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Die trial of a famous Civil War Token, Straight's Elephantine Shoe Store

DCWDCW Posts: 7,283 ✭✭✭✭✭

Here is a very interesting piece, one which formerly resided in the collection of George and Melvin Fuld.
Straight's Elephantine Shoe Store, struck on an oval copper planchet, PCGS MS62, unique

Rich Rossa acquired this for his own immense collection of NY tokens, and considered it among the strangest pieces he had seen. And I agree! It resembles an elongated cent at first glance, but it is thicker with the smooth edges of a prepared planchet that is oval in shape.

Why was this made? After 150 years, we can only speculate. But this is exactly what draws so many towards exonumia. The "mystery."
The Straight's Shoe Store token is popular for its depiction of an elephant proudly marching forward wearing boots. It is considered common by exonumia standards, but finding a nice one is not an easy task. Here is one I recently acquired from CRO in NGC MS65, and it is among the best I've seen:
NY 10F-1a, Straight's Elephantine Shoe Store, Albany, NY. NGC MS65

Thanks for looking!

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,112 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very unusual. Wild guess: struck on a rolled out half cent or some other coin or token because the die maker wanted a relatively flat piece of metal to do a trial strike on?

    A friend of mine has several 1848 French patterns struck on old copper coins from various countries, some from the 1700's. Perhaps it was a common practice for trial strikes in the era.

    What's the weight?

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  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,104 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Awesome piece @DCW! You have a very cool collection!

  • GluggoGluggo Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would like to see a snap shot of your collection must be Very Impressive! I am always blown away on your collection thank you for sharing with us.

  • sparky64sparky64 Posts: 7,036 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Most excellent piece.

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  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 8,958 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Speaking of shapes, anyone know of a quarter moon shaped merchant token?

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  • DCWDCW Posts: 7,283 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Gluggo said:
    I would like to see a snap shot of your collection must be Very Impressive! I am always blown away on your collection thank you for sharing with us.

    Thanks. I deal in exonumia, so most of these things are ultimately for sale. The problem is, I get "high on my own supply," and it is difficult to part with pieces that speak my language!
    Trying to stay focused within my core collection of Merriam pieces, but certain tokens just draw me in.

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 1, 2019 11:14AM

    @DCW said:

    @Gluggo said:
    I would like to see a snap shot of your collection must be Very Impressive! I am always blown away on your collection thank you for sharing with us.

    Thanks. I deal in exonumia, so most of these things are ultimately for sale. The problem is, I get "high on my own supply," and it is difficult to part with pieces that speak my language!
    Trying to stay focused within my core collection of Merriam pieces, but certain tokens just draw me in.

    This is a great token as are many in your inventory. Since you have so many choice pieces, it would be great to catalog these and add your provenance to the pieces. There is a precedence as @ErrorsOnCoins makes a point to “collect from his inventory” and Jeff Shevlin adds his provenance to his choice pieces. Thanks for sharing this unique piece.

  • DCWDCW Posts: 7,283 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    Very unusual. Wild guess: struck on a rolled out half cent or some other coin or token because the die maker wanted a relatively flat piece of metal to do a trial strike on?

    Perhaps, but wouldnt you think some remains of the undertype would be present?

    What's the weight?

    I have no idea as it is in a PCGS slab. I guess we could subtract the plastic if that is a known weight.

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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,298 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is a real nice piece. I like it

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,112 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DCW said:

    @CaptHenway said:
    Very unusual. Wild guess: struck on a rolled out half cent or some other coin or token because the die maker wanted a relatively flat piece of metal to do a trial strike on?

    Perhaps, but wouldnt you think some remains of the undertype would be present?

    Perhaps, depending upon how worn out the hypothetical undertype was when it was rolled.

    Check the high areas of the token strike for stray designs that should not be there.

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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Okay that's just too cool... Congrats on acquiring that!

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very impressive... I like the Albany, NY connection... That is about 45 miles north of me...Cheers, RickO

  • MedalCollectorMedalCollector Posts: 1,973 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Late die state, or? Seems rather crude.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The fields do look unusually non-flat in the oversized oval planchet piece. The non-struck planchet is flat so it’s strange to have fields that aren’t flat, even when there’s less than desirable pressure. Perhaps @dcarr can chime in?

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,112 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Restrike from rusted dies?

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 1, 2019 9:11PM

    @CaptHenway said:
    Restrike from rusted dies?

    I don't see evidence of rust pits on the oval piece that I typically associate with rusted dies.

    Are there any normal planchet tokens with a similar surface? I wonder if there is some sort of die failure here.

  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,436 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2, 2019 11:41AM

    If the planchet was rough, the fields of the token would have the least roughness and the devices (and the un-struck areas) the most. That is not what I see here. It appears to be a die deterioration issue. If so, that would mean it is a later strike.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2, 2019 2:14AM

    According to the Smithsonian, this was struck by Scovill Manufacturing. If this is a later strike, I wonder if it was done by Scovill or by someone who acquired the dies? Does anyone know if the dies were acquired and used to make restrikes?

    Straight’s Shoe Store Advertising Token

    DESCRIPTION (BRIEF)
    The Scovill Manufacturing Company of Waterbury, Connecticut produced this advertising token around 1863. The Scovill Company was established in 1802 as a button manufacturer and is still in business today. Scovill was an early industrial American innovator, adapting armory manufacturing processes to mass-produce a variety of consumer goods including buttons, daguerreotype mats, medals, coins, and tokens.

    Obverse: Image of a walking elephant wearing shoes. The legend reads: STRAIGHT'S ELEPHANTINE SHOE STORE/ 398 BROADWAY/ 1863.Reverse: The legend reads: REDEEMED AT MY SHOE STORE/ 398 BROADWAY ALBANY N.Y.

    LOCATION
    Currently not on view

    MAKER
    Scovill Manufacturing Company

    MEASUREMENTS
    overall: 1.95 cm; 3/4 in

    ID NUMBER
    1981.0296.1540

  • DCWDCW Posts: 7,283 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Bump in case anyone missed this in the sea of 2019-S American Silver Eagle threads...

    Thanks for the comments everyone!

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  • AlexinPAAlexinPA Posts: 1,458 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very interesting. Thanks for positing it.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,112 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I now am pretty sure restrike from rusted dies.

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