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Are 500 $20 Dollar Gold Pieces still missing ?-The Red River Treasure

1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,786 ✭✭✭✭✭

The Red River Treasure
In 1894, the First National Bank in Bowie, Texas was robbed by four men. After escaping with the $28,000 in stolen loot, they headed north, stopping after a long day’s ride on the south bank of the flooded Red River on the Texas – Oklahoma border. In the meantime, Lewis Palmore, a U.S. Deputy Marshal in Indian Territory received a telegram from the Bowie City Marshal, that the bandits were headed his way.

Realizing that the thieves would have to cross the flooded Red River at Rock Crossing, he made preparations for a posse to be waiting the next morning. When the robbers started their departure the next day, they spied a posse quickly approaching from the south and plunged into the river, swimming beside their horses. Little did they realize that they were swimming directly into the hands of yet another posse waiting for them on the other side of the river. Palmore, along with two deputies, quickly arrested the four men, finding in their saddlebags, some $18,000 in paper money. However, also taken from the bank was
** $10,000 in $20 gold pieces**. Of these, not a single one was found.
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The outlaws were then taken to Fort Smith, Arkansas, where they were sentenced to hang by Judge Isaac Parker. U.S. Deputy Marshal Palmore was there for the execution and as one of the robbers waited to for his execution, he told the lawman that they had hidden the gold coins near their final campsite on the south bank of the Red River. On his return to Oklahoma,Palmore searched the are over and over looking for the gold coins, but was never able to find them. Later, he told the tale to his son, who also searched the site with a metal detector. Though Frank had the advantage of advanced technology to help him in his search, he too was unsuccessful.

The cache is said to be buried somewhere between the bridge on Highway 81 and the mouth of the Little Wichita River.

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,943 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Google view with the metal detector app?

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  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,786 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:

    Google view with the metal detector app?

    Already googled it by can't find the app on my flip phone :)

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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,418 ✭✭✭✭✭

    that was an interesting read boson many thanks

  • TurtleCatTurtleCat Posts: 4,605 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sounds like a tall tale to me. It could even have been bank people who took the money seeing an opportunity with a real robbery...

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice little article!

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,232 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I find the story non-credible. Hanging for a $28,000 bank robbery? Unless they killed people in the bank that makes no sense.

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  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,507 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    I find the story non-credible. Hanging for a $28,000 bank robbery? Unless they killed people in the bank that makes no sense.

    I can understand that BUT people have been executed in the 19th and 20th centuries for wayyyyy less.

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  • RelaxnRelaxn Posts: 996 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is an area that floods extensively. Where the Little Wichita meets the Red River will run dry in the summer but have extensive flooding in the spring. A lot of private farmland there so would not explore without permission.

  • bkzoopapabkzoopapa Posts: 178 ✭✭✭

    Judge Issac Parker was known as the “hangin judge”.

  • maplemanmapleman Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭✭✭

    possible horse thieves as well. hanging offence.

  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,786 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    I find the story non-credible. Hanging for a $28,000 bank robbery? Unless they killed people in the bank that makes no sense.

    @bkzoopapa is correct

    Executions at Fort Smith
    Fort Smith National Historic Site, Arkansas

    During the twenty-four years the federal executions took place in Fort Smith, eighty-seven men died on the gallows. While Judge Isaac C. Parker sat on the bench, 160 people, including four women, were sentenced to hang. Just over half received a reprieve from execution through pardons, commutations, reversals or acquittals on appeal, or death in jail. The men listed below were hanged in Fort Smith.

    August 15, 1873 John Childers
    October 10, 1873 Six Killer, Tunagee alias Tuni Young Wolf
    April 3, 1874 John Billy, Isaac Filmore, John Pointer
    January 15, 1875 McClish Impson
    September 3, 1875* Edmund Campbell, Daniel Evans, Samuel Fooy, Smoker Mankiller, James Moore, William Whittington
    April 21, 1876 Gibson Ishtanubbee, William Leach, Orpheus McGee, Isham Seeley, Aaron Wilson
    September 8, 1876 Samuel Peters, Osey Sanders, John Valley, Sinker Wilson
    December 20, 1878 James Diggs, John Postoak
    August 29, 1879 William Elliot Wiley, alias Colorado Bill, Dr. Henri Stewart
    September 9, 1881 William Brown, Patrick McGowen, Abler Manley, Amos Manley, George W. Padgett
    June 30, 1882 Edward Fulson
    April
    Executions at Fort Smith Marker image. Click for full size.
    By Denise Boose, July 13, 2012
    2. Executions at Fort Smith Marker
    13, 1883 Robert Massey
    June 29, 1883 William Finch, Martin Joseph, Te-o-lit-se
    July 11, 1884 John Davis, Thomas Thompson, Jack Womankiller
    April 17, 1885 William Phillips
    June 26, 1885 James Arcine, William Parchmeal
    April 23, 1886 Joseph Jackson, James Wasson
    July 23, 1886 Calvin James, Lincoln Sprole
    August 6, 1886 Kit Ross
    January 14, 1887 John T. Echols, James Lamb, Albert O’Dell, John Stephens
    April 8, 1887 Patrick McCarty
    October 7, 1887 Seaborn Kalijah, alias Seborn Green, Silas Hampton
    April 27, 1888 Jackson Crow, Owen Hill, George Moss
    July 6, 1888 Gus Bogles
    January 25, 1889 Richard Smith
    April 19, 1889 Malachi Allen, James Mills
    August 30, 1889 Jack Spaniard, William Walker
    January 16, 1890 Harris Austin, John Billy, Jimmon Burris, Sam Goin, Jefferson Jones, Thomas Willis
    January 30, 1890 George Tobler
    July 9, 1890 John Stansberry
    June 30, 1891 Boudinot Crumpton, alias Bood Burris
    April 27, 1892 Sheppard Busby
    June 28, 1892 John Thornton
    July 25, 1894 Lewis Holder
    September 24, 1894 John Ponter
    March 17, 1896 Crawford Goldsby, alias Cherokee Bill
    April 30, 1896 Webber Isaacs, George Pierce, John Pierce
    July 1, 1896 Rufus Buck, Lewis Davis, Lucky Davis, Maoma July, Sam Sampson
    July 30, 1896 George Wilson, alias James Casherago

    George Maledon, known as the Prince of Hangmen, served as executioner at over half of the Fort Smith hangings.
    executions under Judge Parker

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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 11, 2020 6:06AM

    From "reported" inflation alone that $10,000 in is worth $800,000 today. In $20 gold pieces probably around $1.5 MILL. in choice BU condition.

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    I find the story non-credible. Hanging for a $28,000 bank robbery? Unless they killed people in the bank that makes no sense.

    This was still the wild west. See the list of hangings at Ft. Smith posted earlier.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,187 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ricko said:
    There is a long list of 'lost' treasures in this great country.... I believe some have been found, but not reported...I have no evidence to support that, but being a cache hunter (MD searches for large, hidden stuff), I can tell you that the first rule of cache hunters is to tell no one about your find. Cheers, RickO

    Have to agree with ricko on this. All one has to do is look at past history on what happens to those who 'report' finds or others find out. The government may step in and grab it, others may file lawsuits, theft, etc.; resulting in loss to the finder or years in legal battles.

    Many of the 'treasures' may have actually been found... but by individuals who have succeeded in keeping quiet.

    ----- kj
  • kiyotekiyote Posts: 5,577 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’ve already found my river gold! A 20 gram 14k necklace.. a find this big could possibly give me a heart attack

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  • batumibatumi Posts: 818 ✭✭✭✭

    @tincup said:

    @ricko said:
    There is a long list of 'lost' treasures in this great country.... I believe some have been found, but not reported...I have no evidence to support that, but being a cache hunter (MD searches for large, hidden stuff), I can tell you that the first rule of cache hunters is to tell no one about your find. Cheers, RickO

    Have to agree with ricko on this. All one has to do is look at past history on what happens to those who 'report' finds or others find out. The government may step in and grab it, others may file lawsuits, theft, etc.; resulting in loss to the finder or years in legal battles.

    Many of the 'treasures' may have actually been found... but by individuals who have succeeded in keeping quiet.

    I have always believed in the old adage "the only way three people can keep a secret is if two of them are dead"!

  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    this story sounds like it was from the time and place that the movie "Hang 'Em High" was framed around.

  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @291fifth said:

    @CaptHenway said:
    I find the story non-credible. Hanging for a $28,000 bank robbery? Unless they killed people in the bank that makes no sense.

    This was still the wild west. See the list of hangings at Ft. Smith posted earlier.

    Parker didn't mess around..did he?

  • ShaunBC5ShaunBC5 Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 11, 2020 8:40PM

    You guys spent much time in OK/TX/AR? I grew up there and had no trouble believing the part about the hanging, even without the actual evidence. “He needed killin” was justifiable in those parts in those days.
    The missing gold, who knows. I’m sure it’s not there anymore, or could be on the other side of the river or under it, still buried (Red River has been known to move after floods, didn’t research this area).
    Real neat story.

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Indian Territory (the eastern part of what is now the state of Oklahoma) was recently the subject of a US Supreme Court decision regarding the status of Indian reservations located there.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • gonzergonzer Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Can't help but think of Paul Newman as Judge Roy Bean.

  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 12, 2020 5:30AM

    I would wager many treasures / dropped packages are found and then quietly handled / well managed by their new owners (finders keepers losers weepers).

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