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1916 matte proof Lincoln cent on eBay, would you bid on it?
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Would you bid on this 1916 matte proof Lincoln cent being offered on eBay now? over 40 bids on at 203.50 dollars now.
Collector of Buffalo Nickels and other 20th century United States Coinage
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The wheat stalks seem a bit mushy of a strike for a PR...
IMHO... for this particular issue... no holder... no way!
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Doesn't really look Proofy to me. Nice strike, but rim is not sharp and squared.
Pete
Without a PCGS holder I wouldn't touch it
[ ] Coin is graded
[ ] Seller has more than 0 feedback
[x] Looks like it was found in the reject slot of a coinstar
You be the judge
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NOT a proof IMO
1916 was a good year for circulation strikes.
Collector, occasional seller
In case anyone else wants to report it as a non-Proof, here's a link to the listing:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1916-Matte-Proof-Lincoln-Wheat-Cent-RED-NO-RESERVE-MORE-NO-RESERVE-AUCTIONS/363056075504?hash=item5487d412f0:g:H48AAOSwxMle7tdf
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
No.
Might as well get the other listing too.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/kamo_342/m.html?item=363056075504&hash=item5487d412f0:g:H48AAOSwxMle7tdf&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562
Edited to add:
THE HOLY GRAIL
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1878-rev-of-79-Proof-Morgan-Silver-Dollar-Cameo-ONLY-50-MINTED-THE-HOLY-GRAIL/363056073026?hash=item5487d40942:g:UT8AAOSwL7tfDzuk
His 1888 Proof Morgan is also not a proof. Reported.
bob
I'd buy it is a proof. For 50c cents.
Mr. "Mattehead" (who has not made an appearance in many years on this forum) - sez its not a proof!
No.
How about the 1914 cent?
Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value. Zero. Voltaire. Ebay coinbowlllc
Not even close. Everyone - you really have to buy the book, study the diagnostics and get away from the idea MPL just need "wide rims" to be a proof. Those rims do need to be wide, but the need to be square and full all the way around and have sharpe edges on both the inside and outside edge, etc.
Thats what I thought on it. But I certainly don't mind confirming my theories with the experts.
Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value. Zero. Voltaire. Ebay coinbowlllc
Looks like a business strike that has been whizzed.
California special on one of those "proof" 1886 Morgans...
A coin of that alleged quality should be in a TPG holder to be taken seriously.
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IMO ... it's not a proof for the reasons mentioned above.
1916 now has 45 bidders and at $225.00
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No. The only raw coins I buy are those that are more often not worth the trouble or expense to have graded; i.e.. are of low value. Even then I first try to find a graded example. If I made a living at this, it might be different.
Hopefully the auction can be stopped.
If not, someone is going to be paying, and someone else is going to be earning tuition.
Compare the rims on this proof.
No it's not for me. Pass
Note the dings on "R" of Liberty,"E" of One, and "C" of Cent.
That’s sort of a moot point, considering that the coin isn’t a Proof and therefore of very low value, with or without the “dings”.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Put a mask on Lincoln and stop trying to save people from themselves.
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40 shill bids. Impressive.
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
I wonder what this sold for?
https://ebay.com/itm/1961-PROOF-CAMEO-FRANKLIN-HALF-DOLLAR-DOUBLED-DIE-REVERSE-DDR-FS-801-/363058687027?hash=item5487fbec33%3Ag%3A-%7EoAAOSwW8RfHIZd&nma=true&si=SJASvRzyvi8KIx%252BRMmgEeKl2g5A%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
The fields are significantly different than the authentic version shown above... this is a 'manufactured' piece.... Flaky bid history as well...Cheers, RickO
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Now those are some rims! Thanks for pointing out these details to us newbies (or renewbies) trying to figure out how you guys can spot such things.
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Regardless proof or not the dings do cause a lessening of value in determining it's final grade/selling price.
If anyone posting on this thread thinks this might just be a proof they should just post an atomic bid (perhaps $500?) and then pay submission fee to see if they just won the lottery........
And please share the results.
OINK
Look like all here do vote non-proof.
I will also vote "Not a proof." Rims are all wrong.
Its more than about rims. Each of the Matte Proofs have specific diagnostics that are used to ID the coin. It's not just the rims. Thats why I can not emphasis enough the need to have a resource book handy like Kevin Flynns Lincoln Cent Matte Proofs or Carl B Waltz Jr.A Study of Matte Proof Lincoln Cents 1909-1916. Do your usual book searches and you should find them.
WS
If the rims ain't right it ain't a proof, regardless of any die markers.
The edge is another characteristic of a proof. Proofs will show a mirrored edge that is consistent in thickness and not beveled as in a circulation strike.
Mushy area at the bottom of the reverse says no.
This is how the rims on a matte proof SHOULD look like-
it looks like it was included in a package deal that just sold
https://ebay.com/itm/1909-vdb-RB-amp-1916-RD-Matte-Proof-Wheat-Cents-2-Coins-4-free-proofs-for-buying-/363063430941?hash=item5488444f1d%3Ag%3Aui0AAOSwzaJfIubh&nma=true&si=SJASvRzyvi8KIx%252BRMmgEeKl2g5A%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
Here is the reverse of the 1909vdb matte proof shown in above combo auction with the 1916 so-called matte proof
and a picture of one of the free proof coins included with the big two. Some one is getting skinned and flogged at the
same time here. I guess this must be what you would call a reverse cherrypick where the buyer picks you (your pocket that is) rather than you picking them! And to think this package “deal" sold for only a bit above 2900 dollars
Pictures shown below........
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Cannot imagine why the seller did not include common date nice proof wheat cents rather than stuff like this?
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The 1936 proof penny would probably grade PR20 environmental damage.
Thats of course if you could identify some die marker or markers to prove it was a proof die.
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I guess it is about time I open myself up for rebuke . . . . .
There are times I wonder about the hobby, humanity, and where we will all end up in time . . .
So . . . . we have here a 1916 (cleaned) in MS63-4, a spotted, ultracommon 1909-VDB, and some damaged, cleaned, buffed (I haven't been able to see the date unless I actually give effort) 'proofs' (or common damaged bag-Lincs that may or may not make it through CoinStar) . . . .
And, someone sold this $47.00 (I am being ULTRA-generous) lot for what amount ??????????
Am I missing something? Am I too old? Do I have a wrong impression of the numismatic hobby???
Drunner
What kind of people are bidding on this stuff? Certainly the uninformed but just the sheer number of bids is amazing.
here is the obverse of the 1909vdb so-called matte proof cent in the above deal
a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
along with the reverse again
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closed high with a 10k+ feedback buyer,. I still wonder if they even have it.
Closed at $770.
Pretty active buyer. 1146 bids in the last 30 days with only 2% with this seller.