Civil War Token Pedigrees
This is a thread to list and keep track of notable Civil War Token pedigrees / provenances. I collect Civil War Tokens and have a number from various noted collectors but don't know much about them so I figured I'd start a list and try to find out something about these notable collectors and collections.
Some names that appear in my collection include Bowers, Ford, Newman, Rossa, South, Tanenbaum, and Zabriski.
Here's an initial list from the links below. The ones with stars are the ones mentioned as notable by Hayden and in the Mark Glazer collection article, both linked below, along with QDB and Rossa.
- Robert N "Bob" Adams
- Dr. Herman Aqua
- Ken Bauer
- Mark Bendett
- Alan Bleviss
- Q. David Bowers *
- Dale Cade *
- Benj Fauver
- John Ford *
- George Fuld *
- Mark Glazer *
- Richard Gross
- Jon Harris *
- Rich Hartzog
- James Holtel *
- Bryon Kanzinger *
- Walter Korzick
- Joe Kuehnert *
- Ernie Latter
- Eric P. Newman
- Michael Parkoff (Tampa Collection?)
- Donald Groves Patrick
- Fred Reed *
- Tom Reed
- Ed Rosen *
- Rich Rossa *
- Len Rothstein
- Donald Schramm
- Henry South *
- Wayne Stafford
- Ben Swanson
- Steve Tanenbaum *
- Clifton Temple
- Charles Thobaben
- Susan Trask
- Charles Urquart *
- Doug Watson
- Cindy Wibker *
- Larkin Wilson *
- Andrew Zabriski *
Notable collections mentioned by Steve Hayden / @SteveHayden
@SteveHayden said:
I have had the pleasure (with and without Steve) of selling many important collections over the years including Charles Urquart, Larkin Wilson, James Holtel, Ed Rosen, Henry South, Bryon Kanzinger and more recently Steve Tanenbaum's Civil War Sutler token collection.
A lists of pedigrees / provenances in Mark Glazer's collection is noted to be like a Who’s Who of Patriotic Civil War tokens:
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Thanks for sharing
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It would be nice to have some info on each of these collectors.
Here's some:
People have pedigrees. Tokens/coins/paintings, etc. have provenances.
I mentioned both terms in the original post, but PCGS uses pedigree. Part of the reasoning for using the PCGS term is to get PCGS more involved in updating this info. I'll change the title when our host changes. For example:
https://www.pcgs.com/cert/85120720
Great list! Looking at the spreadsheet for my collection, here are some that are not listed:
ANA-LM, CWTS-LM, NBS, TAMS, ANS
David Schenkman is another all time great collector of civil war tokens, especially Sutlers.
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I know that many people know the difference, and sometimes it is unfortunate when incorrect terms are used in reference materials and publications. Then the error is perpetuated in perpetuity.
Thanks and added!
Is the Maumee Valley Collection notable?
At least the bulk part of The Maumee Valley Collection is infamous among a certain group of wholesale buyers with the name invoked when groups of semi-slick and physically filthy coins are encountered.
To the point, no it is not noteworthy in regards to CWTs at all.
Added Michael Parkoff of Coinco Investments. He's collected since the 1960s. Anyone know him?
Based on his inventory, it looks like he may also be the "Tampa Collection" that just sold on Stack's as there is an overlap of pieces.
https://www.collectorscorner.com/dealer/default.aspx?dealerId=1005&pt=1
I just picked up the following token that's attributed to "R. Williams". My first thought was that it would be great to have a token owned by Robin Williams, but I think it's supposed to be Robert Williams who has been mentioned as a collector by Steve Hayden. Anyone know Robert Williams?
General McClellan - United States Copper - White Metal - F-138/434e - R8 - PCGS MS64 - Ex Robert Williams, Steve Hayden
https://www.pcgs.com/cert/40250886
Bob Williams was a long time token & coin dealer from Ferndale, Michigan who was in his 90's (IIRC) when he died within the past year. He worked in the auto industry for many years and also was a major dealer in small auto related collectibles. Bob was one of the first people I met when I ventured to my first IKO token show (Indiana-Kentucky--Ohio) many years ago. We developed a long friendship and did a ton of business together. He was mild mannered and got along well with the Michigan dealers giving him access to much of the exonumia that came on the market in that region. He did a lot of business with the well known JIm Curto among others.
Bob & I talked frequently on the phone about tokens, college basketball, some of the other goofy dealers and everything in between. At shows he always had a 24 or 48 slot stock book waiting behind his table with items of interest that he put back for me. He was one of those magnets where the good material always seemed to find its way to him mostly because he did things the right way. He had some personal collections (more automotive than exonumia) which he sold to various dealers later in his life. Bob was another one of the good guys in my end of the business that have left us too frequently over the past several years.
1863 Frank B. Orr Washington Token - Copper Nickel - Fuld OH505B-2d - R9 - PCGS MS65+ - Ex. B. Adams, Steve Hayden (d)
Steve Hayden sold this token for $555.05 on Jan 24, 2021.
The label on the reverse indicates it was owned by B. Adams. Anyone know him? Did he author a reference book?
Is this Bob Adams mentioned here:
https://www.civilwartokens.com/Event/LotDetails/2762442/246-MI845A1a-R6-Raw-EF-Saginaw-City-Michigan-Civil-War-token
Can we add Bushnell to the list?
Do you mean Charles I. Bushnell or Ira S. Bushnell? Do you have an example Civil War token attributed to him?
Here's a token for Charles that was done by August Sage.
Charles I. Bushnell - A.B. Sage's Numismatic Gallery - Ex. James Curto, Q. David Bowers
You got that right , Charles I. Bushnell of course. Is he worthy of your list?
Generally, I like to be able to identify at least one specimen from the person’s collection. That’s more of a hard rule on the SCD list but I’d like to make it a rule here too. Can you point to any tokens from his collection?
Charles I Bushnell owned for one the Silver 1861 Fort Sumter medal, and a copper and white metal examples too.
That's a nice, large medal, but I've yet to see a Civil War Token attributed to him yet.
This hard times token was thought to be commissioned by Bushnell but is now thought to be done by J. N. T. Levick and Henry Davenport.
https://www.civilwartokens.com/Event/LotDetails/2683417/419-LOW-24-HT38-R7-UNC-Details-Bushnell-Hard-Times-token
I'm sure most of you know this already, but will post it for any newbies to the forum:
There is a Civil War tokens Society based here in Tucson, AZ. Membership is only $17.00 and for that you get access to numerous Quarterly Journals, Books and research. For those interested, the address is:
Civil War Token Society
P.O. Box 32891
Tucson, AZ 85751
When I joined, I received everything shown in the picture below to include the Quarterly journals as shown.
Lots of information for little bucks!
Thanks for mentioning the CWTS! It is a great organization and as you mentioned you get a lot of bang for you buck with dues currently at $18 a year. The Society's website is cwtsociety.com. If anyone is considering joining, feel free to reach out via PM with any questions. In addition to the Rhode Island and Die Sinker books by Q. David Bowers, I believe his book on the Wealth of the South tokens should be coming out in the near future.
ANA-LM, CWTS-LM, NBS, TAMS, ANS
They have a large book available for $40.00 (I think) that lists about 300 CWT's, rarity and I think values. Meant to get one the other day when I went by, but they were closed. Heck of a thing for a coin shop to be closed before 11:00 PM!
I am curious, are there any top either collections or collectors of civil war tokens now that are publicly collecting. It would be interesting to see some top collections.
I vote for @DCW, @CWT1863 and @BillJones!
Here's an IOOF token that sold from Benj Fauver's collection:
https://www.civilwartokens.com/Event/LotDetails/3296009/7-58439-a-R3-PCGS-MS65-RB-Odd-Fellows-Patriotic-Civil-War-token
Here's another one from Bob Williams per Steve Hayden:
https://www.civilwartokens.com/Event/LotDetails/3299397/35-181343-b-R8-PCGS-MS65-Brass-Franz-Sigel-Patriotic-Civil-War-token
Here's another from George Fuld and QDB:
https://www.civilwartokens.com/Event/LotDetails/3303027/65-481493B-b-R8-PCGS-MS63-Patriotic-Civil-War-token
And one from Larkin Wilson:
https://www.civilwartokens.com/Event/LotDetails/3302543/61-287520-b-R9-PCGS-MS63-Brass-Silver-Mine-Patriotic-Civil-War-token
This PA 765 J-1a, is not that important from the standpoint of condition, but it was owned by George Fuld and was the plate token in the Fulds' store card book.
I have a number of pieces from the Cindy Wibker collection. When she decided to sell her collection, which was over 5,000 pieces, she consigned them to Steve Tannenbaum. I sold a lot of them as a dealer and kept some for my collection.
Her tastes were similar to mine. She liked R&B Uncs., sometimes with more brown than red, with stable, original surfaces. This Indiana Primitive came from her collection.
I don't know that too many people knew this, but Steve Tannenbaum had a degree from MIT. He was brilliant man who got to make his passion into a business.
Still no Schenkman? He wrote the book on Sutlers and had (has) a world class collection.
I have a few of his pedigreed pieces in my collection, usually by way of Hayden and Tanenbaum.
Here is one of the more interesting:
Merriam medal struck using copper from a bolt from the Frigate Congress. VERY RARE
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Here is another ex Cindy Wibker token. When I was dealer, I could never find this piece with any red on it. This one was the best I had seen up to that time.
The dies for this piece were made by John Marr, who is my favorite Civil War token die maker. There has been speculation that Charles Kleinsteuber stuck Marr's tokens. This is one of those CWTs that is about the size of a quarter.
Donald Partrick is also a big name that is missing. His vast collection was just sold off a couple years back.
Here is a lovely piece I just picked up from Hayden's auction that was ex. Partrick
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Formerly in @DCW collection.
@MWallace
Nice one! I love how when you rotate that token the dual Indian faces are always looking opposite from each other. A real Escher piece!
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Agreed. I'm happy to have it in my collection as my only overstruck example.
Thanks for posting this. It's great to have first hand information on great collectors. His pieces really stand out in quality to me and I'm glad you knew him and are able to write this. I'm sorry to hear of his passing. He sounds like a great person to know!
Very nice token Bill! I looked up Cindy and found some good articles on her including the following:
@Greynick63 This is a pedigree thread. I see you posted some photographs without a name.
What collector or dealer name is associated with this token?
If there's no pedigree, it doesn't belong here.
This is not counterfeit this is a white metal cross cannon our country.
Its on way back from NGC As genuine
Congrats on the result! That may be relevant for one of the other threads this has been posted in, but that's immaterial to this thread which is focused on pedigrees. Even counterfeits can have pedigrees.
Is there any collector/collection or dealer name that can be associated with this token? If so, please post it, or it will unfortunately be off-topic for this thread.