@Klif50 said:
Before the days of grading and authentication you just had to rely on your own knowledge and how much faith you put in the seller. In 1974 I bought a VG 1916-D dime from a dealer I had worked with quite a bit. In 1976 I decided to sell it and upgrade. I took it back to the same seller, he whipped out his loupe and then announced "I'm not sure it is real". I said, "it had better be since I bought it from you and here's my receipt" He shut up, paid me a fair price and off I went. If was good when he sold it to me, it was good when I sold it back.
I had a similar experience with a $3 gold coin in the early 1980s!
Anyways, thank you to everyone who contributed to authenticating my coin unlike some people on this forum who did nothing but spout useless garbage you were all very helpful.
I can hardly wait! When you come on like a food critic that doesn’t like food your bound to get spout on. By the way your coin still isn’t authenticated🥺 But as long as your happy and the dealer you trust but don’t really trust is happy then life is good.
If you gently place it on a train track (don't scratch it) and after the locomotive (preferably pulling many cars) passes by the core is solid copper it is indeed genuine.
raw coins nowadays are a gamble not many want to take as stated there are fakes out there good ones at that, graded coins gives the buyer and seller peace of mind that the coin is not a fake
money is made and lost in the hobby, grading companies don't have the pull much it's the big spending collectors that make or break the coin market
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Looks good to me, from the pics at least. I like your attitude towards the coins as well. Strange to see some very knowledgeable people here so unsure of themselves now that all their coins are slabbed, as if they’ve never seen a slabbed counterfeit. Those get posted to the board with some frequency.
Have graders seen more coins, good and bad, than you? Sure. Do they take far less time looking at each of those coins? For sure. At some point those two things tend to cancel out.
Nothing has changed. Learn your series as deeply as you can, because that is the only real protection. And enjoy the coins! Otherwise you might as well just collect pictures.
another i think i know type person got to love them you try and help and they don't want to hear the truth it's not what they want to hear as it doesn't fit into their ideas
run into that a lot in the real world and trust me they are pains
Thank you Scubafuel for your input. I feel like many have just become slaves to the grading companies and are really chocked up over that rather than actually discussing my coin. It's ridiculous in my opinion. I'm not offended at all by the dumb comments being put here. They're just letters on a computer screen when you sum it all up.
@joej132 said:
Hi, this is my first post. I recently bought myself the 1909 S VDB Lincoln Cent from a reputable dealer. The dealer knows what he's doing as he has been dealing in coins for many years. I just want any of you coin experts opinions on the coin. I was curious as to why the "09" in 1909 is weak and which die pair was used for this coin as I know there were four used. If any of you have doubts to its authenticity, please let me know. Thanks.
joel, I see that you asked for " expert opinions on the coin " " curious on the weak 09 " " die pair used " and " doubts on authenticity " THAT'S IT. Nowhere did you ask " should I have bought a graded coin ? " or " should I have this graded ? "
If people want to post their opinions on the last two questions without being asked, and their butthurt because that's not what you asked, Oh well, let them be butthurt. Nice coin. Authentic ? Dunno. I'd have already put it in my album. And FYI, I have over 1400 graded coins.
Thank you Tom for bringing some sense into this discussion. I posted this coin on a completely different forum and absolutely no one acted this ridiculous. It's so stupid the way people have acted here. The people who love their graded coins can still continue to enjoy them. I won't go looking for them stopping them from grading their coins. Why do they have to get so hung over about how i do my collecting? In no way am I going to change for anyone on this site and neither should they change for me for what I think.
@joej132 said:
Everyone is so butt hurt here sheesh.
Not me. I think its comical sometimes but with all of the differing opinions you certainly get options.
I'm only 2 to 3 years in as well and I have realized that there are two main types of collectors and then variances of each make up the rest of us.
You would fit under type "A" the collector that truly loves his pieces and enjoys them in hand especially when passed around a camp fire while telling stories and not too concerned about actual monetary value. After all its only money.
"B" is that guy Hansen while he may enjoy campfires and stories too he is always still thinking in terms of value based on grades. Because after all it is money.
The price jump between one point is too critical for me and where I'm at in the game.
Nice coin
Thanks CoinscratchFever, I do very much love my coins and not the plastic or the number grade that other people seem to enjoy more than the actual coin itself. At my job, I always look through change to find new coins to add to my collection. I plan to collect for a very long time.
OP doesn't own this thread. All are free to comment. No reason for his disrespectful attitude towards people whose opinions he doesn't like.
He criticized what he called "useless garbage" and "dumb comments". I don't see anyone using those sorts of characterizations to describe him or his ideas. He should show the other forum members the same courtesy.
@joej132 said:
I just wanted people to look at it and authenticate it. Most have concluded that it’s real and that’s all I needed.
I understand many of the people here all love your graded coins and that’s completely fine. I don’t and that’s not going to change. Please respect that.
You're asking for an anonymous consensus on authentication based on some pictures. If you want to be sure, send it to the professionals who will see it in hand. When you get it back free it from the slab. Otherwise every time you look at it there will be a smidgen of doubt in the back of your mind.
Submission is not just for a numerical grade and a protective holder. It is also for authentication.
The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong
@joej132 In the interests of total disclosure, I buy only slabbed coins. I did so initially because when I returned to collecting I 1) was not able to grade to current standards, 2) I did not trust myself to determine if a coin was real or not, and 3) I had small children and I wanted to be able to share my coins with them. Reasons 3 have all grown up but reasons 1 and 2 still remain. That said, I am in total agreement with you that I do not collect for reasons of maximizing profit. I collect because I really enjoy my coins, looking at them, learning about them, striving to complete sets, etc. So, when I read comments about how slabbing is essential to profit from your coins I recognize the essential truth however since I am not interested in this, I simply agree with the comments but move on. You can do the same: Realize that slabbing is essential if you plan to resell your coins at the highest price but keep on collecting as you want to collect. And let those who want to buy and sell coins for a profit do so. Consequently, my advice is to hang around. Read the threads that interest you and ignore those that do not. Plus don't worry if you get advice that you think is unrelated to your goals. Just let it go and keep on doing what you think is best.
About 15 years ago I bought coins from an estate heir who was also a friend. Circulated silver and lots of mail order junk. But two coins were interesting: a raw S-VDB and a '14-D Lincoln.
The '14-D was clearly fake (added mintmark). But I submitted it and the S-VDB for grading to be sure there were no questions about my judgment.
The '14-D was rejected outright but PCGS declared the S-VDB "No decision. Refund". Huh. So I sent it to NGC where it was judged "Authenticity Unverifiable". I paid my friend roughly half its value (AU-ish, were it genuine), and set it aside. Maybe not so smart but I had a good feeling about it.
Years later along comes our friend Skip from ICG (aka @Insider2), an experienced grader who was maybe a little too abrasive here and ultimately banned. He sees good images of it on another forum and asks that I submit it to him at ICG.
Insider2 asserts he has accumulated documentation over the years on many dozens of S-VDBs -- worn, minted poorly, die-eroded, etc. He likes it, takes it to friends at nearby NGC for consultation, and next thing I know ICG returns it encapsulated as AU53.
The thing is, before Skip and ICG slabbed it I had it in a Dansco. Having finally gotten it graded/slabbed I kept it holdered.
A few years ago I sold the Dansco and ICG S-VDB to a prominent small cent dealer who examined it and promptly cracked it to fill the lone hole, sure it was genuine. The folder was then quickly sold to a buyer eager for a complete Dansco set of wheaties and Memorials, business strike and modern proof.
Sorry for the length. But this is a story about an S-VDB that could have played out many ways. In the end the coin was judged worth more raw, in a set, than slabbed. Go figure.
Lance.
Have the coin certified by PCGS and you will finally have your answer! I don't buy raw coins due to the many GOOD FAKES in the market! Anyhow, enjoy the coin and I hope you fare well on it
Another thing is that old cleaning or damage is often missed by newer and many older collectors. Another thing that a good TPG scrutinize for. Anyone paying real money for rare or key coins needs to protect their investment.
By the way, many people are against buying the slab, i.e. "buy the coin, not the holder", but they do not necessarily condemn third party grading.
@JBK said:
OP doesn't own this thread. All are free to comment. No reason for his disrespectful attitude towards people whose opinions he doesn't like.
He criticized what he called "useless garbage" and "dumb comments". I don't see anyone using those sorts of characterizations to describe him or his ideas. He should show the other forum members the same courtesy.
+1. I think "free" is the operative word here. OP comes off as the stereotypical entitled millenial, bouncing into a forum and asking for free expertise from a bunch of people he doesn't know and has never interacted with. Then is surprised when people get butt hurt by his attitude. At least he didn't say "OK, boomer..."
I have to laugh. This type of a thread would normally have had maybe a dozen or so comments sharing expertise on authenticity, perhaps a tip or two, the OP would have been satisfied, and the post would have found it's place down to page 3 or so by now. But we now have 79 comments, and the majority of those are due only to the attitude of the poster. Not that he won't buy slabbed coins or have this coin submitted to a TPG. That's perfectly fine, but as some might think, a sense of close-mindedness and negative attitude. I predict we hit 125 comments before the end of the weekend. Enjoy the entertainment!
A day without fine wine and working on your coin collection is like a day without sunshine!!!
Also, don’t make assumptions about me. I never said you’re an entitled person or anything like that. If people want to help and look at the coin great if not so be it. At this point a lot of the people on this thread are mad because I don’t want the coin graded and others are sharing interesting stories and I enjoy reading them. It’s a love/hate relationship with this forum now.
Hey Joe, none of the other members are mad or “butthurt” (this is a term decent people should decide not to use anymore). Can we stop with that stuff? Nobody has skin in the game on this other than you. Fine to discuss slabbed vs raw but don’t read emotions into a paragraph or two typed into the computer.
Lance, why would neither service make a determination do you think? Did it not match a known die pair? Do you think sending along the bad 1914 colored their judgement?
At this point, we’re not going to talk about my coin and I’m fine with that. Some of these stories people have shared from long ago are pretty cool. Like that guy who bought 1916 D dime back in the 70s. I wonder how much a coin like that was worth back then.
@joej132 said:
At this point, we’re not going to talk about my coin and I’m fine with that. Some of these stories people have shared from long ago are pretty cool. Like that guy who bought 1916 D dime back in the 70s. I wonder how much a coin like that was worth back then.
Definitely a cool story bro I don't know what it would have been worth then, but if you're not opposed to taking some free info from a grading company website, you can see what it was worth in VG8 condition as far back as 2006 here: https://pcgs.com/pricehistory#/?=4906-8
For some coins/grades they do have pricing history going back to the 70s. For free.
@scubafuel said:
Lance, why would neither service make a determination do you think? Did it not match a known die pair? Do you think sending along the bad 1914 colored their judgement?
Good questions. The S-VDB had a proper MM, in the correct place (though a little worn), and the V.D.B. checked out. But the coin's color was somewhat darker around and below the MM, to the rim. It raised suspicion, I guess.
Did the bogus 14-D influence PCGS? Possibly. But NGC only saw the S-VDB and had no knowledge of PCGS's decision.
I've never seen another "No Decision. Refund." by PCGS. It was fair to return my payment. Sadly, NGC didn't feel the same way. And funny that ICG graded it for free.
Lance.
You continue to doubt the authenticity until you send it to the professionals who can view it in hand and give you a guarantee that it is authentic, assuming it is.
The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong
I've heard you guys say that plenty of times already. Just give it a rest and lets do something else. I'm sure there are other people who have asked for help like this and I'm sure they've been given good answers and I'm not saying yours is a bad one just one I won't be doing. Unless one of you put a gun to my head, I won't send it in to get slabbed.
I understand there's the risk of it being fake, but many knowledgeable people have taken a look at it already and have reaffirmed that it is real. Why hasn't a single one of you pointed out a single thing about the coin that would have you believe that it isn't genuine? This thread has been up for at least two days now and no one has pointed out anything. Like I said at the very beginning "If you have any doubts to its authenticity please let me know." Please stop saying to get it graded because I never asked that.
@joej132 said:
I understand there's the risk of it being fake, but many knowledgeable people have taken a look at it already and have reaffirmed that it is real. Why hasn't a single one of you pointed out a single thing about the coin that would have you believe that it isn't genuine? This thread has been up for at least two days now and no one has pointed out anything. Like I said at the very beginning "If you have any doubts to its authenticity please let me know." Please stop saying to get it graded because I never asked that.
Curiously, what do you hope to achieve by continuing to post to the thread, at this point?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@joej132 i think you got the info you desired plus some unwelcome and unsolicited advice. So what now, you ask? Start a new thread on a different topic! 🙃
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You are not going to find someone here who will, based on your pictures, say without a doubt that the coin is authentic. For that you will have to. . . . . . . drum roll. . . . . . submit the coin for grading.
The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong
@derryb said:
You are not going to find someone here who will, based on your pictures, say without a doubt that the coin is authentic. For that you will have to. . . . . . . drum roll. . . . . . submit the coin for grading.
Based on the pictures posted, without a doubt, the coin is authentic.
😉
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@derryb said:
You are not going to find someone here who will, based on your pictures, say without a doubt that the coin is authentic. For that you will have to. . . . . . . drum roll. . . . . . submit the coin for grading.
Based on the pictures posted, without a doubt, the coin is authentic.
😉
and there you have it, case solved.
The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong
@joej132 said:
Anyways, thank you to everyone who contributed to authenticating my coin unlike some people on this forum who did nothing but spout useless garbage you were all very helpful.
I will be back with more questions soon.
I can’t wait 😊
The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
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I had a similar experience with a $3 gold coin in the early 1980s!
This conversation as a whole
I’ve been collecting about two years now. I’m sure most of you guys are middle aged while I’m still in my early twenties.
i want a 1909 penny v.d.b or not idc i dont have one
Anyways, thank you to everyone who contributed to authenticating my coin unlike some people on this forum who did nothing but spout useless garbage you were all very helpful.
I will be back with more questions soon.
I can hardly wait! When you come on like a food critic that doesn’t like food your bound to get spout on. By the way your coin still isn’t authenticated🥺 But as long as your happy and the dealer you trust but don’t really trust is happy then life is good.
If you gently place it on a train track (don't scratch it) and after the locomotive (preferably pulling many cars) passes by the core is solid copper it is indeed genuine.
raw coins nowadays are a gamble not many want to take as stated there are fakes out there good ones at that, graded coins gives the buyer and seller peace of mind that the coin is not a fake
money is made and lost in the hobby, grading companies don't have the pull much it's the big spending collectors that make or break the coin market
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/KCJYQg9x5sPJiCBc9
Everyone is so butt hurt here sheesh.
Genuine.
Looks good to me, from the pics at least. I like your attitude towards the coins as well. Strange to see some very knowledgeable people here so unsure of themselves now that all their coins are slabbed, as if they’ve never seen a slabbed counterfeit. Those get posted to the board with some frequency.
Have graders seen more coins, good and bad, than you? Sure. Do they take far less time looking at each of those coins? For sure. At some point those two things tend to cancel out.
Nothing has changed. Learn your series as deeply as you can, because that is the only real protection. And enjoy the coins! Otherwise you might as well just collect pictures.
another i think i know type person got to love them you try and help and they don't want to hear the truth it's not what they want to hear as it doesn't fit into their ideas
run into that a lot in the real world and trust me they are pains
COINS FOR SALE, IN LINK BELOW
https://photos.app.goo.gl/KCJYQg9x5sPJiCBc9
Thank you Scubafuel for your input. I feel like many have just become slaves to the grading companies and are really chocked up over that rather than actually discussing my coin. It's ridiculous in my opinion. I'm not offended at all by the dumb comments being put here. They're just letters on a computer screen when you sum it all up.
joel, I see that you asked for " expert opinions on the coin " " curious on the weak 09 " " die pair used " and " doubts on authenticity " THAT'S IT. Nowhere did you ask " should I have bought a graded coin ? " or " should I have this graded ? "
If people want to post their opinions on the last two questions without being asked, and their butthurt because that's not what you asked, Oh well, let them be butthurt. Nice coin. Authentic ? Dunno. I'd have already put it in my album. And FYI, I have over 1400 graded coins.
Thank you Tom for bringing some sense into this discussion. I posted this coin on a completely different forum and absolutely no one acted this ridiculous. It's so stupid the way people have acted here. The people who love their graded coins can still continue to enjoy them. I won't go looking for them stopping them from grading their coins. Why do they have to get so hung over about how i do my collecting? In no way am I going to change for anyone on this site and neither should they change for me for what I think.
Not me. I think its comical sometimes but with all of the differing opinions you certainly get options.
I'm only 2 to 3 years in as well and I have realized that there are two main types of collectors and then variances of each make up the rest of us.
You would fit under type "A" the collector that truly loves his pieces and enjoys them in hand especially when passed around a camp fire while telling stories and not too concerned about actual monetary value. After all its only money.
"B" is that guy Hansen while he may enjoy campfires and stories too he is always still thinking in terms of value based on grades. Because after all it is money.
The price jump between one point is too critical for me and where I'm at in the game.
Nice coin
Thanks CoinscratchFever, I do very much love my coins and not the plastic or the number grade that other people seem to enjoy more than the actual coin itself. At my job, I always look through change to find new coins to add to my collection. I plan to collect for a very long time.
OP doesn't own this thread. All are free to comment. No reason for his disrespectful attitude towards people whose opinions he doesn't like.
He criticized what he called "useless garbage" and "dumb comments". I don't see anyone using those sorts of characterizations to describe him or his ideas. He should show the other forum members the same courtesy.
The same towards me as well thank you.
You're asking for an anonymous consensus on authentication based on some pictures. If you want to be sure, send it to the professionals who will see it in hand. When you get it back free it from the slab. Otherwise every time you look at it there will be a smidgen of doubt in the back of your mind.
Submission is not just for a numerical grade and a protective holder. It is also for authentication.
The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong
@joej132 In the interests of total disclosure, I buy only slabbed coins. I did so initially because when I returned to collecting I 1) was not able to grade to current standards, 2) I did not trust myself to determine if a coin was real or not, and 3) I had small children and I wanted to be able to share my coins with them. Reasons 3 have all grown up but reasons 1 and 2 still remain. That said, I am in total agreement with you that I do not collect for reasons of maximizing profit. I collect because I really enjoy my coins, looking at them, learning about them, striving to complete sets, etc. So, when I read comments about how slabbing is essential to profit from your coins I recognize the essential truth however since I am not interested in this, I simply agree with the comments but move on. You can do the same: Realize that slabbing is essential if you plan to resell your coins at the highest price but keep on collecting as you want to collect. And let those who want to buy and sell coins for a profit do so. Consequently, my advice is to hang around. Read the threads that interest you and ignore those that do not. Plus don't worry if you get advice that you think is unrelated to your goals. Just let it go and keep on doing what you think is best.
That sounds like sound advice mark. Unlike other comments on this thread.
Here's a fun story OP might enjoy.
About 15 years ago I bought coins from an estate heir who was also a friend. Circulated silver and lots of mail order junk. But two coins were interesting: a raw S-VDB and a '14-D Lincoln.
The '14-D was clearly fake (added mintmark). But I submitted it and the S-VDB for grading to be sure there were no questions about my judgment.
The '14-D was rejected outright but PCGS declared the S-VDB "No decision. Refund". Huh. So I sent it to NGC where it was judged "Authenticity Unverifiable". I paid my friend roughly half its value (AU-ish, were it genuine), and set it aside. Maybe not so smart but I had a good feeling about it.
Years later along comes our friend Skip from ICG (aka @Insider2), an experienced grader who was maybe a little too abrasive here and ultimately banned. He sees good images of it on another forum and asks that I submit it to him at ICG.
Insider2 asserts he has accumulated documentation over the years on many dozens of S-VDBs -- worn, minted poorly, die-eroded, etc. He likes it, takes it to friends at nearby NGC for consultation, and next thing I know ICG returns it encapsulated as AU53.
The thing is, before Skip and ICG slabbed it I had it in a Dansco. Having finally gotten it graded/slabbed I kept it holdered.
A few years ago I sold the Dansco and ICG S-VDB to a prominent small cent dealer who examined it and promptly cracked it to fill the lone hole, sure it was genuine. The folder was then quickly sold to a buyer eager for a complete Dansco set of wheaties and Memorials, business strike and modern proof.
Sorry for the length. But this is a story about an S-VDB that could have played out many ways. In the end the coin was judged worth more raw, in a set, than slabbed. Go figure.
Lance.
Have the coin certified by PCGS and you will finally have your answer! I don't buy raw coins due to the many GOOD FAKES in the market! Anyhow, enjoy the coin and I hope you fare well on it
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Another thing is that old cleaning or damage is often missed by newer and many older collectors. Another thing that a good TPG scrutinize for. Anyone paying real money for rare or key coins needs to protect their investment.
By the way, many people are against buying the slab, i.e. "buy the coin, not the holder", but they do not necessarily condemn third party grading.
+1. I think "free" is the operative word here. OP comes off as the stereotypical entitled millenial, bouncing into a forum and asking for free expertise from a bunch of people he doesn't know and has never interacted with. Then is surprised when people get butt hurt by his attitude. At least he didn't say "OK, boomer..."
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Ok boomer
Also, very interesting story Lance. Thanks for sharing.
I have to laugh. This type of a thread would normally have had maybe a dozen or so comments sharing expertise on authenticity, perhaps a tip or two, the OP would have been satisfied, and the post would have found it's place down to page 3 or so by now. But we now have 79 comments, and the majority of those are due only to the attitude of the poster. Not that he won't buy slabbed coins or have this coin submitted to a TPG. That's perfectly fine, but as some might think, a sense of close-mindedness and negative attitude. I predict we hit 125 comments before the end of the weekend. Enjoy the entertainment!
My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
Also, don’t make assumptions about me. I never said you’re an entitled person or anything like that. If people want to help and look at the coin great if not so be it. At this point a lot of the people on this thread are mad because I don’t want the coin graded and others are sharing interesting stories and I enjoy reading them. It’s a love/hate relationship with this forum now.
Hey Joe, none of the other members are mad or “butthurt” (this is a term decent people should decide not to use anymore). Can we stop with that stuff? Nobody has skin in the game on this other than you. Fine to discuss slabbed vs raw but don’t read emotions into a paragraph or two typed into the computer.
Lance, why would neither service make a determination do you think? Did it not match a known die pair? Do you think sending along the bad 1914 colored their judgement?
Can’t a guy have a little fun?
At this point, we’re not going to talk about my coin and I’m fine with that. Some of these stories people have shared from long ago are pretty cool. Like that guy who bought 1916 D dime back in the 70s. I wonder how much a coin like that was worth back then.
Definitely a cool story bro
I don't know what it would have been worth then, but if you're not opposed to taking some free info from a grading company website, you can see what it was worth in VG8 condition as far back as 2006 here:
https://pcgs.com/pricehistory#/?=4906-8
For some coins/grades they do have pricing history going back to the 70s. For free.
Successful BST transactions with: Cameonut, Rob41281
Still pretty expensive back then as it is today unsurprisingly.
Good questions. The S-VDB had a proper MM, in the correct place (though a little worn), and the V.D.B. checked out. But the coin's color was somewhat darker around and below the MM, to the rim. It raised suspicion, I guess.
Did the bogus 14-D influence PCGS? Possibly. But NGC only saw the S-VDB and had no knowledge of PCGS's decision.
I've never seen another "No Decision. Refund." by PCGS. It was fair to return my payment. Sadly, NGC didn't feel the same way. And funny that ICG graded it for free.
Lance.
So... what's the plan now guys?
You continue to doubt the authenticity until you send it to the professionals who can view it in hand and give you a guarantee that it is authentic, assuming it is.
The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong
I've heard you guys say that plenty of times already. Just give it a rest and lets do something else. I'm sure there are other people who have asked for help like this and I'm sure they've been given good answers and I'm not saying yours is a bad one just one I won't be doing. Unless one of you put a gun to my head, I won't send it in to get slabbed.
I understand there's the risk of it being fake, but many knowledgeable people have taken a look at it already and have reaffirmed that it is real. Why hasn't a single one of you pointed out a single thing about the coin that would have you believe that it isn't genuine? This thread has been up for at least two days now and no one has pointed out anything. Like I said at the very beginning "If you have any doubts to its authenticity please let me know." Please stop saying to get it graded because I never asked that.
Curiously, what do you hope to achieve by continuing to post to the thread, at this point?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I'm out guys, see ya.
@joej132 i think you got the info you desired plus some unwelcome and unsolicited advice. So what now, you ask? Start a new thread on a different topic! 🙃
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
Are you gonna get those slabbed? It's not clear what your stance is on the matter.
"To Be Esteemed Be Useful" - 1792 Birch Cent --- "I personally think we developed language because of our deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin
You are not going to find someone here who will, based on your pictures, say without a doubt that the coin is authentic. For that you will have to. . . . . . . drum roll. . . . . . submit the coin for grading.
The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong
Based on the pictures posted, without a doubt, the coin is authentic.
😉
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
and there you have it, case solved.
The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong
I can’t wait 😊
It's authentic............I said it before. I'll say it again.
I agree with all my esteemed roomies about that.
This "mess" has gone on too long.
Pete