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ZoinsZoins Posts: 21,140 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited March 27, 2020 11:26AM in U.S. Coin Forum

I follow Bryan dollars and like images of coin presses but have never seen this one before the recent Stack's auction.

Does anyone know anything about this? I was tempted to pick it up but wanted to wait for a better condition unholed specimen. How long would I need to wait?

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 21,140 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @yosclimber said:
    There are 4 examples sold in auctions from 1928 - 1930 on the NNP.

    Wow, great find from so long ago!

  • rickoricko Posts: 72,551 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is interesting.... and showing the coins falling on the floor...not proofs I guess :D Cheers, RickO

  • coinJPcoinJP Posts: 9,034 ✭✭✭

    Never seen that one before. Neat.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 27,806 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Never seen that one at all. Neat.

    Denying the facts does not make your wild guesses true.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 27,806 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Do they even exist unholed?

    Denying the facts does not make your wild guesses true.
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 28,503 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How long would I need to wait?

    Perhaps for the rest of your life. I have been collecting Bryan money and other related pieces seriously since the mid 1990s, and I have not see that one before.

    1. The "hole" is not really a problem because if you were goint to wear it, you would need that to hang it.
    2. The condition is not a problem because it's clear and undamaged.
    3. The fact that saying that Bryan would be president in 1897 is interesting because, of course, it didn't happen. It's like of like the Henry Clay "Lying Medal" that his supporters issued during the 1844 eleciton. It is worded as if he won the election, which he didn't.


    Here is an pro-Brian piece that made Mark Hanna, who was William McKinley's campaign manager, look like a "bag man" with a dead Republican Elephant on the reverse. This one is quite scarce, but not as tough as the OP.


    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible.
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 21,140 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 26, 2020 8:48PM

    @ricko said:
    That is interesting.... and showing the coins falling on the floor...not proofs I guess :D Cheers, RickO

    Haha! Good eye! :D

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 21,140 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 26, 2020 8:48PM

    @BillJones said:

    How long would I need to wait?

    Perhaps for the rest of your life. I have been collecting Bryan money and other related pieces seriously since the mid 1990s, and I have not see that one before.

    D'oh! I was on the fence about bidding and chose not to in the end.

    At least it gives me something to look forward to :)

    The fact that saying that Bryan would be president in 1897 is interesting because, of course, it didn't happen. It's like of like the Henry Clay "Lying Medal" that his supporters issued during the 1844 eleciton. It is worded as if he won the election, which he didn't.

    That is interesting and good of you to note.

    Here is an pro-Brian piece that made Mark Hanna, who was William McKinley's campaign manager, look like a "bag man" with a dead Republican Elephant on the reverse. This one is quite scarce, but not as tough as the OP.

    I love the themes on this. The dollar sign suit is awesome.

  • DCWDCW Posts: 4,336 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Never seen that one either. Bryan Money is an interesting niche of the hobby.
    Here is a cool one:

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 21,140 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 26, 2020 8:59PM

    This appears to be a rare token for William Jennings Bryan's 1900 Presidential run as I haven't seen another. The token and die was my last pickup of 2019. I'm lucky to have the token because it's the only piece I've found that shows what this die was paired with.

    I've found that political tokens can be a lot harder to find than merchant tokens which is interesting to because I would imagine that many of were struck but it could be because no one bothered to save them.

  • astroratastrorat Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's pretty cool. I have also been collecting Bryan money for a while and have not seen one of those.

    Here is a neat one ...

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  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I wish this one was in better condition, but I can't complain finding it in a coin shop junk box for $1.
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    After buying it I did some research and turned up this interesting tidbit (below).
    They are apparently very rare - I have only seen one other. It was listed on eBay and in similar condition with an asking price of about $500 (it did not sell, however, as far as I know).
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  • astroratastrorat Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 27, 2020 5:42AM

    @dcarr said:
    I wish this one was in better condition, but I can't complain finding it in a coin shop junk box for $1.

    Wanna double your money? ;)

    Edited to add ... that's a really cool piece!

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  • tokenprotokenpro Posts: 236 ✭✭✭

    @dcarr said:
    I wish this one was in better condition, but I can't complain finding it in a coin shop junk box for $1.
    .

    .
    After buying it I did some research and turned up this interesting tidbit (below).
    They are apparently very rare - I have only seen one other. It was listed on eBay and in similar condition with an asking price of about $500 (it did not sell, however, as far as I know).
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    An example of the Statue Of Liberty piece just sold on eBay within the past couple of weeks -- definitely a scarce piece.

    The Bryan piece in the OP was buried in a lot that went for a reasonable price even without the Billy B Coin Press piece.

  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 19,478 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interesting fact about Bryan... He was the youngest Presidential nominee of a major political party in US history... He was 36 when nominated by the Democrats in 1896.

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  • shorecollshorecoll Posts: 5,100 ✭✭✭✭

    To answer the OP, there was an old Cosby routine where God asked Noah how long he could tread water. :)

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  • keetskeets Posts: 22,442 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The "hole" is not really a problem because if you were goint to wear it, you would need that to hang it.

    this means that whoever invented the "bezel" needs to be in a Hall of Fame somewhere!!! :p they have saved many a coin, especially gold ones, from damage.

    --- George Carlin RIP, he'd have a lot of fresh material if he was alive today!!
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 28,503 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @keets said:
    The "hole" is not really a problem because if you were goint to wear it, you would need that to hang it.

    this means that whoever invented the "bezel" needs to be in a Hall of Fame somewhere!!! :p they have saved many a coin, especially gold ones, from damage.

    Those who were working the political campaign were not concerned about collectors. They were concerned about getting their message out as fast and as widely as possible. These pieces were intended to be used for three or four months and that was it.

    Many collectors are familiar with the satirical Bryan Dollars that are usually cast in lead. They get to be a bit repetitive, even for those of us who collect these pieces. Still there are some that are rare and unusual. Here is one that used a Lincoln quote to make it’s point.


    Here is another rare or very scarce variety that used elements of the Morgan Dollar design to make its point. The octagonal shape may have been intentional to avoid any counterfiet problems.


    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible.
  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tokenpro said:

    @dcarr said:
    I wish this one was in better condition, but I can't complain finding it in a coin shop junk box for $1.
    .

    .
    After buying it I did some research and turned up this interesting tidbit (below).
    They are apparently very rare - I have only seen one other. It was listed on eBay and in similar condition with an asking price of about $500 (it did not sell, however, as far as I know).
    .

    .

    An example of the Statue Of Liberty piece just sold on eBay within the past couple of weeks -- definitely a scarce piece.

    The Bryan piece in the OP was buried in a lot that went for a reasonable price even without the Billy B Coin Press piece.

    Found it, thanks.
    Sold for about $250:

    https://ebay.com/itm/392702434014
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  • jonathanbjonathanb Posts: 2,848 ✭✭✭✭
  • coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 18,313 ✭✭✭✭✭

    While I have nothing to add @Zoins i do have a couple of common ones that I like.
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