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1972-P Kennedy Half - Machine Doubling or DDO

VTchaserVTchaser Posts: 309 ✭✭✭

I see this fairly often on the "2" of 1972, so I'm assuming it is machine doubling. Can someone let me know what they think?

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  • TurtleCatTurtleCat Posts: 4,628 ✭✭✭✭✭

    To my eyes it looks like die deterioration machine doubling.

  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like mechanical doubling to me, there is a nice DDO known for the date but your coin does not match it.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yep... Machine doubling....check the CPG for the true DD's...Cheers, RickO

  • VTchaserVTchaser Posts: 309 ✭✭✭

    Thanks guys!

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  • VTchaserVTchaser Posts: 309 ✭✭✭

    The other question i have, is on some 1971 and 1972 coins, it appears the bridge of the nose doesn't connect to the face. It looks like it's either wear or the strike wasn't heavy enough. See below for a crappy example.

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  • segojasegoja Posts: 6,141 ✭✭✭✭

    Note the shelf like appearance.

    Real doubling is rounded

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  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @VTchaser said:
    The other question i have, is on some 1971 and 1972 coins, it appears the bridge of the nose doesn't connect to the face. It looks like it's either wear or the strike wasn't heavy enough. See below for a crappy example.

    The coin appears to be struck from a die that's been over-polished. The lack of detail is due to the surface of the die being polished away. The most 'famous' example of this is the 1937-D '3-Leg' Buffalo nickel.

    Since the bridge of the nose is shallow on the coin, which means it's closer to the surface of the die, it will be polished away first. A 'soft strike' would generally show a lack of details on the highest part of the coin (i.e. lowest part of the die).

    Keep looking!

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  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MD

  • TitusFlaviusTitusFlavius Posts: 321 ✭✭✭

    @VTchaser said:
    The other question i have, is on some 1971 and 1972 coins, it appears the bridge of the nose doesn't connect to the face. It looks like it's either wear or the strike wasn't heavy enough. See below for a crappy example.

    This is probably the result of an over-polished die. Dies were polished to remove clash marks, and other minor damage, to keep them in service longer. When done to excess, this could actually remove parts of the coin's design. The effect differs from wear, or a weak strike, because it affects low relief details first (those closer to the field, as opposed to the high points of the design). This is because the design is reversed in the die, so the lower points of the design on the coin are the highest in the die, and thus the first to be effaced by excessive polishing. The same phenomenon is responsible for the famous 3-legged buffalo nickel, and the 1922 no-D Lincoln cent.

    Outside of those two extreme examples, over-polished dies usually don't add any value, but are an interesting artifact of a coin's production.

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  • VTchaserVTchaser Posts: 309 ✭✭✭

    I'm still learning, so thanks for the info guys! Glad to be here.

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  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 7,012 ✭✭✭✭✭

    agree on md and die wear
    keep looking as there are many Kennedy's with doubling still in circulation and OGP sets
    :)

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