@JesseKraft said:
The ANS specimen weighs 23.36 grams, but the weights of genuine pieces will likely differ greatly on each, given the different diameters and compositions of the very few that are known (I know of 4 in white metal, 2 in copper, and unique uniface impressions of the obverse and reverse in white metal).

Your piece doesn't have the same feel as a genuine example. Plus has some obvious die markings that distinguish it from an original, such as the missing period after LIBERTY.

Edited to add the numista link to the replica piece struck from the exact set of dies as your coin. Click here.

This was the best information
NO period after liberty.

What if a replica displayed the period after LIBERTY? Instead of looking just there, I’d focus on the differences in texture and details of the surfaces and try to learn from that.

I can agree if one has good example to compare it with!
I see here some show example of one without a collar which is slightly different.

Walkerguy21D

Still an interesting study piece....where did you come across this, PTV?

PTVETTER

@Walkerguy21D said:
Still an interesting study piece....where did you come across this, PTV?

I got a call and he asked me to look at it.
I know that much about patterns let along on this rare!
NOT often but every once in a while something shows up out of the clear blue.
Remember the 1913 V nickel that was once said to be NO good and now it is in PCGS holder?

Walkerguy21D

@PTVETTER said:

@Walkerguy21D said:
Still an interesting study piece....where did you come across this, PTV?

I got a call and he asked me to look at it.
NOT often but every once in a while something shows up out of the clear blue.
Remember the 1913 V nickel that was once said to be NO good and now it is in PCGS holder?

Yep, you never know what’s out there! It doesn’t appear to be a junk replica like that Mass cent shown, so there may still be some value. I know that some of the early electro types of rare items created for collectors have demand.....but no idea about this particular piece.

MrEureka

@LanceNewmanOCC said:

@MrEureka said:
No chance. Here’s a real one.

.
any connection to the 1c s-48? looks to be about 94 stars. i thought they were just dots previously on the 92 pattern 25c.

i think it will help for us to see the scale of this fantastically beautiful pattern. also for authenticity and appreciation.

The known Wright Quarters have 87 stars on the reverse, but the connection seems likely. The reverse die of S-48 was probably made from an unfinished die for a Wright Quarter (which could easily have had a different number of stars) that was then repurposed for a large cent. Alternatively, the engraver (in 1793 or 1794) may have had the idea to use stars on the reverse of the large cent similar to those on the 1792 Quarters, applied them, and then thought better of it.

ricko

Interesting thread.... If I, somehow, came across such a coin, I would need a lot of help like this. Since this area was prospering during that time period, it would not be impossible to find such a coin here.. (some houses from the late 1600's)... Cheers, RickO

LanceNewmanOCC

@MrEureka said:
The known Wright Quarters have 87 stars on the reverse, but the connection seems likely. The reverse die of S-48 was probably struck from an unfinished die for a Wright Quarter (which could easily have had a different number of stars) that was then repurposed for a large cent. Alternatively, the engraver (in 1793 or 1794) may have had the idea to use stars on the reverse of the large cent similar to those on the 1792 Quarters, applied them, and then thought better of it.

thanks for the commentary.