Newp and now for something completely different....an original but badly damaged dollar. Received!

Realone

ifthevamzarockin

Very nice....I like it!

ChopmarkedTrades

Nice engraving quality. What's interesting is that the shotgun is a break action, dating the engraving to at least post-Civil War. Surprised that they would have selected a 70+ year old dollar for this purpose when newer ones were certainly available.

Broadstruck

Do you know who CK was?

Broadstruck

@Realone said:

@Broadstruck said:
Do you know who CK was?

I believe it is KC.

No the prominent letter is the C as it's the furthest outward covering the 3 parts of the K.

Yet some may see it as KFC

divecchia

That is a beautiful engraving and I love it!!!

@Realone I'm curious as to what makes you believe it is "KC" and not "CK" on the engraving?

Donato

Hydrant

Interesting. I like it.

ctf_error_coins

Wow, Extremely Nice.

That should go to me tho as my first name starts with a "C" and my last name ends in a "K"

Walkerfan

Unique.

Like it.

That's beautiful and took some skill.

Zoins

Very nice @Realone ! I love this collecting angle of yours!

I love the discussion on monogram and rifle as well. I can't really participate here but enjoy the discussion.

divecchia

@Realone said:

@divecchia said:
That is a beautiful engraving and I love it!!!

@Realone I'm curious as to what makes you believe it is "KC" and not "CK" on the engraving?

Donato

The C is the prominent letter by far. Prominent in that it is bolder in engraving, first in order and in one piece. I spoke to a n expert and the prominent letter is the family name. That being said, it is often that the receiver knows his initials so the receiver never questions the order. The order is often hard for most to differentiate not knowing the name, but prominence typically trumps for family name.

Thanks for the explanation.

Donato

Broadstruck

@Realone said:

@ChopmarkedTrades said:
Nice engraving quality. What's interesting is that the shotgun is a break action, dating the engraving to at least post-Civil War. Surprised that they would have selected a 70+ year old dollar for this purpose when newer ones were certainly available.

What is a "break action" and how can you be sure it is post civil war. I see a hammer and flint with a double trigger. Are you seeing something different.

@Broadstruck said:

@Realone said:

@Broadstruck said:
Do you know who CK was?

I believe it is KC.

No the prominent letter is the C as it's the furthest outward covering the 3 parts of the K.

Yet some may see it as KFC

The C is the prominent letter by far. Prominent in that it is bolder in engraving, first in order and in one piece. I spoke to a n expert and the prominent letter is the family name. That being said, it is often that the receiver knows his initials so the receiver never questions the order. The order is often hard for most to differentiate not knowing the name, but prominence typically trumps.

I sat next to Lloyd L. Entenmann author of the book Love Tokens as Engraved Coins on a plane from coast to coast once. He spoke very passionately about them the entire flight and I felt like I was an expert once we landed. He also gave me a autographed copy of his book once we landed.

Anyhow I believe it's CK as if this was actually engraved at the time of issue you will find a considerable amount of more 1700 Century first names starting with the letter C than K.

Broadstruck

@Realone said:

@Broadstruck said:

@Realone said:

@ChopmarkedTrades said:
Nice engraving quality. What's interesting is that the shotgun is a break action, dating the engraving to at least post-Civil War. Surprised that they would have selected a 70+ year old dollar for this purpose when newer ones were certainly available.

What is a "break action" and how can you be sure it is post civil war. I see a hammer and flint with a double trigger. Are you seeing something different.

@Broadstruck said:

@Realone said:

@Broadstruck said:
Do you know who CK was?

I believe it is KC.

No the prominent letter is the C as it's the furthest outward covering the 3 parts of the K.

Yet some may see it as KFC

The C is the prominent letter by far. Prominent in that it is bolder in engraving, first in order and in one piece. I spoke to a n expert and the prominent letter is the family name. That being said, it is often that the receiver knows his initials so the receiver never questions the order. The order is often hard for most to differentiate not knowing the name, but prominence typically trumps.

I sat next to Lloyd L. Entenmann author of the book Love Tokens as Engraved Coins on a plane from coast to coast once. He spoke very passionately about them the entire flight and I felt like I was an expert once we landed. He also gave me a autographed copy of his book once we landed.

Anyhow I believe it's CK as if this was actually engraved at the time of issue you will find a considerable amount of more 1700 Century first names starting with the letter C than K.

And I spoke to Sid Gail, head of the "Love Token Society". But to each their own, your opinion is valued. And I too have Lloyd's book.
Thank you

Just wondering who it may have been if in fact it was engraved then.

As being a dollar it had to have been someone affluent with a passion for English shotguns.

AUandAG

Not at all damaged in my opinion. Post Mint engraving but intentional as opposed to an accident or such. I think it is spectacular.

bob

Baley

Lovely item!

The extraordinary Quality and condition of the engraving leads me to believe, absent provenance to the contrary, that the work is very recent.

toyz4geo

I was not expecting that. Beautiful coin.

Icollecteverything

Looks professional compared to most I have seen.

My only love token is on a seated dime with the letters FI or IF, not sure which letter should be first. I like to ponder that it is not initials and that some guy handed it to a girl and said "IF" you would marry me......

Drizzt

....Illinois had a Company K in the Civil War ?

Nic

Breech loading gun. Looks like a s/s shotgun. If so that would make the engraving 1875 or later.

Wish I could mag the pic.

johnny9434

Someone took the time with some nice engraving. I like

ChopmarkedTrades

@Realone said:

@ChopmarkedTrades said:
Nice engraving quality. What's interesting is that the shotgun is a break action, dating the engraving to at least post-Civil War. Surprised that they would have selected a 70+ year old dollar for this purpose when newer ones were certainly available.

What is a "break action" and how can you be sure it is post civil war. I see a hammer and flint with a double trigger. Are you seeing something different.

A 'Break Action' is a variant of breech-loading design, still used in many firearms today. Notice how the barrel is separated from the action in the engraving? The entire barrel and foregrip pivots from a pin, allowing cartridges to be loaded and unloaded from the weapon. Muskets, on the other hand, could not break open from the back of the barrel, and were loaded from the muzzle. See below for a comparison image:

The action is also not a flintlock, but a percussion cap hammer. The Percussion Cap was employed beginning in the 1830s, the break action began to gain use after the Civil War. Break actions were seldom produced with flintlocks.

Baley

@Realone said:

@Baley said:
Lovely item!

The extraordinary Quality and condition of the engraving leads me to believe, absent provenance to the contrary, that the work is very recent.

Highly doubt it lol
Ex Ed Milas. Discovered at a Chicago estate sale approx 35+ years ago.

Well if so that gets it back to 1984 😉

Broadstruck

@Nic said:
Breech loading gun. Looks like a s/s shotgun. If so that would make the engraving 1875 or later.

Wish I could mag the pic.

We can just assume it might be a side by side double barrel shotgun.

It is a flintlock breech loader though.

clarkbar04

Break action is the hinged barrel, you “break” it open to reload. One trigger per barrel.

Breech load, not muzzle load.

Awesome engraving!

ChopmarkedTrades

@Broadstruck said:

@Nic said:
Breech loading gun. Looks like a s/s shotgun. If so that would make the engraving 1875 or later.

Wish I could mag the pic.

We can just assume it might be a side by side double barrel shotgun.

It is a flintlock breech loader though.

To me, the curve at the top of the hammer would suggest a percussion cap hammer rather than a flintlock, which would be straight to accommodate the flint:

Coinstartled

I'll vote CK as the top of the C crosses the K twice at the top which is where the eye first focuses.

Don't know enough about firearms to comment on the > @Broadstruck said:

@Realone said:

@Broadstruck said:

@Realone said:

@ChopmarkedTrades said:
Nice engraving quality. What's interesting is that the shotgun is a break action, dating the engraving to at least post-Civil War. Surprised that they would have selected a 70+ year old dollar for this purpose when newer ones were certainly available.

What is a "break action" and how can you be sure it is post civil war. I see a hammer and flint with a double trigger. Are you seeing something different.

@Broadstruck said:

@Realone said:

@Broadstruck said:
Do you know who CK was?

I believe it is KC.

No the prominent letter is the C as it's the furthest outward covering the 3 parts of the K.

Yet some may see it as KFC

The C is the prominent letter by far. Prominent in that it is bolder in engraving, first in order and in one piece. I spoke to a n expert and the prominent letter is the family name. That being said, it is often that the receiver knows his initials so the receiver never questions the order. The order is often hard for most to differentiate not knowing the name, but prominence typically trumps.

I sat next to Lloyd L. Entenmann author of the book Love Tokens as Engraved Coins on a plane from coast to coast once. He spoke very passionately about them the entire flight and I felt like I was an expert once we landed. He also gave me a autographed copy of his book once we landed.

Anyhow I believe it's CK as if this was actually engraved at the time of issue you will find a considerable amount of more 1700 Century first names starting with the letter C than K.

And I spoke to Sid Gail, head of the "Love Token Society". But to each their own, your opinion is valued. And I too have Lloyd's book.
Thank you

Just wondering who it may have been if in fact it was engraved then.

As being a dollar it had to have been someone affluent with a passion for English shotguns.

Why would they have to be affluent. If engraved in the mid to late 1800's, the host coin probably did not command significant numismatic value.

I'll vote CK as the top of the C crosses the K twice at the top which is where the eye first focuses.

Don't know enough about firearms to comment on the vintage.

Do know enough about rare coins to comment that this piece is awesome.

CaptHenway

A: It is utterly gorgeous!
B: You will never reach agreement as to whether it is CK or KC. Doesn't really matter.

Nic

I cant see the flintlocks on my phone. Trust you all!

Even if so, that makes the gun and engraving 1839 or later?

Beautiful!

Drizzt

Circle K "We hunt your food for you"

WWW

I like it! It has some very intriguing design elements.

Baley

@CaptHenway said:
A: It is utterly gorgeous!
B: You will never reach agreement as to whether it is CK or KC. Doesn't really matter.

Unless the Estate can be traced back to someone specific.. Realone and others on here (LordMarcovan) have done it!

Smudge

The engraving may have been done by a gun engraver. Some do beautiful work. It is possible that the gun may not be a shotgun, but a double rifle. Likely shotgun but remote possibility that it’s a rifle. Double rifles are still made in large caliber for safari big game hunters. Very expensive. If curious google Boss double rifle.

fastfreddie

What's not to like...beautiful engraving that's captivating.

You only need to change your signature line to be complete. Maybe you already did!

I like it a lot!!

Kliao

Wow very nice!

Love the engraving

TradesWithChops

such a cool piece !!

TradesWithChops

my opinion: C is bigger, K is smaller - K has roots going into the ground (family name). C. K.

But, they are basically in the same position, and they go over each other. So, K. C.

Im sure it is either one or the other.

boiler78

Maybe 1795 was the birth year of the recipient ?

Justacommeman

Excessively cool. Congrats! Love it

m

CaptHenway

Remember that there was a long gap in silver dollar production between 1803 (datewise) and 1836. If this were made in, wild guess, 1825, it would have to be made with an older dollar. The actual year on the coin may or may not be significant.

jabba

That’s awesome maybe some kind of private shooting medal very unique

jabba

Definitely some top notch engraving
Is that some kind of script on the leaf in the top left?

Hemispherical

@Realone said:

Like it a lot!