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Hey Slab Collectors! Is ACG or Blanchard considered rare?

MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited April 24, 2020 3:14PM in U.S. Coin Forum

I passed on a couple St. Gaudens today - mostly because I'm broke ... but 1 was 1924 an Accu-grade slab graded MS63 and the other was 1907 in a Blanchard slab graded MS62.

I know they're fairly scarce these days but are they collected?

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  • GluggoGluggo Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Rare maybe but I know the Accugrade they want a few hundred more bucks because of the plastic. Probably why I never bought one or I think I did not buy one . Let me look at my picture file. Not sure about the other one got a pic?

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  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 8,941 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 24, 2020 3:15PM

    I still have some ACG slabs, and would buy any I find if they are the old large 4in X 6in (or thereabouts) slabs if the price and coin were right. Although I would be very hesitant to buy gold coins in an ACG slab unless I know how to spot processed gold coins better. I've never seen any by a Blanchette company and my quick internet search turned up nothing.

    AT the local coin show (when it happens again) there is an older gentleman that has some very expensive (5K to 10K) coins in ACG slabs, he has had those coins in his case for as many years as I can remember. They are coins I don't know well enough to be able to tell real vs fake and processed or not, he is a nice guy to talk to though.

    Edited to add: Blanchard is/was a bullion company that would self slab their coins but didn't except coins from the public I believe.

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  • MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks Goldbuddy.
    I had Blanchette instead of Blanchard - that's why I couldn't find anything searching.
    I updated the initial question - My shop was asking $1875 each and I couldn't decide if there was any upside other than the gold inside.

  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 16,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Meltdown said:
    Thanks Goldbuddy.
    I had Blanchette instead of Blanchard - that's why I couldn't find anything searching.
    I updated the initial question - My shop was asking $1875 each and I couldn't decide if there was any upside other than the gold inside.

    I can see how you got Blanchette. Planchet must have been on your mind. :)

    Goldbuddy.

  • android01android01 Posts: 306 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Funny a thread with Accugrade would come up as I was about to open a new thread. Can anyone tell me what generation and year this Accugrade Slab is?


  • android01android01 Posts: 306 ✭✭✭✭✭

    From my experience Accugrade is "over grade" . Not accurate . I have a couple of gold coins in accugrade .

    Couldn't agree more about the grading. The Ike in this holder would just about make PF64 on a good day.

  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 8,941 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1peter1223 said:
    The slabs themselves are not rare . I have many accugrade and a few Blanchard .

    From my experience Accugrade is "over grade" . Not accurate . I have a couple of gold coins in accugrade .

    The Blanchard coins i have seem to be more appropriately graded .
    I am going by the coins i currently have .

    From my experience there is not any substantial premium on those 2 holder types .

    Not like the NGC 2.0, 2.1 , Doily , etc .

    As a general rule ACG did grade on the liberal side, however as with anything there are exceptions. I crossed this WQ many years ago, I was hoping for a one point bump but didn't happen, was ACG MS64 now NGC MS64

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  • rickoricko Posts: 93,717 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I used to see ACG holders frequently at shows around Seattle... I do not recall seeing any Blanchard slabs though....I have seen them referenced here on the forum before. Cheers, RickO

  • Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have a bunch of each, they were cheap and priced a lot lower than PCGS and NGC for the same grade. I never thought they would become collectable !!! :)

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  • WingsruleWingsrule Posts: 2,956 ✭✭✭

    @android01,

    Conder101 shows it as type ACG 7 in his book but does not have any date info.

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 22,802 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I base valuations of "rare" slabs on the amount of premium my local dealers pay for such items:

    Premium paid = ZERO.

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  • android01android01 Posts: 306 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Wingsrule said:
    @android01,

    Conder101 shows it as type ACG 7 in his book but does not have any date info.

    Thanks!

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 9,875 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ACG ... seem them around.

  • nk1nknk1nk Posts: 460 ✭✭✭

    not a slab but I picked up several of these 5 pesos rolls recently, seller says they haven’t been opened since coming from Blanchard 30 years ago and after opening 2 of them the tape is a [email protected]$! So I’m pretty confident he’s correct. I’m sure it doesn’t make them any more valuable but still pretty cool in my opinion.



  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 4,324 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 26, 2020 7:55AM

    Certain Accugrade and Blanchard holders have a premium (certain offices of Accugrade, decimal graded ones, samples, and a few others). Most however have no premium and often even sell for a discount to the top tpg graded slabs in the same grade.

    Also, the more expensive the coin, the less likely the ACG or Blanchard holder will have a premium (most that have the big premiums tend to have sub $100 coins in them).

  • BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Blanchard is an FPG (First Party Grader) - they graded and slabbed their own coins for sale to their customers. They are still around.

    ACG Iowa is one of two+ franchises operating at the same time (California being the other). Accugrade also consulted on slab design and also did turn-key operations. Finally, they would encapsulate for a fee (you sent them the labels and coins and they slabbed them in the shells).

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  • coinJPcoinJP Posts: 10,635 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow thanks for posting those old ads!

  • android01android01 Posts: 306 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinJP said:
    Wow thanks for posting those old ads!

    I agree! It sure looks like ACG moved around a lot!

  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,250 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 26, 2020 8:14PM

    Both slabs would have a lot more collectibility today if both companies had been known to be consistently accurate and conservative. At that time they were around, neither was legitimate competition to the main TPG's. Who cares who came up with the first slabs. I care about who came up with the first slabs that were conservatively graded...and that was PCGS / NGC from mid-1986 to mid-1988. NGC was ridiculously conservative when they first opened up in later '87/early '88.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 30,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Deservedly rare......

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  • BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So here you go, a bog-standard Blanchard. Interesting only in the relatively low value (maybe $33 retail) coin, a 1963 Franklin:

    How about this one?? We now know where the Blanchard slabs spent at least some of their time afterwards...

    (With the laser printed label, the PandaAmerica coin is clearly later...)

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  • AlanSkiAlanSki Posts: 994 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Look for Hallmark slabs. Those are pretty rare.

    Complain about this. :D

  • Klif50Klif50 Posts: 526 ✭✭✭

    If you remember back to the early days of AGC and the first slabbing going on, AGC maintained that they developed their own grading scale and it did not directly relate to the scale that other slabbing agencies were using. Thus an AGC MS65 does not directly related to PCGS 65 or ANACS 65. They also stated that their grading scale did not directly relate to Dr. Sheldons scale and that theirs was their own proprietary scale.

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 43,253 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Klif50 said:
    If you remember back to the early days of AGC and the first slabbing going on, AGC maintained that they developed their own grading scale and it did not directly relate to the scale that other slabbing agencies were using. Thus an AGC MS65 does not directly related to PCGS 65 or ANACS 65. They also stated that their grading scale did not directly relate to Dr. Sheldons scale and that theirs was their own proprietary scale.

    Did you mean ACG (Accugrade)?

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  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's unfortunate that ACG was and is common. I refer to them as the Astigmatism, Cataracts, and Glaucoma grading service.

  • OPAOPA Posts: 16,916 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @koynekwest said:
    It's unfortunate that ACG was and is common. I refer to them as the Astigmatism, Cataracts, and Glaucoma grading service.

    Did you mean to say: Awful Coin Graders... ;)

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  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yeah-that too.

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