I know B&M dealers that really like coins like these because they tell me this is what their YNs want.
JMHO, what's pictured in the OP are not coins. items like that have not been needed in the past to bring new collectors to the Hobby or encourage collectors to continue. if the state of things has really fallen to this level then we are in trouble. personally, I don't spend any time at all worrying about where the Hobby is headed or how I can encourage collecting in children or young adults. either someone is interested in Numismatics or they aren't, I don't see "interest" as something you can force into someone.
we will be OK, the mere fact that money is involved assures me that our pass-time is safe.
We give oit coins to yn's at every show just about. And if a kid seems really interested in a particular subject like errors or a specific coin we will get there parents to give us there address and send the yn a book that corresponds to there major interest like a cherry picker. Or a book specifically about the coin they are most interested in
Just give some classic coins to kids. Buffalo nickels and such. It’s really all that’s needed. If they have the “bug”, that will be enough. If not, nothing you do can create it.
The same is true for 35-40 year old new collectors.
Also, don’t give slabs. Holding the coins is very important to kiddos, at least if mine are any indication.
@keets said: I know B&M dealers that really like coins like these because they tell me this is what their YNs want.
JMHO, what's pictured in the OP are not coins. items like that have not been needed in the past to bring new collectors to the Hobby or encourage collectors to continue. if the state of things has really fallen to this level then we are in trouble. personally, I don't spend any time at all worrying about where the Hobby is headed or how I can encourage collecting in children or young adults. either someone is interested in Numismatics or they aren't, I don't see "interest" as something you can force into someone.
we will be OK, the mere fact that money is involved assures me that our pass-time is safe.
These are certainly NCLT, and do not circulate as coinage. It's interesting now many non-circulating coins people like, including ASEs / AGEs, proofs, and to some degree MS Morgans.
I think the B&M owners like the revenue these bring in. I wonder how much these impact their bottomline?
@Walkerfan said:
To me....Those aren't coins.....They are novelty items, although I'm sure that they have SOME type of monetary value. I doubt that anything like this would ever get a little girl or boy interested in U.S. Classic coinage. So, YES, that is going TOO FAR, IMHO. Those aren't even U.S. They are from a South Pacific Island Country.
My dad, who got me started on coins, is worse than me, as he even HATES Silver Eagles, b/c they are not meant for commerce. I can appreciate Silver Eagles but he detests them. He says that they are just BULLION made for Bullion collectors. He thinks that the prices for MS 70 examples are absurd. LOL
The older you get, the smarter dad gets.
It goes like this,
By the time I realized everything my father told me was right, I have a son that thinks I’m wrong. I find a lot of truth in that statement.
I miss my dad and I love my son.
The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
if you want to give a YN something give them a wheat penny or silver dime
not junk like this but real coins that were used by everyday people back when the coin was made
having a old coin makes one wonder who held this coin, what did they use it for, where did it go after being used, and such
@Walkerfan said:
To me....Those aren't coins.....They are novelty items, although I'm sure that they have SOME type of monetary value. I doubt that anything like this would ever get a little girl or boy interested in U.S. Classic coinage. So, YES, that is going TOO FAR, IMHO. Those aren't even U.S. They are from a South Pacific Island Country.
My dad, who got me started on coins, is worse than me, as he even HATES Silver Eagles, b/c they are not meant for commerce. I can appreciate Silver Eagles but he detests them. He says that they are just BULLION made for Bullion collectors. He thinks that the prices for MS 70 examples are absurd. LOL
The older you get, the smarter dad gets.
It goes like this,
By the time I realized everything my father told me was right, I have a son that thinks I’m wrong. I find a lot of truth in that statement.
I miss my dad and I love my son.
The smartest thing I heard a father say to his young son who still believed everything he said, was that one day his son will think everything he says is wrong!
World coins... Not foreign coins... Unless coins are a foreign concept to you.
There are low mintage modern world coins. Calling some rare really depends on the surviving population and ultimately the number of people who seek them. We will learn to appreciate that as the world changes, so will the scope of numismatic interests.
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
I got a like for this Knights of the Coin Table piece too. The horse and castle were mentioned as the highlights. It's 51mm.
I had a couple of dies on my desk and was asked to explain what they were, so I picked this up as the sample piece to be struck by the dies in my explanation.
@erwindoc said:
Oh my goodness, I just looked at some of these on eBay and the premium/price for an ounce of silver is HUGE!!!! I have a 9 year old daughter and thought it might be a good item to add to her collection that I started collecting with her.
And they sell too!
I think what helps is my kids see coins on my desk and ask me whaat they are. At this point, this are still curious.
I have two young daughters. I have no idea if they will take interest in the hobby some day, but I know that if they do, it wouldn’t be because of my giving them colorized kid themed coins. Rather it would be because of the time and experience we spend together sharing the hobby.
I also can say that those colorized Frozen coins in a slab would be good for about 12 seconds of interest, then they’d go in a box.
If you want to give a child something to spark an interest, make it intellectually challenging. An old coin with a design they’ve never seen. A variety or error that makes it different. A circulated coin they can hold without a plastic barrier. A coin that connects to history. A coin from a country they are studying in school.
I would not start with a slabbed coin and for heavens sake, would never start with discussion of top populations or grades.
@Nap said:
If you want to give a child something to spark an interest, make it intellectually challenging. An old coin with a design they’ve never seen. A variety or error that makes it different. A circulated coin they can hold without a plastic barrier. A coin that connects to history. A coin from a country they are studying in school.
I don't think you can predict what is going to capture a kid's attention. The funny thing is that what got my interest as a kid was when my Dad gave me a huge silver coin in a NCLT holder. I still have it and it's in the original Mint holder. I had silver half dollars, Mercury dimes, buffalo nickels, but it was the large piece of silver that captured my attention. I did have a silver blue envelope Eisenhower dollar as a kid, but never a Morgan or Peace dollar. I also had a lot of foreign circulation coins from my Dad's travels. However, it was the size and thickness of this that captured my attention. I think it’s like 1.5x the thickness of an Ike dollar.
I think the issue with US coins when I was a kid was that I knew my coins weren't very old and I just didn't have the budget to buy many coins so I could only wait for gifts. My dream coin as a kid was a Barber half which I only saw in coin magazines, but I don't recall ever getting one, or if I did, it was really low condition that I didn't think about it. An unc Barber half would have captured my attention, but it's a pretty pricey coin. I still don't have one to this day though I have many other coins now, including 3-5 CBHs.
When I was much older, my Dad did give me a Morgan which was probably a G4 raw coin. He's given me many coins and I should return the favor. I'm thinking of giving him a PCGS MS66 Morgan for his next birthday. I think some PCGS MS64s could be very impressive for him but I like the idea of giving him a “gem” coin. I’ll give him one of my CBHs too as it’s much older than a Morgan.
@Coinosaurus said:
Prediction - the next generation will be less driven by date/mintmark set completion.
Don't discount the power of the registry set.
But to a certain extent, I think it already is. Simpson collects sets but mentions he's not a hole filler, focusing on eye appeal. Pogue's last coins were more of a type set than anything else (high condition and low condition). I don't focus on date/mm completion at all. I tend to prefer toned coins and absolute rarity tokens/medals.
To my mind "encouragement" for young collectors has nothing to do with steering them and little to do with educating them.
"Encouragement" is principally sharing their passion and showing them your own. If they collect old gold or beanie babies try to learn all about how, why, when and everything applicable about their collecting interests and motivation. And share your own as they express interest- -which they will.
We have the greatest hobby in the world and a whole nation of people with lots of free time for hobbies. We have hundreds of billions of little calling card circulating just about everywhere. We don't really need to "recruit" collectors we need to encourage them, learn from them, and try to see the hobby through fresh eyes. New collectors will spring up like flowers in May if we don't plow them under or over-fertilize.
My 7 and 4 y/o daughters enjoy rainbow toned coins of any series or country. My 15 and 10 y/o son's do not show much interest besides the occasional, "that looks cool" comment. Unless I can keep my daughters showing interest the hobby will end with me.
@AlanSki said:
My 7 and 4 y/o daughters enjoy rainbow toned coins of any series or country. My 15 and 10 y/o son's do not show much interest besides the occasional, "that looks cool" comment. Unless I can keep my daughters showing interest the hobby will end with me.
I wouldn't worry if they don't show much interest. Just give a coin over the holidays and leave it at that. When they are settled down after college, career, etc., they will come back or they won't. I'm guessing I showed almost zero interest in coins from 10-15 but my Dad would keep on giving me a small coin on occasion (not every year which might be too much, but every few years). I happened to really enjoy art and sculpture fro 10 to 15 which helps now.
If you want first dibs on new low mintage Royal Canadian mint release's, and lowest COA's you need to join Royal Canadian mint master members club. It's a minimum $1,000 CDN a year spent on their releases, up to $10K for highest level.
@hammer1 said:
If you want first dibs on new low mintage Royal Canadian mint release's, and lowest COA's you need to join Royal Canadian mint master members club. It's a minimum $1,000 CDN a year spent on their releases, up to $10K for highest level.
Update. I look at photos of coins on my computer a lot. My kids don't usually comment on them, but I was just looking at this one and got a "Rainbow" reaction! "Big rainbow" and "small rainbow".
It's interesting that this one is recognized as a "rainbow" but a lot of other colorful coins (that collectors call rainbows) I show don't get this reaction. Do kids know something we don’t??
When the pandemic started my high school going son was at home growing very fidgety while his older two brothers were frontline workers. So to keep him occupied, pulled out the jar of coins that I had been collecting for a little over two decades and never had the time to sort.
By the time we finished the exercise, he had almost finished the P & D quarters sets of 50 states and made great progress on the ATB's.
This encouraged him more and was soon picking up the finer aspects of the hobby in very little time. Took him for his first LCS visit when the covid restrictions eased a bit and allowed him to pick up whatever he wanted even though I would weigh in on the pros and cons.
He picked up Englehard silver bullion, starnotes and so on, amongst various other things and one such purchase was the 1964 Lincoln penny which I tried to convince him not to buy for 15$ but he did it nevertheless just because of getting carried away with the MS70 grade.
It was surely quite a few lessons learnt with that purchase because he realized that all TPGs were not the same etc. , but somehow managed to turn it around and sell it on eBay for a profit. That was a good thing as well as not so savory moment for me because he soon became very adept at flipping things for a profit and made quite a bit of profit from my duplicate morgans and such
I would leave my collection to him but am sure that he may just sell it all for profit. Not much of choices for me because my older two college going kids on the other hand don't want anything to do with the hobby.
The penny that taught my kid a lot of lessons is picture below.
@Zoins said:
I know B&M dealers that really like coins like these because they tell me this is what their YNs want.
Would you gift coins like these, or would you wait till they can appreciate classic coins?
With a PCGS pop of 2/0, this is a super rare, top pop set.
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We don’t have any kids but my niece and nephew are interested. My niece more so.
But they are in their 40’s. I will leave certain ones to each and probably sell the rest.
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As to the item that is original posted it goes beyond my comprehension of why they would slab
these with almost no trouble at all and not update their files on the GMM pieces that I submitted a year or so back. Yes they graded mine but no attribution……so basically worthless. Yes, I gave letters from Ron explaining everything but, no luck….
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Sorry to take go off on a tangent @Zoins but things like this chap my arse.
Just as there are lots of different potential YN's, attracting them to coin collecting requires lots of different angles and approaches. The Frozen coins and the like will attract some, good looking toners will get the attention of others, classic ' cheap' novelties with a neat story (like Racketeer Nickels or 1943 Lincolns) are a good hook, world coins - there's endless themes, sizes, metals, etc (and can be done on a small budget) - a great invitation to numismatics.
Linking coins to specific history/social studies lessons is another good way to introduce coins. My 8th grade would cover the Bland Silver Act for instance, I'd bring in a few Morgan dollars and they were very interested. They could hold some of the silver they had just read about. (and of course tell me the O mint mark looked like the eagle was laying an egg,..... or other things!)
I'm not a fan of a lot of novelty stuff, but for YNs, it has its place.
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I know B&M dealers that really like coins like these because they tell me this is what their YNs want.
JMHO, what's pictured in the OP are not coins. items like that have not been needed in the past to bring new collectors to the Hobby or encourage collectors to continue. if the state of things has really fallen to this level then we are in trouble. personally, I don't spend any time at all worrying about where the Hobby is headed or how I can encourage collecting in children or young adults. either someone is interested in Numismatics or they aren't, I don't see "interest" as something you can force into someone.
we will be OK, the mere fact that money is involved assures me that our pass-time is safe.
We give oit coins to yn's at every show just about. And if a kid seems really interested in a particular subject like errors or a specific coin we will get there parents to give us there address and send the yn a book that corresponds to there major interest like a cherry picker. Or a book specifically about the coin they are most interested in
HAPPY COLLECTING
Just give some classic coins to kids. Buffalo nickels and such. It’s really all that’s needed. If they have the “bug”, that will be enough. If not, nothing you do can create it.
The same is true for 35-40 year old new collectors.
Also, don’t give slabs. Holding the coins is very important to kiddos, at least if mine are any indication.
These are certainly NCLT, and do not circulate as coinage. It's interesting now many non-circulating coins people like, including ASEs / AGEs, proofs, and to some degree MS Morgans.
I think the B&M owners like the revenue these bring in. I wonder how much these impact their bottomline?
It's quite disappointing that garbage is in the same brand holder as some of the most incredible coinage known.
Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.
Our hosts are in the business of making money for some reason the Chevette and the Corvette come to mind
It goes like this,
By the time I realized everything my father told me was right, I have a son that thinks I’m wrong. I find a lot of truth in that statement.
I miss my dad and I love my son.
if you want to give a YN something give them a wheat penny or silver dime
not junk like this but real coins that were used by everyday people back when the coin was made
having a old coin makes one wonder who held this coin, what did they use it for, where did it go after being used, and such
Coins for sale at link below
https://photos.google.com/album/AF1QipOVMv7FZDb2BvqQnSIUKnelz2nhX9TVEMcKHgHm
The smartest thing I heard a father say to his young son who still believed everything he said, was that one day his son will think everything he says is wrong!
Especially if they're continually told that what they like is wrong because they're not "real coins".
World coins... Not foreign coins... Unless coins are a foreign concept to you.
There are low mintage modern world coins. Calling some rare really depends on the surviving population and ultimately the number of people who seek them. We will learn to appreciate that as the world changes, so will the scope of numismatic interests.
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
I’m more interested in getting these 20-35 year old bullion stackers into coins besides BU Morgans.
How the aitch do you grade something like that?
There sure are a lot of people into silver rounds, so BU Morgans are at least legal tender.
I got a like for this Knights of the Coin Table piece too. The horse and castle were mentioned as the highlights. It's 51mm.
I had a couple of dies on my desk and was asked to explain what they were, so I picked this up as the sample piece to be struck by the dies in my explanation.
And they sell too!
I think what helps is my kids see coins on my desk and ask me whaat they are. At this point, this are still curious.
I have two young daughters. I have no idea if they will take interest in the hobby some day, but I know that if they do, it wouldn’t be because of my giving them colorized kid themed coins. Rather it would be because of the time and experience we spend together sharing the hobby.
I also can say that those colorized Frozen coins in a slab would be good for about 12 seconds of interest, then they’d go in a box.
If you want to give a child something to spark an interest, make it intellectually challenging. An old coin with a design they’ve never seen. A variety or error that makes it different. A circulated coin they can hold without a plastic barrier. A coin that connects to history. A coin from a country they are studying in school.
I would not start with a slabbed coin and for heavens sake, would never start with discussion of top populations or grades.
I don't think you can predict what is going to capture a kid's attention. The funny thing is that what got my interest as a kid was when my Dad gave me a huge silver coin in a NCLT holder. I still have it and it's in the original Mint holder. I had silver half dollars, Mercury dimes, buffalo nickels, but it was the large piece of silver that captured my attention. I did have a silver blue envelope Eisenhower dollar as a kid, but never a Morgan or Peace dollar. I also had a lot of foreign circulation coins from my Dad's travels. However, it was the size and thickness of this that captured my attention. I think it’s like 1.5x the thickness of an Ike dollar.
I think the issue with US coins when I was a kid was that I knew my coins weren't very old and I just didn't have the budget to buy many coins so I could only wait for gifts. My dream coin as a kid was a Barber half which I only saw in coin magazines, but I don't recall ever getting one, or if I did, it was really low condition that I didn't think about it. An unc Barber half would have captured my attention, but it's a pretty pricey coin. I still don't have one to this day though I have many other coins now, including 3-5 CBHs.
When I was much older, my Dad did give me a Morgan which was probably a G4 raw coin. He's given me many coins and I should return the favor. I'm thinking of giving him a PCGS MS66 Morgan for his next birthday. I think some PCGS MS64s could be very impressive for him but I like the idea of giving him a “gem” coin. I’ll give him one of my CBHs too as it’s much older than a Morgan.
Prediction - the next generation will be less driven by date/mintmark set completion.
Don't discount the power of the registry set.
But to a certain extent, I think it already is. Simpson collects sets but mentions he's not a hole filler, focusing on eye appeal. Pogue's last coins were more of a type set than anything else (high condition and low condition). I don't focus on date/mm completion at all. I tend to prefer toned coins and absolute rarity tokens/medals.
Yes. And they'll consider coins not made of silver and gold to be small change instead of garbage.
What a drag...They left out the best character.
My Saint Set
To my mind "encouragement" for young collectors has nothing to do with steering them and little to do with educating them.
"Encouragement" is principally sharing their passion and showing them your own. If they collect old gold or beanie babies try to learn all about how, why, when and everything applicable about their collecting interests and motivation. And share your own as they express interest- -which they will.
We have the greatest hobby in the world and a whole nation of people with lots of free time for hobbies. We have hundreds of billions of little calling card circulating just about everywhere. We don't really need to "recruit" collectors we need to encourage them, learn from them, and try to see the hobby through fresh eyes. New collectors will spring up like flowers in May if we don't plow them under or over-fertilize.
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Wrong kids movie about winter
Yipes....it was Ice Age....
I know an expert I should have consulted 1st.
Same person who helps me with my cell phone settings
My Saint Set
My 7 and 4 y/o daughters enjoy rainbow toned coins of any series or country. My 15 and 10 y/o son's do not show much interest besides the occasional, "that looks cool" comment. Unless I can keep my daughters showing interest the hobby will end with me.
I wouldn't worry if they don't show much interest. Just give a coin over the holidays and leave it at that. When they are settled down after college, career, etc., they will come back or they won't. I'm guessing I showed almost zero interest in coins from 10-15 but my Dad would keep on giving me a small coin on occasion (not every year which might be too much, but every few years). I happened to really enjoy art and sculpture fro 10 to 15 which helps now.
You can lead a horse to water.... Might as well let him lick a salt block for a while, first. It will make him thirst.
If you want first dibs on new low mintage Royal Canadian mint release's, and lowest COA's you need to join Royal Canadian mint master members club. It's a minimum $1,000 CDN a year spent on their releases, up to $10K for highest level.
Are the members all dealers?
I gave the grandkids common PCGS slabbed $20 gold pieces. I don't know if that will stimulate any interest - they do love their iPads.
Update. I look at photos of coins on my computer a lot. My kids don't usually comment on them, but I was just looking at this one and got a "Rainbow" reaction! "Big rainbow" and "small rainbow".
It's interesting that this one is recognized as a "rainbow" but a lot of other colorful coins (that collectors call rainbows) I show don't get this reaction. Do kids know something we don’t??
As I will pass on all of my collections, the receiver will either be a collector, seller or both.
Wayne
Kennedys are my quest...
My opinion is that YN's have to happen on their own. One that is "created" is rare.
Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.
When the pandemic started my high school going son was at home growing very fidgety while his older two brothers were frontline workers. So to keep him occupied, pulled out the jar of coins that I had been collecting for a little over two decades and never had the time to sort.
By the time we finished the exercise, he had almost finished the P & D quarters sets of 50 states and made great progress on the ATB's.
This encouraged him more and was soon picking up the finer aspects of the hobby in very little time. Took him for his first LCS visit when the covid restrictions eased a bit and allowed him to pick up whatever he wanted even though I would weigh in on the pros and cons.
He picked up Englehard silver bullion, starnotes and so on, amongst various other things and one such purchase was the 1964 Lincoln penny which I tried to convince him not to buy for 15$ but he did it nevertheless just because of getting carried away with the MS70 grade.
It was surely quite a few lessons learnt with that purchase because he realized that all TPGs were not the same etc. , but somehow managed to turn it around and sell it on eBay for a profit. That was a good thing as well as not so savory moment for me because he soon became very adept at flipping things for a profit and made quite a bit of profit from my duplicate morgans and such
I would leave my collection to him but am sure that he may just sell it all for profit. Not much of choices for me because my older two college going kids on the other hand don't want anything to do with the hobby.
The penny that taught my kid a lot of lessons is picture below.
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/quarters/PCGS-2020-quarter-quest/album/247091
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We don’t have any kids but my niece and nephew are interested. My niece more so.
But they are in their 40’s. I will leave certain ones to each and probably sell the rest.
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As to the item that is original posted it goes beyond my comprehension of why they would slab
these with almost no trouble at all and not update their files on the GMM pieces that I submitted a year or so back. Yes they graded mine but no attribution……so basically worthless. Yes, I gave letters from Ron explaining everything but, no luck….
.
Sorry to take go off on a tangent @Zoins but things like this chap my arse.
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CoinsAreFun Toned Silver Eagle Proof Album
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Gallery Mint Museum, Ron Landis& Joe Rust, The beginnings of the Golden Dollar
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More CoinsAreFun Pictorials NGC
I make cash donations to the ANA annually.
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
Bob Simpson and Brent Pogue had pretty good YN origin stories.
NLI
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/date-sets/hashtags-prefect-coin-grading-service-1879/album/7621
Just as there are lots of different potential YN's, attracting them to coin collecting requires lots of different angles and approaches. The Frozen coins and the like will attract some, good looking toners will get the attention of others, classic ' cheap' novelties with a neat story (like Racketeer Nickels or 1943 Lincolns) are a good hook, world coins - there's endless themes, sizes, metals, etc (and can be done on a small budget) - a great invitation to numismatics.
Linking coins to specific history/social studies lessons is another good way to introduce coins. My 8th grade would cover the Bland Silver Act for instance, I'd bring in a few Morgan dollars and they were very interested. They could hold some of the silver they had just read about. (and of course tell me the O mint mark looked like the eagle was laying an egg,..... or other things!)
I'm not a fan of a lot of novelty stuff, but for YNs, it has its place.