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Which seated half would you put in your type set?

seanqseanq Posts: 8,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
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I recently picked up another example of a clipped 1853 with arrows half, the cousin to the one that has resided in my 7070 clipped type set for close to a decade. I am torn over which coin belongs in the set. There isn't an overall theme as far as condition, just that every coin is clipped.

New coin:

Current coin:

The new coin is technically a lower grade but shows the error better, but because this is a reverse variety I have it in the book with the reverse forward, and the current coin has a much nicer look.

I'm curious which coin the Forum prefers, either on its own merits or for a type set.

Sean Reynolds

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  • Musky1011Musky1011 Posts: 3,903 ✭✭✭✭

    Current

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  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,801 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 27, 2020 8:43PM

    Current coin and it’s not even close. Those black lines on the new coin look like rubber band stains to me.

  • HoledandCreativeHoledandCreative Posts: 2,797 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Current because the error is on the reverse. The new will fit in your obverse type set. When I displayed my type set, I showed both obverse and reverse with all mint marks for each type, Just a little ocd.

  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,548 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Current.

  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,499 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Current.

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  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,365 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't know that one coin has a more obvious clip than the other. However, I do know that the current coin appears far nicer to my eyes and it is what I would keep in the album. Of course, I suspect you will keep both coins regardless.

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  • CRH4LIFECRH4LIFE Posts: 849 ✭✭✭✭

    Current +100

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  • MarkInDavisMarkInDavis Posts: 1,711 ✭✭✭✭

    Current for sure. Do both of those coins have clips?

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  • KccoinKccoin Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭✭

    current coin irregardless of a clip

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,263 ✭✭✭✭✭

    220 volts!

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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,027 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree with the Cap'


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  • BarberianBarberian Posts: 3,647 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Current.

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,382 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No contest ... current coin.

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  • TwobitcollectorTwobitcollector Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭✭✭

    current

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  • OldhoopsterOldhoopster Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sounds like you have an answer

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  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Current.

  • KliaoKliao Posts: 5,583 ✭✭✭✭✭

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  • FranklinHalfAddictFranklinHalfAddict Posts: 673 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Definitely the current one. Reverse streaks on the new one would bother me too much and the clip is so minor that it almost looks like regular circulation wear.

  • DNADaveDNADave Posts: 7,277 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’d put the bottom current coin in my dansco 7070 and the top coin in my seated half dansco album.

  • bearcavebearcave Posts: 3,996 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DNADave said:
    I’d put the bottom current coin in my dansco 7070 and the top coin in my seated half dansco album.

    What he said

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Current coin for me....better detail all around.... Cheers, RickO

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree and think the clip is probably about the same size. The wear on the new coin is what is making the clip more apparent IMHO.

    @TomB said:
    I don't know that one coin has a more obvious clip than the other. However, I do know that the current coin appears far nicer to my eyes and it is what I would keep in the album. Of course, I suspect you will keep both coins regardless.

  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,441 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Current coin.

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  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    For purposes of viewing the error type, I like the new coin (obverse, mainly).

    For your book, since you have the reverse displayed, the old coin is much better at showing the error on the reverse.

    Oh what a dilemma ... which clipped A&R Seated half to keep? ... oh how rough your numismatic life must be! ;)

    Oh ... and I bet you cherrypicked both of those, you scoundrel! ;)

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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Current....not even close!

  • LJenkins11LJenkins11 Posts: 789 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Current coin takes it all day long, the black marks and less detail of the overall coin are my reasons. If you are still torn, try splitting the difference and sandwich both coins into the same album slot.

  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,677 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @astrorat said:
    For purposes of viewing the error type, I like the new coin (obverse, mainly).

    For your book, since you have the reverse displayed, the old coin is much better at showing the error on the reverse.

    Oh what a dilemma ... which clipped A&R Seated half to keep? ... oh how rough your numismatic life must be! ;)

    Oh ... and I bet you cherrypicked both of those, you scoundrel! ;)

    Thank you for all the replies - I am honestly surprised how unanimous the feedback trended. Maybe I just have a soft spot for a nice mid-grade CircCam™.

    Someday I'll post pics of all the coins from the album, it is about 90% complete, missing just the modern bullion and the larger denominations of seated Liberty types.

    And for the record, I only cherrypicked the new coin, I paid up for the old one. :)

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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,160 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I still like the current coin, but mainly because the one with the more obvious clip isn't quite so obvious when you're looking at the reverse of the coin... and, as you said... this is a one year type that many place in the album showing the reverse side front. I like the top coin for the clip (readily apparent) but the details and surfaces of the current coin.

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  • ElmerFusterpuckElmerFusterpuck Posts: 4,729 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Current, all day long. But the other coin should not be kicked out of bed either!

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,350 ✭✭✭✭✭

    +1 for current coin.

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  • ShadyDaveShadyDave Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Seems decided, so I'll jump on the bandwagon, current!

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  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,301 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Current

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  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,584 ✭✭✭✭✭

    2nd coin much nicer than the "striped" coin.

  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Surprised you're asking.

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  • goldengolden Posts: 9,699 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Current.

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,252 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Indeed the current example.

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  • Tom147Tom147 Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yea, current. No contest

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,277 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There are many forum members who have chose the current coin...and you can count me among them.

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,100 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The current coin by a wide margin. The new one would get a “details grade” if it were to be submitted for marks and toning streaks.

    As a veteran type collector, I don’t view planchet clips on a coin has a positive. It may have been part of the minting process, but does not display the design to the best advantage. I would not go out of my way to find this type coin with a planchet clip. I would avoid it if I could.

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sell both as Type Coin errors and upgrade. :)

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillJones said:
    The current coin by a wide margin. The new one would get a “details grade” if it were to be submitted for marks and toning streaks.

    As a veteran type collector, I don’t view planchet clips on a coin has a positive. It may have been part of the minting process, but does not display the design to the best advantage. I would not go out of my way to find this type coin with a planchet clip. I would avoid it if I could.

    I think you are missing the point Bill. Clips are the focus here. Like Varieties are for my Type Set. ;)

  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,412 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I do not like the streaky tone on the new coin at all, keep the current in the book.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,263 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @BillJones said:
    The current coin by a wide margin. The new one would get a “details grade” if it were to be submitted for marks and toning streaks.

    As a veteran type collector, I don’t view planchet clips on a coin has a positive. It may have been part of the minting process, but does not display the design to the best advantage. I would not go out of my way to find this type coin with a planchet clip. I would avoid it if I could.

    I think you are missing the point Bill. Clips are the focus here. Like Varieties are for my Type Set. ;)

    Yeah, but maybe a half a percent more clip does not make up for the ugliness.

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,100 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @BillJones said:
    The current coin by a wide margin. The new one would get a “details grade” if it were to be submitted for marks and toning streaks.

    As a veteran type collector, I don’t view planchet clips on a coin has a positive. It may have been part of the minting process, but does not display the design to the best advantage. I would not go out of my way to find this type coin with a planchet clip. I would avoid it if I could.

    I think you are missing the point Bill. Clips are the focus here. Like Varieties are for my Type Set. ;)

    I don’t mind being dense. :( I don’t care for 18th and 19th century type coins with clips. If it’s your second, mint error type set, fine. Otherwise, I find them to be a distraction that usually lowers the value of the piece.

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 28, 2020 3:05PM

    I get the "dummy cap" as I didn't read far enough in the OP to see the coins are in a set of clips. :(

    Keep the old one as it is no contest! Why did you buy the new one if you had the hole filled already? To trade?

  • ilmcoinsilmcoins Posts: 525 ✭✭✭✭

    Current for sure

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,381 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Go with the eye appeal, when all else fails.

  • jedmjedm Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I may have not been paying attention completely but it seems to be unanimous that your current one is preferred.

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