Although to be fair, mine used to be in an anacs yellow slab
To be fair, my S V.D.B. is still in the PCGS slab I bought it in. No reason to crack it at this time. I put genuine cent blanks in the holes where I have the coin in a slab. I have slabs of Lincoln cents from all three major TPG's for 1909-1940.I'm exploring having some of the blanks engraved. 1909-S V.D.B. would have "The Holy Grail" engraved on its blank, for example. Only problem I have with the blanks is that they are not a snug fit in the album so when I get my album out to admire it my "The Holy Grail" inscripted piece's engraving would sometimes be sideways, sometimes upside down.
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
New(er) collector bought a raw key coin that is commonly faked, had some lingering doubts, and then came looking for validation after the fact. (To a site sponsored by a TPG company no less. ).
At some time in the future the op will have to get it authenticated or somwhow find a like indiviual that will buy it raw and if so will sell at discount of true worth.
By having it graded their is NO uncertainty of authencity and if not get a refund now.
@mr1874 said:
Only problem I have with the blanks is that they are not a snug fit in the album so when I get my album out to admire it my "The Holy Grail" inscripted piece's engraving would sometimes be sideways, sometimes upside down.
Undersized coins rotating in albums like Dansco's is a problem for series like large cents. I solved the problem by cutting a thin strip of clear somewhat-rigid plastic (like that of the window sliders), about as wide as the coin's thickness and as long as the circumference of the coin.
Coil the strip into a circle and slip it in the hole, effectively making the hole smaller. Lengthen or shorten the strip to adjust for different coin sizes.
Lance.
Upon inspecting my coin further, I don't notice any hairlines or unnatural looking brightness to the coin. What sort of problem do you think the coin has though?
There is slight weakness in the last two digits in the date. Perhaps that is an issue? Personally, I don't think so- yet others may find that problematic.
I posted the coin on a different forum and was told that it's a struck through grease issue but here's a similar coin being sold on ebay with a similar looking date to mine.
The dealer I go to is an antique dealer and a huge portion of the things he deals in are coins and bullion. Most of the stuff he gets in come in as raw and he doesn't bother getting them graded right after like other dealers I've met. This isn't his first time buying and selling a 1909 S VDB Lincoln Cent either just so you know.
The 09-S VDB featured in this thread is unquestionably genuine. There are plenty of reasons why these may be sold without first being slabbed.
Quintessentially perfect for the grade (FN15- VF20) I think.
Weakness of "09" and along the rim near the date is most likely from die erosion. It is sometimes seen on 1909-S V.D.B.'s from the 's' far low and far right die. Harsche shows pictures of all six obverse dies used for 1909-S cents and discusses the die erosion of the 's' far low and far right die on page 13 of his book, Detecting Altered Coins. My 1909-S V.D.B. has this feature, further proof of its authenticity.
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
That ebay coin is ugly. Yours is much better looking.
The ebay coin is a little overpriced in my opinion but that's true of most coins on ebay. Ugly? Hardly. That coin is a warrior, a woody warrior to be more precise.
Iffen I found that coin in a roll back in the day and you called my S V.D.B. find ugly you wouldn't be my friend anymore. It's like "Yeah? Where's yours?" All real 1909-S V.D.B.'s are to be treasured.
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder mr1874. That's why coin grading is largely subjective. You get a coin graded then crack it out and send it back it in you're likely to get a different grade.
@joej132 said:
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder mr1874. That's why coin grading is largely subjective. You get a coin graded then crack it out and send it back it in you're likely to get a different grade.
The thing with grading is it comes with an authentication guarantee. You don't want to get it graded the first time. Why would you crack it out and send it in again!
If I am correct you came here looking for opinions on weather the coin is original and not a fake. No one on these boards can guarantee that from photos on a screen. Seems like you want something for free you can only get buy paying a grading company to do.
When people suggest you have it authenticated buy a professional you accuse them of trying to make you change your mind about coin grading. That is just ridiculous. Then you proceed to call names and denigrate people who were only trying to help! I don't think they could care less about whether or not you like having coins graded.
I hate to say it but you come of as quite the arrogant D-bag. Okay maybe I don't hate to say it.
If all wheat cents ever made were put into a randomly mixed giant pile and one's task is to find a single 1909 S V.D.B. for his or her collection, one would need to search over 53,000 cents, or over ten 5000 coin bags,on average, to find that single example of a 1909-S V.D.B.
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
@winesteven"I predict we hit 125 comments before the end of the weekend."
I got post 125! LOL
@joej132"I hope to buy a 1916 D dime soon. Raw of course."
That is not a good idea. There are much better counterfeits & alterations of genuine coins on the 16 D's. I saw one at a show about a year ago that I was able to take the time to look at it in hand and could not see the problem. The coin came back from PCGS as not genuine in a body bag. The dealer that sent it in has a very good eye and has been in business for many years. If you were to post the coin I mentioned here on the forum I doubt anyone would catch it as a counterfeit from just photos. I'm not going to say I am an expert but I am better than a lot of collectors at detecting counterfeits. I would be willing to bet there are as many counterfeits on the market as genuine coins. 50/50 is not good odds!
I understand your desire for raw coins and you need to enjoy your collection the way you want.
Buy a graded one and crack it out and enjoy it raw.
You're probably right on that one. One of the dealers in my area told me that he personally knew a guy who would make fake 1916 D dimes from Philadelphia dimes and add a D mint mark to the coins that he would remove from a later year Denver dime.
One of the dealers in my area told me that he personally knew a guy who would make fake 1916 D dimes from Philadelphia dimes and add a D mint mark to the coins that he would remove from a later year Denver dime.
There's an archived thread here showing an exceptionally well-done counterfeit 1916-D dime that was manufactured using the method described above. Continue to learn here and check it out.
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
Just one more comment here and then i'm off and runnin'.
for joej132:
There's folks here that really do know what they're talking about and I'm not talking about myself when I say that. I've learned a lot here from others just by paying attention to what they are saying.
Buying coins in slabs already graded AND AUTHENTICATED is always a good way to go, particularly if the coin is kind of expensive. I don't know about you but $500 or more spent for a luxury item like a collectible coin is represents a good chunk of change to me. Even reputable and knowledgeable dealers can be fooled by counterfeiter low lifes.
Be an attentive student here but first and foremost be respectful. You'll catch a lot more flies with honey than you will with vinegar.
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
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Although to be fair, mine used to be in an anacs yellow slab
To be fair, my S V.D.B. is still in the PCGS slab I bought it in. No reason to crack it at this time. I put genuine cent blanks in the holes where I have the coin in a slab. I have slabs of Lincoln cents from all three major TPG's for 1909-1940.I'm exploring having some of the blanks engraved. 1909-S V.D.B. would have "The Holy Grail" engraved on its blank, for example. Only problem I have with the blanks is that they are not a snug fit in the album so when I get my album out to admire it my "The Holy Grail" inscripted piece's engraving would sometimes be sideways, sometimes upside down.
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
OP dodged a bullet.
New(er) collector bought a raw key coin that is commonly faked, had some lingering doubts, and then came looking for validation after the fact. (To a site sponsored by a TPG company no less.
).
Very happy that it worked out .....this time.
At some time in the future the op will have to get it authenticated or somwhow find a like indiviual that will buy it raw and if so will sell at discount of true worth.
By having it graded their is NO uncertainty of authencity and if not get a refund now.
Undersized coins rotating in albums like Dansco's is a problem for series like large cents. I solved the problem by cutting a thin strip of clear somewhat-rigid plastic (like that of the window sliders), about as wide as the coin's thickness and as long as the circumference of the coin.
Coil the strip into a circle and slip it in the hole, effectively making the hole smaller. Lengthen or shorten the strip to adjust for different coin sizes.
Lance.
When you say problem coin, do you mean like some sort of damage or cleaning?
That's exactly what he is saying.
My own opinion is that if a valuable coin is not in a slab there is usually a reason.
Upon inspecting my coin further, I don't notice any hairlines or unnatural looking brightness to the coin. What sort of problem do you think the coin has though?
What a beautiful Lincoln cent! Always been my dream coin. Congratulations jeoj132 for your acquisition.
Could you please point them out on the coin images I provided so you can better explain the supposed issue?
There is slight weakness in the last two digits in the date. Perhaps that is an issue? Personally, I don't think so- yet others may find that problematic.
Thanks abcde12345, the dealer put the coin on his Instagram and I immediately told him I'd buy so no one else would have it.
I posted the coin on a different forum and was told that it's a struck through grease issue but here's a similar coin being sold on ebay with a similar looking date to mine.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-S-VDB-1C-Lincoln-Wheat-Cent-PCGS-VG-10-Very-Good-to-Fine-Key-Date-Original/133485571942?hash=item1f145c2f66:g:1SgAAOSwVIxfK0LM
That ebay coin is ugly. Yours is much better looking.
Your coin might well be 100% legit, but I am curious if your dealer had a lot of raw coins or were they mostly slabbed?
The dealer I go to is an antique dealer and a huge portion of the things he deals in are coins and bullion. Most of the stuff he gets in come in as raw and he doesn't bother getting them graded right after like other dealers I've met. This isn't his first time buying and selling a 1909 S VDB Lincoln Cent either just so you know.
The 09-S VDB featured in this thread is unquestionably genuine. There are plenty of reasons why these may be sold without first being slabbed.
Quintessentially perfect for the grade (FN15- VF20) I think.
Weakness of "09" and along the rim near the date is most likely from die erosion. It is sometimes seen on 1909-S V.D.B.'s from the 's' far low and far right die. Harsche shows pictures of all six obverse dies used for 1909-S cents and discusses the die erosion of the 's' far low and far right die on page 13 of his book, Detecting Altered Coins. My 1909-S V.D.B. has this feature, further proof of its authenticity.
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
That ebay coin is ugly. Yours is much better looking.
The ebay coin is a little overpriced in my opinion but that's true of most coins on ebay. Ugly? Hardly. That coin is a warrior, a woody warrior to be more precise.
Iffen I found that coin in a roll back in the day and you called my S V.D.B. find ugly you wouldn't be my friend anymore. It's like "Yeah? Where's yours?" All real 1909-S V.D.B.'s are to be treasured.
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder mr1874. That's why coin grading is largely subjective. You get a coin graded then crack it out and send it back it in you're likely to get a different grade.
That's the part of coin grading that really rubs me the wrong way.
Anyways, I got my answer. I'm happy now. I hope to buy a 1916 D dime soon. Raw of course.
The thing with grading is it comes with an authentication guarantee. You don't want to get it graded the first time. Why would you crack it out and send it in again!
If I am correct you came here looking for opinions on weather the coin is original and not a fake. No one on these boards can guarantee that from photos on a screen. Seems like you want something for free you can only get buy paying a grading company to do.
When people suggest you have it authenticated buy a professional you accuse them of trying to make you change your mind about coin grading. That is just ridiculous. Then you proceed to call names and denigrate people who were only trying to help! I don't think they could care less about whether or not you like having coins graded.
I hate to say it but you come of as quite the arrogant D-bag. Okay maybe I don't hate to say it.
I hope you prove me wrong.
If all wheat cents ever made were put into a randomly mixed giant pile and one's task is to find a single 1909 S V.D.B. for his or her collection, one would need to search over 53,000 cents, or over ten 5000 coin bags,on average, to find that single example of a 1909-S V.D.B.
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
That’s a whole lotta cents mr1874. I’d rather spend the big money than do that. Which what I did.
@winesteven "I predict we hit 125 comments before the end of the weekend."
I got post 125! LOL
@joej132 "I hope to buy a 1916 D dime soon. Raw of course."
That is not a good idea. There are much better counterfeits & alterations of genuine coins on the 16 D's. I saw one at a show about a year ago that I was able to take the time to look at it in hand and could not see the problem. The coin came back from PCGS as not genuine in a body bag. The dealer that sent it in has a very good eye and has been in business for many years. If you were to post the coin I mentioned here on the forum I doubt anyone would catch it as a counterfeit from just photos. I'm not going to say I am an expert but I am better than a lot of collectors at detecting counterfeits. I would be willing to bet there are as many counterfeits on the market as genuine coins. 50/50 is not good odds!
I understand your desire for raw coins and you need to enjoy your collection the way you want.
Buy a graded one and crack it out and enjoy it raw.
Just my 2 cents
You're probably right on that one. One of the dealers in my area told me that he personally knew a guy who would make fake 1916 D dimes from Philadelphia dimes and add a D mint mark to the coins that he would remove from a later year Denver dime.
One of the dealers in my area told me that he personally knew a guy who would make fake 1916 D dimes from Philadelphia dimes and add a D mint mark to the coins that he would remove from a later year Denver dime.
There's an archived thread here showing an exceptionally well-done counterfeit 1916-D dime that was manufactured using the method described above. Continue to learn here and check it out.
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
Just one more comment here and then i'm off and runnin'.
for joej132:
There's folks here that really do know what they're talking about and I'm not talking about myself when I say that. I've learned a lot here from others just by paying attention to what they are saying.
Buying coins in slabs already graded AND AUTHENTICATED is always a good way to go, particularly if the coin is kind of expensive. I don't know about you but $500 or more spent for a luxury item like a collectible coin is represents a good chunk of change to me. Even reputable and knowledgeable dealers can be fooled by counterfeiter low lifes.
Be an attentive student here but first and foremost be respectful. You'll catch a lot more flies with honey than you will with vinegar.
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein