Do you lose respect for a collection that has lower condition coins?
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Of course, collections can strive to have the best of the best, but when a lower condition coin is added to the collection, do you lose a bit of respect for the collection / collector / provenance?
As a collector, I love getting the best but sometimes I also like lower condition coins for fun, whether it is to add a different look or simply to have some variety. Would it be better to associate or not associate the lower graded coins with the collection provenance?
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No. It's his collection. If I see an ugly tattoo, to me, I think "the only one who has to like it is the person it's on". My opinion should be kept in my head.
Who knows, it could be a place holder in a much better collection. Or a sentimental piece given by his grandfather that got him started collecting.
Be happy he has it.
Well if your collection has superior coins not just high graded plastic holders it would seem odd to add a dog but some of us love dogs 🐶
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No as I can appreciate a lower grade collection if surface condition wise it's wholesome original.
I've personally down graded when I found an example I felt possessed better overall qualities which appealed to me.
I own one HTT in VF that I've passed upgrading to every XF or AU seen as all have been molested a bit to some degree.
No. Sometimes I can’t afford a higher condition coin so I’ll settle for a lower condition one. Not everyone has a ton of money so spend
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It was oozing originality as it hadn't been boinked in any way since it was plucked from circulation.
Not at all. Everyone likes what they like. Someone could turn their nose up to any Morgan that isn’t at least MS66 but also love the look of AG/G Washington quarters. Why lose respect because of that? It’s all about the enjoyment of the hobby. We should all be happy there are 10,001 ways to enjoy it.
No as long as it looks decent. To each our own
Anyone can collect nice coins with and unlimited budget. I actually have tons of respect for those love the chase for the coins not the chase for registry points or notoriety.
Had a guy at Long Beach a few years ago show me his seated quarter Dansco. He had to add several blank pages because of all the different varieties both major and minor. Many of the more expensive coins were damaged or low grade but it was one of the most comprehensive seated quarter collections I’ve seen. That was fun to see.
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Nope, as long as the collector is having fun.
No... It is that person's collection... and as with art or wives, his choice and his taste.....Your opinion is no more valid than that of the person assembling the collection....actually less so, since the coins were his/her choice. Cheers, RickO
No I don't lose respect for anybodies collection for a lower condition coin. In a coin I see history - and whether it is one that was well preserved and kept out of circulation or one that was transferring hands and buying items for a hundred year or more years - each has an appeal to me.
If I did I wouldn't have any respect for most of my own sets!
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Absolutely not.
Not really, in some ways I like the looks of a nice VF to XF collection as much as a 63/64 MS set... Actually I'd prefer a nice XF rather than a bag marked 61 or 62.
If I did, I would be quite the hypocrite, since my Large Cent collection runs the gamut from G to MS64, including some details/genny specimens....people that live in glass houses, yada yada.
One of the things I've learned from the EACer's, that changed my thinking, and is along the lines of what Broadstruck was saying above: lower grade but nicer, more appealing surfaces trumps higher grade.
I actually paid double for an 1821 large cent with choice color and surfaces, that was technically a lower grade than one I already owned.
I might lose some respect for lower QUALITY, but never for lower condition.
Great answers everyone. I've heard a number of opinions that you shouldn't take lesser coins into your set, but sometimes, it's nice to have fun too.
No, I prefer a scarce low grade to a common high grade. I do not play the condition rarity game. As long as the coin is nice for the grade looks good to me, and straight grades.
No... collections like these (coins) can be a highly personal thing. I still have a run of Indian Head Cents that I collected from a coffee can at my gradfathers' summer home. They'e all common dates, G4-VG8 , but they were from my grandfather... sometimes provenance trumps condition...
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No. If I did then I would lose respect for my collection and that wouldn't be any fun. It's hard enough as it is.
I’ve lost respect for myself a few times, but not over lower grade coins.
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Sounds elitist imo.
What kind of question is that! Respect. I lose respect for people who nose down other’s for petty ignorant or irrelevant things. A person who collects does it for many reasons.
Collectors come from all income demographic and social circles and I don’t lose respect for anyone for optional collection material.
Especially when it’s there money and there collection. I have bought cleaned cheap non popular and on an on.
If my daughter sent me a gift she believed I would like. I would add it and be proud to display it. Might even post it.
Not all collectors are the same but one thing we all have in common is Human born and die. Acting as if anyone is not worthy of respect due to a coin add is just snooty and judgmental
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No I would not.
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It depends upon how low you go and how nice the coin or token in question is known to exist. For some rare early U.S. cent die varieites, the best known coin in collector hands is a VG. Therefore if you have a nice Good, that's nothing to laugh at. If you plug the 1853 hole in a large cent date set with an AG-3, I might question your taste.
I think you answered your own question. I should hope that "respect" would not enter into the assessment due to several reasons we all can think of including those you mentioned.
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No, I lose respect for collectors who look down on someone else's collection.
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Would it be better to associate or not associate the lower graded coins with the collection provenance?
while I don't really have an opinion about the question as posed, I am none the less pleased to see you choose the word Provenance!!!
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Personally I couldn’t care less what the grade of a coin is. It’s the eye appeal that counts.
Grade smade show me the coin.
Most upper echelon collectors I know still buys some widgets in between larger purchases just to get something in the mail.
Maybe not respect but I would wonder about their eye, and then only when they have a collection full of blast white silver F's and VF's instead of nice, original coins in the same grade.
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Respect is a tough word for the grade-Quality of the contents of a Collection, rather than the completeness, cohesiveness, difficulty of attainment, time and effort required to achieve and hypothetically duplicate the group, historical and artistic meaningfulness of the assemblage.
It's very easy to simply buy high grade easy to find coins.
A collection that takes a lot of work to assemble commands more of my respect than a collection that only takes a lot of money
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There is something to be said for a collection that chooses to capture a series in various states of preservation. Seems many collectors forget that coins were meant to be spent and there is no shame in owning those coins that served their intended purpose.
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“Do you lose respect for a collection that has lower condition coins?”
No, to each their own.
I dont think "respect" is exactly the right word for it, but it would be a head scratcher if the entire collection were mint state and a VF is thrown in there for no other reason than it saved some bucks.
That is why it is important to get a handle on prices and the particular grade youd like before taking on set building.
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Absolutely not. # 1 We all don't have the same budget. # 2 Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. # 3 Who are we to belittle another collectors taste.
If I like my collection, then I'm happy. If you don't like it, Just be happy for me.
No, a wide variety of grade conditions further emphasizes the uniqueness of a collection.
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Not at all. Only thing that makes me lose interest/respect in a coin are cac stickers and taco bell nasty on once blast white silvers.
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I’ve seen coins in collections that led me to think less of the collector. Not because the coins were low grade, but because they were bad choices, i.e., obvious mistakes.
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I actually gain more respect for a collection that has lower condition coins. Some of my favorite collectors and their collections - Eric Newman, Russ Logan, Ed Price, Jules Reiver - all had coins of varying grades, problem coins, errors, oddities, rare die states, along with "registry quality" coins. Most of all they had discovery coins, which required searching through all grades and conditions of coins to find, along with great numismatic knowledge to identify.
What may be obvious to some may be unknown to others.
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