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1893-S Internet Offering

burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭✭✭
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This was just listed on the internet for sale and I wondered thoughts on authenticity! Starting bid only a dollar...

Cert has no image so that really doesn't help:

Thanks,
Jack

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,485 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fake coin, fake slab.

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    astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sad fake

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    JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

    XF 45... LOL.

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    burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I did do a comparison image to a known PCGS XF45 (image courtesy PCGS):

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    MgarmyMgarmy Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I just ran it up to 345. Would have dropped that on a wish but not gonna waste anymore on the 2 percent chance it is real

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    HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Mushy

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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,944 ✭✭✭✭✭

    PCGS would never grade that as a 45.

    All glory is fleeting.
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    CCGGGCCGGG Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 28, 2019 6:37PM

    I can't see the crack in the T from the picture but I usually need a 10x loop to see it in lower grades like this anyway. Doesn't really matter since the 1 in the date is not in the right place. I'd call it fake.

    Checked with CAC and it seems the real one with that cert# doesn't have a CAC sticker either.

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    mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Mgarmy said:
    I just ran it up to 345. Would have dropped that on a wish but not gonna waste anymore on the 2 percent chance it is real

    There's 0% chance it is real.

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    No HeadlightsNo Headlights Posts: 2,039 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Date isn’t centered below the bust correctly. Just one of the issues with that thing

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    oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 11,902 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The label is a giveaway to me...wrong font.

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    ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Link for seller to keep an eye on listings after this one is removed.
    https://www.ebay.com/sch/keith445363/m.html?item=352871003853&hash=item5228c036cd:g:1sEAAOSwNhNd4CF0&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562

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    abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @mannie gray said:

    @Mgarmy said:
    I just ran it up to 345. Would have dropped that on a wish but not gonna waste anymore on the 2 percent chance it is real

    There's 0% chance it is real.

    I emphatically disagree. I think it's 100% fake.

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    ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I just bid to get the sellers hopes up before it goes poof. :D

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    CCGGGCCGGG Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 28, 2019 8:47PM

    Now here's a thought. What if the coin is fake but it was really slabbed by PCGS. I seriously doubt it but what if? Who would paying who?

    In this case, I might have been fooled by the slab but not the coin.

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    ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    :)

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    santinidollarsantinidollar Posts: 1,056 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Good grief.

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    morgansforevermorgansforever Posts: 8,428 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fake from an arms length away, no question. Only one obverse die was used, if the one is not over the 4th dentil, to the right of the point of the neck, Michael Jordan slam dunk counterfeit, no doubt about it. Probably the first diagnostic used by graders, the easiest Morgan to authenticate, David Hall would agree.

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    burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It was reported and removed. Thanks for all of the comments!

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yep... gone now... Good catch everyone...and thanks for the picture capture....Any guesses how long until it reappears? ;) Cheers, RickO

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    BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Man, I wish there was a way to stop this stuff.

    Too many people are getting hurt by stuff like this.

    Pete

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    burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BuffaloIronTail said:
    Man, I wish there was a way to stop this stuff.

    Too many people are getting hurt by stuff like this.

    Pete

    Pete, I report these to a number of groups including the ACTF as I become aware of them. All we can do at this point. I did report it to my contact at PCGS so they are aware if they haven't taken notice from this post...

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    ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Seller is in the United Kingdom and may be a little out of the practical reach of U.S. laws.

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    burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Still awareness is key; and shipping here from outside the US regardless of where is illegal... Including China and UK.

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    metalmeistermetalmeister Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for protecting our hobby.

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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,514 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Bogus and poof

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    FishproFishpro Posts: 381 ✭✭✭

    The “3” in “93” looks filled. Not a clean background

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    LeeBoneLeeBone Posts: 4,316 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm not always the best at spotting a fake slab or coin BUT my grading is pretty good and that coin resting in a 45 holder is just laughable. :D

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