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1955 double die penny ?

wroclaw1220wroclaw1220 Posts: 16
edited April 18, 2020 4:40AM in U.S. Coin Forum

Greetings everybody
I have this 1955 penny
is it worth to grade it ?
Thank you
Jerry

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  • TennesseeDaveTennesseeDave Posts: 4,780 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 18, 2020 4:42AM

    That is exactly the type of coin that needs to be authenticated and graded due to the amount of fakes that are out there. There should be someone here that may be able to help you authenticate it from your pictures. Good luck.
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @wroclaw1220 ....Welcome aboard.... Yes, you should have it graded and slabbed....While not a high grade specimen, it will command a good premium once authenticated. Cheers, RickO

  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,683 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am pretty sure that is not genuine, but maybe somebody else can chime in

  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nope
    Compare

    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,168 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 18, 2020 5:04AM

    The real ones have two vertical die polish lines that cross just to the left side of the vertical upright of the T in CENT. You'll need a good loupe or magnifier and good lighting to see it.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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  • KliaoKliao Posts: 5,562 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 18, 2020 5:19AM

    Looks fake to me
    Something about Lincoln’s face looks off

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  • From your statements it is a fake. I will toss it to garbage.
    Thank you guys for answering my question
    Jerry

  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 18, 2020 5:33AM

    Excellent pic and demonstration Jimnight

    Knowledge before writing a check is paramount.

    The King of all Doubled Dies, the 1955 DDO-001 is a CCW rotated class one doubled die.
    That means it is rotated counter clockwise. The second or heavier strike shows to the left or counter clockwise.

    Look at the word LIBERTY in my genuine example vs the coin in the OP.

    You don't need to look at anything else.

    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hope my pics show it but to further the point of knowing what to look for:
    2 opposite rotations.
    The 1955 DDO-001, The King, shows strong CCW or counter clockwise class one rotation.
    The 1972 DDO-001 shows strong CW or clockwise class one rotation.

    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like "Smirking Lincoln" Rarestuff
    I used to always call this fake the Lincoln with goiter fake :)

    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • I purchased for cash 1 oz gold bar ,The Perth Mint from guy on the Craigslist List , he added this penny as a gift.
    Now I am worrying if the bar is also fake

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,168 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @wroclaw1220 said:
    I purchased for cash 1 oz gold bar ,The Perth Mint from guy on the Craigslist List , he added this penny as a gift.
    Now I am worrying if the bar is also fake

    There are many fake gold bars coming out of china these days. Can you post good pics of your gold bar?

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @wroclaw1220 said:
    I purchased for cash 1 oz gold bar ,The Perth Mint from guy on the Craigslist List , he added this penny as a gift.
    Now I am worrying if the bar is also fake

    If it was a gift, he knew it was a fake.

    I'd still keep it, nice example of a fake DoubleD die.

    Frank

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  • Here it is


  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,358 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @wroclaw1220 said:
    From your statements it is a fake. I will toss it to garbage.
    Thank you guys for answering my question
    Jerry

    You could keep it for reference. It's a good educational tool. Just saying

  • skier07skier07 Posts: 3,975 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @wroclaw1220 said:
    I purchased for cash 1 oz gold bar ,The Perth Mint from guy on the Craigslist List , he added this penny as a gift.
    Now I am worrying if the bar is also fake

    Don’t buy raw coins, gold bars, etc. on Craigslist unless you are very experienced and even then it’s risky.

  • orevilleoreville Posts: 11,977 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Excellent teaching thread!

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  • orevilleoreville Posts: 11,977 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Excellent teaching thread!

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  • orevilleoreville Posts: 11,977 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Use Craiglist to locate old NGC or PCGS slabs.

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  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I wouldn't be confident in the bar, either. Good luck.

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,349 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Craigslist, cash, gold bar ... talk about asking for trouble.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • KliaoKliao Posts: 5,562 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 18, 2020 12:49PM

    That bar in my opinion is also fake unfortunately. The bar seems to be unusually extremely thick which is what counterfeiters do to make the bar weigh correctly.

    This is what I was able to see based off a APMEX photo. The ears on the kangaroo are also not long enough on your bar. These bars are struck like coins so they shouldn’t have this big of differences.
    Yours on right APMEX on left.

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  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @johnny9434 said:

    @wroclaw1220 said:
    From your statements it is a fake. I will toss it to garbage.
    Thank you guys for answering my question
    Jerry

    You could keep it for reference. It's a good educational tool. Just saying

    Best idea I've heard yet.

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Kliao said:
    That bar in my opinion is also fake unfortunately. The bar seems to be unusually extremely thick which is what counterfeiters do to make the bar weigh correctly.

    This is what I was able to see based off a APMEX photo. The ears on the kangaroo are also not long enough on your bar.
    Yours on right APMEX on left.

    I believe you are right.

  • I have seller personal info , even his picture but no proof of paying cash .
    He refuses to reverse the deal ,
    so i lost my hard earn money

  • ReadyFireAimReadyFireAim Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 18, 2020 1:33PM

    Before panicking, I'd cut it out of the package and measure it with calipers or take it to a place where they have a PMV
    device.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0De1GtrW2I

  • KliaoKliao Posts: 5,562 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ReadyFireAim said:
    Before panicking, I'd cut it out of the package and measure it with calipers or take it to a place where they have a PMV
    device.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0De1GtrW2I

    During times like this I doubt that there are shops that have a PMV device that are still open.

    If you have a scale you can measure the density or specific gravity at home. There are many videos on YouTube that show you how to do this.

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  • ReadyFireAimReadyFireAim Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Kliao said:
    During times like this I doubt that there are shops that have a PMV device that are still open.
    If you have a scale you can measure the density or specific gravity at home. There are many videos on YouTube that show >you how to do this.

    Many do not want to cut the packaging and this is the only way that I know of not to do that.
    Personally...I'd cut, weigh & measure.

  • If the PMV test proves the bar is fake ,
    then what ?

  • BarberianBarberian Posts: 3,590 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's a fake. Call the cops! Craigslist is full of crooks like this guy.

    3 rim nicks away from Good
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,349 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @wroclaw1220 said:
    If the PMV test proves the bar is fake ,
    then what ?

    You are probably out of luck since not only do you apparently have no receipt, but the package would have been opened and the seller could claim the contents had been switched. You just learned a very expensive lesson.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Good luck!

  • KliaoKliao Posts: 5,562 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 18, 2020 3:29PM

    @291fifth said:

    @wroclaw1220 said:
    If the PMV test proves the bar is fake ,
    then what ?

    You are probably out of luck since not only do you apparently have no receipt, but the package would have been opened and the seller could claim the contents had been switched. You just learned a very expensive lesson.

    It is possible to test the bar with a PMV or use an X-ray without breaking the bar out of the package

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  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,527 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @wroclaw1220 said:
    If the PMV test proves the bar is fake ,
    then what ?

    From now on only buy from reputable dealers.

  • ReadyFireAimReadyFireAim Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 18, 2020 4:15PM

    @wroclaw1220 said:
    If the PMV test proves the bar is fake ,
    then what ?

    If I'm really angry with something, I put it on the fence post in the back yard.
    Which reminds me of this.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHWAsjKsYL4

  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,683 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Bar is fake, no doubt in my mind. Unfortunate hard lesson. Only buy from reputable people/dealers, etc. Get a machine if your going to buy loose from folks on fly. The Sigma is good, not 100% foolproof, but will clear out fake stuff 99% of the time.

    Years ago, I broke down and got one, had a guy come in with 3 1 oz perth mint gold bars, I knew he was coming, so I did so fast research on the internet to see what to look for in trying to identify a fake. These looked really good to me, I was just about to pay him when he made the statement I have a lot more of these. I then said let me check one closer. I drilled it and sure enough it was no good. Thankfully I didn't loose like 5k+

    Been very cautious since then.

  • PurpleEchoPurpleEcho Posts: 139 ✭✭✭

    Dang, that sucks! I hope you can find a way to get your money back... :(

    AKA Pakasmom

  • segojasegoja Posts: 6,136 ✭✭✭✭

    How much did you pay for bar relative to spot?

    That bar looks fake to me.

    Don't cut it out. Any test with equipment can be done thru the plastic.

    Why in the world would you buy gold from a craigslist ad when you seem to be very unsure of your abilities to tell real form fake???

    Craiglist Gold and Coins = Fake Gold and Coins

    Sorry for your loss

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  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @wroclaw1220 said:
    I purchased for cash 1 oz gold bar ,The Perth Mint from guy on the Craigslist List , he added this penny as a gift.
    Now I am worrying if the bar is also fake

    Oh man, I hope not.

    Pete

    "I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,628 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I love the text on the card: "The Perth Mint tamper-evident case". :#

    Not to pile on the OP, I am not sure of the reason to buy commonly counterfeited coins or bullion on Craig's List. The only advantage might be to save a few dollars, but discount gold is just another red flag.

    The seller committed a crime. Maybe law enforcement could be convinced to do a sting operation.

    You could also sue him in small claims court. Not sure of the chances for success.

  • wroclaw1220wroclaw1220 Posts: 16
    edited April 19, 2020 2:45AM

    All contacts and negotiations was done by messaging so I have it on my cell phone but I pay with cash and have no proof , My wife was with me .
    What is really sad I kept that cash for rainy day and I just lost my job

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @wroclaw1220 said:
    All contacts and negotiations was done by messaging so I have it on my cell phone but I pay with cash and have no proof , My wife was with me .
    What is really sad I kept that cash for rainy day and I just lost my job

    I'd bring the messaging to law enforcement and let them deal with it for you.

  • I wish to place this guy picture here so everyone can see him , but most likely I will get in trouble for that

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,168 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The asking price is a small fraction of what it would be worth if it were real. That tells you all you need to know.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

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