@JesseKraft said:
Don't forget the unique 1873-CC No Arrows dime, found in a dealer's junk box in 1978.
Looks like a mixup with the story on the unique 1870-S Half Dime which I'm sure you already know about. It can be easy get mixed up with those two little similar sized unique coins. I did not catch it either at first glance.
Eliasberg acquired the unique 1873-CC No Arrows dime as the last coin he needed at the time in 1950.
Unless I'm forgetting some other discovery, the 1870-S Half Dime was the only date and mint combination now known to exist (not including varieties) that Eliasberg never owned as it was not discovered until after his death.
There is some good history and stories about the 1870-S and the 1873-CC No Arrows dime near the bottom of each page on PCGS CoinFacts here:
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. https://pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1870-s-h10c/4397
@JesseKraft said:
Don't forget the unique 1873-CC No Arrows dime, found in a dealer's junk box in 1978.
Looks like a mixup with the story on the unique 1870-S Half Dime which I'm sure you already know about. It can be easy get mixed up with those two little similar sized unique coins. I did not catch it either at first glance.
Eliasberg acquired the unique 1873-CC No Arrows dime as the last coin he needed at the time in 1950.
Unless I'm forgetting some other discovery, the 1870-S Half Dime was the only date and mint combination now known to exist (not including varieties) that Eliasberg never owned as it was not discovered until after his death.
There is some good history and stories about the 1870-S and the 1873-CC No Arrows dime near the bottom of each page on PCGS CoinFacts here:
.
. https://pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1870-s-h10c/4397
Jesse C. Kraft, Ph.D.
Resolute Americana Curator of American Numismatics
American Numismatic Society
New York City
Member of the American Numismatic Association (ANA), British Numismatic Society (BNS), New York Numismatic Club (NYNC), Early American Copper (EAC), the Colonial Coin Collectors Club (C4), U.S. Mexican Numismatic Association (USMNA), Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC), Token and Medal Society (TAMS), and life member of the Atlantic County Numismatic Society (ACNS). Become a member of the American Numismatic Society!
@Weiss said:
HA's upcoming Donald G. Patrick auction features "the finest-known Brasher Doubloons"
I appreciate the auctioneers covering their bases like that. But really? "Finest known"?
What are the chances that not only is there are entirely unknown mega rarity like a Brasher Doubloon somewhere out there--one that nobody has ever seen or recorded--but that this unicorn of unicorns would grade higher than MS65*?
Is that just hype-man speak?
There are other SS Central Americas and Saddle Ridges out there. There have to be. And they will come to the market eventually. And there will be some rare material in them.
But are there true earth-shattering mega ultra rarities still out there, entirely unknown?
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Was wondering if there might be more rarities waiting to be discovered in some museum collections around the world when I ran across this comment in a Heritage auction lot.
It is from a roster of known examples of the rare 1856-O Double Eagle listed when they sold one last year.
"8. AU53, per Garrett and Guth. National Numismatic Collection, Smithsonian Institution. This coin was discovered in the NNC in 1984 with no record of its provenance. It was not listed in the inventory Comparette compiled in the 1912-1914 era, but it may have been in the collection for some time.
@WinLoseWin said:
Was wondering if there might be more rarities waiting to be discovered in some museum collections around the world when I ran across this comment in a Heritage auction lot.
It is from a roster of known examples of the rare 1856-O Double Eagle listed when they sold one last year.
"8. AU53, per Garrett and Guth. National Numismatic Collection, Smithsonian Institution. This coin was discovered in the NNC in 1984 with no record of its provenance. It was not listed in the inventory Comparette compiled in the 1912-1914 era, but it may have been in the collection for some time.
But I'm guessing there are some rare US coins that could still be lost in museums in other countries if not also in the United States.
All the big ones are known in US department of the ANS collection, especially in the "red book" series, but there are A LOT of weird things that are yet to be published. Most of them are unique, but I wouldn't call them "mega-ultra rarities." Also, our US medals collection is probably 10x the size of the US coins, so who knows what's in there?!
Jesse C. Kraft, Ph.D.
Resolute Americana Curator of American Numismatics
American Numismatic Society
New York City
Member of the American Numismatic Association (ANA), British Numismatic Society (BNS), New York Numismatic Club (NYNC), Early American Copper (EAC), the Colonial Coin Collectors Club (C4), U.S. Mexican Numismatic Association (USMNA), Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC), Token and Medal Society (TAMS), and life member of the Atlantic County Numismatic Society (ACNS). Become a member of the American Numismatic Society!
If I remember correctly, in the past ten to twenty years the finest Mormon $20 surfaced (MS 62?) and the finest 1870 cc $20 surfaced, only to be lost again. Also, the finest 1870 $5 surfaced in Carson City in the mid-1990’s. I imagine that there are a few great coins off the radar, in long forgotten safety deposit boxes, home foundations, and on the dirt trails around Carson City.
Depends on the coin type and how long ago it was struck. I'm thinking it's more likely we could get lucky and see a 1921 Saint in Gem Mint condition from a lucky find somewhere rather than a bunch being found in a bank vault. OTOH, we'll continue to see more of the commons and semi-rares for many gold coins as the 1st generation of kids (for many of us, our parents or grandparents) who were given the coin, purchased them or inherited them.....pass on and those coins go to our generation.
Tens of trillions in financial assets changes hands in the next 20-30 years. I believe you will also see tens of billions in valuable coins and bullion alongside that transfer, some coins known, some coins new to the population census.
We continue to see steady trickles lasting years -- not torrents of new coins, but consistent amounts monthly -- from overseas banks and/or domestic SDBs. In fact, SDBs are disappearing in this country, a relic from a century ago when people (especially in urban areas or isolated rural ones) feared being surrounded by crooks (urban) or being too isolated from police (rural).
JP Morgan Chase is phasing out SDBs and more banks are going to be winding theirs down in coming years, too. As they are closed, folks will find out they or their parents had some coins and we'll see some rarities -- but probably just an increase on more common coins, even if common or semi-rare at best.
There are very important old wealth collections, especially in Europe, that span generations. Things that haven’t seen the light of day in hundreds of years. If some of those were to hit an auction, some ultra rarities would come to light.
@SimonW said:
There are very important old wealth collections, especially in Europe, that span generations. Things that haven’t seen the light of day in hundreds of years. If some of those were to hit an auction, some ultra rarities would come to light.
Imagine if their ancestors visited our Founding Fathers like William Strickland?
Yes, I believe there probably are ultra-rarities still out there hidden away in places. That being said, the description of "finest known" is acceptable given that the ones hidden away are "unknown". Nothing wrong with the description. If it said "finest ever" or "finest of all", that might be more questionable.
I’m sure there are coins yet to resurface- I bought some early $5s and $10s that were part of a huge old gold collection from the 70s- put away by a wealthy anonymous collector in flips several decades prior to the TPGs. Recently brought to market, not sure if it was the result of a death in the family or they just decided it was time to sell, but many of these became new finest knowns or at least tied for finest knowns, and most received CAC approval. This collection has now been dispersed but was full of consistently original, bright, beautiful coins.
@Floridafacelifter said:
I’m sure there are coins yet to resurface- I bought some early $5s and $10s that were part of a huge old gold collection from the 70s- put away by a wealthy anonymous collector in flips several decades prior to the TPGs. Recently brought to market, not sure if it was the result of a death in the family or they just decided it was time to sell, but many of these became new finest knowns or at least tied for finest knowns, and most received CAC approval. This collection has now been dispersed but was full of consistently original, bright, beautiful coins.
People say they like old and crusty gold, but I'd want it to look like this.
All said and done, Florida raises a good point. There are likely some really nice coins that are in collections but otherwise unknown. Think of the Millholland Collection - some of the finest Seated dollar proofs out there and they just surfaced.
When I was looking for houses in Baltimore I had fantasies about coming across a bag full of 1822 $5 gold since some of the homes I was looking at dated back almost that far... a boy can dream...
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Posting in awareness that this thread is a couple of years old now, so a bit of a necro.
The OP raises two issues.
First, is the use of the term "finest known". Is there another way to describe it? There are a finite number of coins. For rare coins (like Brasher doubloons), the small number in existence in private and public hands are well-documented, having either been sold on more than one occasion in the past hundred years or more or featured in a published catalogue. They are "known". If you arrange all the "known coins" in a series in order of condition, then there will be one coin a the top of the queue - the finest of the known coins.
In some coin series, there might well be "known unknowns" - coins which are known to exist, or are purported to exist, but for which photographic evidence and proper numismatic observation and study have not been possible. Such coins are not counted among the "knowns", because we do not know where on the scale of condition they would fall; they might turn out to be finer than the "finest known", but until they make themselves fully known, this must be held in doubt.
Second, is the matter of "unknown unknowns" - whether or not undocumented ultra-rarities exist. To which the answer is "of course they do". And the further back in time you go, the more likely an undocumented ultra-rarity might pop up.
Back in AD 271, a Roman general named Domitianus was briefly declared emperor by some troops loyal to him. He only seems to have "reigned" for a week or two. Exactly what happened to him after this is unknown, as the surviving historical records make virtually no mention of him or his attempted usurpation. In 1900, a coin bearing his name and portrait was found in France. Since nobody had heard of this guy before, everyone assumed the coin was some kind of hoax. Then in 2003 a second coin was found, this time in England, with incontrovertible archaeological proof as to its antiquity. A third one has since been found in Bulgaria. "Emperor Domitian II" is now a confirmed historical figure, based solely on the evidence of those three coins.
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I'd sure like to come across a bag of business-strike 1895-P Morgan's. Heck, why be greedy, just two coins will do; one to keep and the other to auction off.
Curious as to why PCGS' Coinfacts app doesn't even list the 1895-P Morgan. The history, facts and mystery surrounding the "King of Morgan's", is very interesting.
To assume that everything is discovered, or known, in this or any field, is ludicrous as well as narrow-minded. As for Oak Island, I am pretty sure water and rock are under there.
@erscolo said:
To assume that everything is discovered, or known, in this or any field, is ludicrous as well as narrow-minded. As for Oak Island, I am pretty sure water and rock are under there.
@erscolo said:
To assume that everything is discovered, or known, in this or any field, is ludicrous as well as narrow-minded. As for Oak Island, I am pretty sure water and rock are under there.
Don't forget old iron spikes and wood.
Haha yes- you can be pretty sure if they went to all that trouble to build a stone dock, a stone road, a well, closed in a lagoon to hide a ship, and dug a treasure tunnel that someone remembered to come back and get the treasure!
About 15 yrs ago I was visiting a friend in the Midwest. Had no idea they owned nice old gold bought by their parents and grandparents circa 1900-1950.
Out of the safe and onto the kitchen table comes a group of coins that made my jaw drop.
$5,000 to $500,000 coins. Several of the rare 20's would probably be condition census.
Yes, there are collections out there that will probably never see the light of day unless the heirs don't get along.
I was fortunate enough to be gifted with many items from my late father's safe that were unknown to myself and my sister because they were stored from 1945 to a couple of years ago in my dad's safe. He never told us.
@Tramp said:
I'd sure like to come across a bag of business-strike 1895-P Morgan's. Heck, why be greedy, just two coins will do; one to keep and the other to auction off.
Curious as to why PCGS' Coinfacts app doesn't even list the 1895-P Morgan. The history, facts and mystery surrounding the "King of Morgan's", is very interesting.
Perhaps because the 1895-P Morgan were only minted as Proofs. It's listed in Coin Facts on the "Proof" page.
@Floridafacelifter said:
I’m sure there are coins yet to resurface- I bought some early $5s and $10s that were part of a huge old gold collection from the 70s- put away by a wealthy anonymous collector in flips several decades prior to the TPGs. Recently brought to market, not sure if it was the result of a death in the family or they just decided it was time to sell, but many of these became new finest knowns or at least tied for finest knowns, and most received CAC approval. This collection has now been dispersed but was full of consistently original, bright, beautiful coins.
This amazing proof die fragment and half dollar mated pair has a similar history, just surfacing and being slabbed from an old time collection:
@JesseKraft said:
Don't forget the unique 1873-CC No Arrows dime, found in a dealer's junk box in 1978.
Looks like a mixup with the story on the unique 1870-S Half Dime which I'm sure you already know about. It can be easy get mixed up with those two little similar sized unique coins. I did not catch it either at first glance.
Eliasberg acquired the unique 1873-CC No Arrows dime as the last coin he needed at the time in 1950.
Unless I'm forgetting some other discovery, the 1870-S Half Dime was the only date and mint combination now known to exist (not including varieties) that Eliasberg never owned as it was not discovered until after his death.
There is some good history and stories about the 1870-S and the 1873-CC No Arrows dime near the bottom of each page on PCGS CoinFacts here:
.
. https://pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1870-s-h10c/4397
Don't forget about "dirt coins" and metal detectorists. They may not find a 1933 Saint or 1804 $1, but Colonial and post-Colonial rarities are on the table (uh, I mean in the ground). Since the year 2000, I have seen a 1792 half disme, 1795, 1801, and 1803 half dimes, a Chain cent, more than one New England (pine/oak) silver pieces, an 1870-CC quarter, an 1870-CC half, and many early coppers dug by various people. If detectorists can find those items, why not an 1802 half dime or a 1793 Strawberry Leaf cent? How about a heretofore unknown variety of New Jersey or Connecticut copper?
I walked in to my LCS yesterday and the owner called me over- someone had just walked in with a beautiful 78-CC Trade Dollar in a Capital Plastics holder and was negotiating a sale- my guess was MS-62/63- nice original with plenty of luster and nice golden rim toning. Next time I’ll find out the rest of the story- I didn’t want to interfere with the business of the shop so I just admired it before I left, but it was definitely a coin I would buy.
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Looks like a mixup with the story on the unique 1870-S Half Dime which I'm sure you already know about. It can be easy get mixed up with those two little similar sized unique coins. I did not catch it either at first glance.
Eliasberg acquired the unique 1873-CC No Arrows dime as the last coin he needed at the time in 1950.
Unless I'm forgetting some other discovery, the 1870-S Half Dime was the only date and mint combination now known to exist (not including varieties) that Eliasberg never owned as it was not discovered until after his death.
There is some good history and stories about the 1870-S and the 1873-CC No Arrows dime near the bottom of each page on PCGS CoinFacts here:
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https://pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1870-s-h10c/4397
https://pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1873-cc-10c-no-arrows/4661
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"To Be Esteemed Be Useful" - 1792 Birch Cent --- "I personally think we developed language because of our deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin
Yep! That's what I meant.
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Resolute Americana Curator of American Numismatics
American Numismatic Society
New York City
Member of the American Numismatic Association (ANA), British Numismatic Society (BNS), New York Numismatic Club (NYNC), Early American Copper (EAC), the Colonial Coin Collectors Club (C4), U.S. Mexican Numismatic Association (USMNA), Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC), Token and Medal Society (TAMS), and life member of the Atlantic County Numismatic Society (ACNS).
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I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
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I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
Was wondering if there might be more rarities waiting to be discovered in some museum collections around the world when I ran across this comment in a Heritage auction lot.
It is from a roster of known examples of the rare 1856-O Double Eagle listed when they sold one last year.
"8. AU53, per Garrett and Guth. National Numismatic Collection, Smithsonian Institution. This coin was discovered in the NNC in 1984 with no record of its provenance. It was not listed in the inventory Comparette compiled in the 1912-1914 era, but it may have been in the collection for some time.
That coin would currently be worth in the $300,000 to $500,000 range.
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https://coins.ha.com/itm/liberty-double-eagles/double-eagles/1856-o-20-au50-ngc-variety-1-pcgs-8918-/a/1298-3925.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515
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@JesseKraft, you got any unsearched goodies at the American Numismatic Society yet. I would think the coins have all been gone through thoroughly by now.
But I'm guessing there are some rare US coins that could still be lost in museums in other countries if not also in the United States.
"To Be Esteemed Be Useful" - 1792 Birch Cent --- "I personally think we developed language because of our deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin
Very few have seen the finest 1885 trade dollar in the past 30 years
All the big ones are known in US department of the ANS collection, especially in the "red book" series, but there are A LOT of weird things that are yet to be published. Most of them are unique, but I wouldn't call them "mega-ultra rarities." Also, our US medals collection is probably 10x the size of the US coins, so who knows what's in there?!
Jesse C. Kraft, Ph.D.
Resolute Americana Curator of American Numismatics
American Numismatic Society
New York City
Member of the American Numismatic Association (ANA), British Numismatic Society (BNS), New York Numismatic Club (NYNC), Early American Copper (EAC), the Colonial Coin Collectors Club (C4), U.S. Mexican Numismatic Association (USMNA), Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC), Token and Medal Society (TAMS), and life member of the Atlantic County Numismatic Society (ACNS).
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If I remember correctly, in the past ten to twenty years the finest Mormon $20 surfaced (MS 62?) and the finest 1870 cc $20 surfaced, only to be lost again. Also, the finest 1870 $5 surfaced in Carson City in the mid-1990’s. I imagine that there are a few great coins off the radar, in long forgotten safety deposit boxes, home foundations, and on the dirt trails around Carson City.
The search makes the hobby interesting.
What about this 😳
Gobrecht's Engraved Mature Head Large Cent Model
https://www.instagram.com/rexrarities/?hl=en
Good question! My answer is yes there are more out there to discover ...... Stay tuned folks
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Depends on the coin type and how long ago it was struck. I'm thinking it's more likely we could get lucky and see a 1921 Saint in Gem Mint condition from a lucky find somewhere rather than a bunch being found in a bank vault. OTOH, we'll continue to see more of the commons and semi-rares for many gold coins as the 1st generation of kids (for many of us, our parents or grandparents) who were given the coin, purchased them or inherited them.....pass on and those coins go to our generation.
Tens of trillions in financial assets changes hands in the next 20-30 years. I believe you will also see tens of billions in valuable coins and bullion alongside that transfer, some coins known, some coins new to the population census.
We continue to see steady trickles lasting years -- not torrents of new coins, but consistent amounts monthly -- from overseas banks and/or domestic SDBs. In fact, SDBs are disappearing in this country, a relic from a century ago when people (especially in urban areas or isolated rural ones) feared being surrounded by crooks (urban) or being too isolated from police (rural).
JP Morgan Chase is phasing out SDBs and more banks are going to be winding theirs down in coming years, too. As they are closed, folks will find out they or their parents had some coins and we'll see some rarities -- but probably just an increase on more common coins, even if common or semi-rare at best.
There are very important old wealth collections, especially in Europe, that span generations. Things that haven’t seen the light of day in hundreds of years. If some of those were to hit an auction, some ultra rarities would come to light.
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I can think of the following:
Imagine if their ancestors visited our Founding Fathers like William Strickland?
Yes, I believe there probably are ultra-rarities still out there hidden away in places. That being said, the description of "finest known" is acceptable given that the ones hidden away are "unknown". Nothing wrong with the description. If it said "finest ever" or "finest of all", that might be more questionable.
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I’m sure there are coins yet to resurface- I bought some early $5s and $10s that were part of a huge old gold collection from the 70s- put away by a wealthy anonymous collector in flips several decades prior to the TPGs. Recently brought to market, not sure if it was the result of a death in the family or they just decided it was time to sell, but many of these became new finest knowns or at least tied for finest knowns, and most received CAC approval. This collection has now been dispersed but was full of consistently original, bright, beautiful coins.
People say they like old and crusty gold, but I'd want it to look like this.
All said and done, Florida raises a good point. There are likely some really nice coins that are in collections but otherwise unknown. Think of the Millholland Collection - some of the finest Seated dollar proofs out there and they just surfaced.
I'd expect several such collections exist.
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Posting in awareness that this thread is a couple of years old now, so a bit of a necro.
The OP raises two issues.
First, is the use of the term "finest known". Is there another way to describe it? There are a finite number of coins. For rare coins (like Brasher doubloons), the small number in existence in private and public hands are well-documented, having either been sold on more than one occasion in the past hundred years or more or featured in a published catalogue. They are "known". If you arrange all the "known coins" in a series in order of condition, then there will be one coin a the top of the queue - the finest of the known coins.
In some coin series, there might well be "known unknowns" - coins which are known to exist, or are purported to exist, but for which photographic evidence and proper numismatic observation and study have not been possible. Such coins are not counted among the "knowns", because we do not know where on the scale of condition they would fall; they might turn out to be finer than the "finest known", but until they make themselves fully known, this must be held in doubt.
Second, is the matter of "unknown unknowns" - whether or not undocumented ultra-rarities exist. To which the answer is "of course they do". And the further back in time you go, the more likely an undocumented ultra-rarity might pop up.
Back in AD 271, a Roman general named Domitianus was briefly declared emperor by some troops loyal to him. He only seems to have "reigned" for a week or two. Exactly what happened to him after this is unknown, as the surviving historical records make virtually no mention of him or his attempted usurpation. In 1900, a coin bearing his name and portrait was found in France. Since nobody had heard of this guy before, everyone assumed the coin was some kind of hoax. Then in 2003 a second coin was found, this time in England, with incontrovertible archaeological proof as to its antiquity. A third one has since been found in Bulgaria. "Emperor Domitian II" is now a confirmed historical figure, based solely on the evidence of those three coins.
Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius, "Meditations"
Apparently I have been awarded one DPOTD.
I'd sure like to come across a bag of business-strike 1895-P Morgan's. Heck, why be greedy, just two coins will do; one to keep and the other to auction off.
Curious as to why PCGS' Coinfacts app doesn't even list the 1895-P Morgan. The history, facts and mystery surrounding the "King of Morgan's", is very interesting.
USAF (Ret.) 1985 - 2005. E-4B Aircraft Maintenance Crew Chief and Contracting Officer.
My current Registry sets:
✓ Everyman Mint State Carson City Morgan Dollars (1878 – 1893)
✓ Everyman Mint State Lincoln Cents (1909 – 1958)
✓ Morgan Dollar GSA Hoard (1878 – 1891)
I have no doubt they are out there.
To assume that everything is discovered, or known, in this or any field, is ludicrous as well as narrow-minded. As for Oak Island, I am pretty sure water and rock are under there.
Yes. I want a 1974 p FB dime.
Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value. Zero. Voltaire. Ebay coinbowlllc
Don't forget old iron spikes and wood.
Haha yes- you can be pretty sure if they went to all that trouble to build a stone dock, a stone road, a well, closed in a lagoon to hide a ship, and dug a treasure tunnel that someone remembered to come back and get the treasure!
About 15 yrs ago I was visiting a friend in the Midwest. Had no idea they owned nice old gold bought by their parents and grandparents circa 1900-1950.
Out of the safe and onto the kitchen table comes a group of coins that made my jaw drop.
$5,000 to $500,000 coins. Several of the rare 20's would probably be condition census.
Yes, there are collections out there that will probably never see the light of day unless the heirs don't get along.
I was fortunate enough to be gifted with many items from my late father's safe that were unknown to myself and my sister because they were stored from 1945 to a couple of years ago in my dad's safe. He never told us.
Perhaps because the 1895-P Morgan were only minted as Proofs. It's listed in Coin Facts on the "Proof" page.
Zoins. . . . . . . quite astute.
But neither of the survivors are going to be revealed for a mere $10k PCGS 'Finder's Fee'. Both coins are enhanced by their 'legendary' status.
Drunner
Yep, knew all that. Just had to go to the right tab in the app.
To the point, it would be great if those 12,000 were discovered in some corner covered up all these years after being written off.
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My current Registry sets:
✓ Everyman Mint State Carson City Morgan Dollars (1878 – 1893)
✓ Everyman Mint State Lincoln Cents (1909 – 1958)
✓ Morgan Dollar GSA Hoard (1878 – 1891)
I'm positive they're out there.
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This amazing proof die fragment and half dollar mated pair has a similar history, just surfacing and being slabbed from an old time collection:
Great examples!
Here are the TrueViews:
Here's another amazing coin!
Don't forget about "dirt coins" and metal detectorists. They may not find a 1933 Saint or 1804 $1, but Colonial and post-Colonial rarities are on the table (uh, I mean in the ground). Since the year 2000, I have seen a 1792 half disme, 1795, 1801, and 1803 half dimes, a Chain cent, more than one New England (pine/oak) silver pieces, an 1870-CC quarter, an 1870-CC half, and many early coppers dug by various people. If detectorists can find those items, why not an 1802 half dime or a 1793 Strawberry Leaf cent? How about a heretofore unknown variety of New Jersey or Connecticut copper?
YES
A: The year they spend more on their library than their coin collection.
A numismatist is judged more on the content of their library than the content of their cabinet.
I walked in to my LCS yesterday and the owner called me over- someone had just walked in with a beautiful 78-CC Trade Dollar in a Capital Plastics holder and was negotiating a sale- my guess was MS-62/63- nice original with plenty of luster and nice golden rim toning. Next time I’ll find out the rest of the story- I didn’t want to interfere with the business of the shop so I just admired it before I left, but it was definitely a coin I would buy.
Yes, in the ground, bottom of the ocean or in some cornerstone or wall. When I built my house I put coins in the walls before the sheetrock went up.