david lawernce ad listing the greatest collections

Gazes

did anyone else notice the ad in this month's greysheet by David Lawerence? It states own a piece of the greatest collection of all time referring to the Hansen collection. It then lists previous great collections during various time periods (ie 1990-2010 bass pogue and richmond). Interesting ad especially if you read between the lines.

privaterarecoincollector

its really not the greatest collection of all times and I cant hear this anymore.

Zoins

Haven’t seen the ad but would love to see it.

Once someone published their version of a greatest collectors list, others were sure to follow.

Gazes

@Zoins said:
Haven’t seen the ad but would love to see it.

Once someone published their version of a greatest collectors list, others were sure to follow.

good point

ricko

Was I listed?? Oh...never mind... I did not sell or show my collection - yet... Cheers, RickO

amwldcoin

Where's TDN? If he's still around I wager he will pounce on this!

jmlanzaf

@ricko said:
Was I listed?? Oh...never mind... I did not sell or show my collection - yet... Cheers, RickO

Your collection is too bright white to qualify.

jmlanzaf

@privaterarecoincollector said:
its really not the greatest collection of all times and I cant hear this anymore.

It's just a talking point. I'm not sure there is a "greatest collection of all time". It's a designation without parameters.

Justacommeman

It is a great collection

m

Yorkshireman

If you have enough money to buy whatever you want, then you can build a great set of anything.
Greatest? Not in my opinion.

MrEureka

@Yorkshireman said:
If you have enough money to buy whatever you want, then you can build a great set of anything.

I’ve seen enough awful collections built by very wealthy people to know that this is not true.

ricko

@jmlanzaf....You may have a point there... Cheers, RickO

Yorkshireman

@MrEureka said:

@Yorkshireman said:
If you have enough money to buy whatever you want, then you can build a great set of anything.

I’ve seen enough awful collections built by very wealthy people to know that this is not true.

I should have added that Assuming you have taste...

Gazes

a few comments to expand on my op:
1) there is nothing wrong with proclaiming you have the best collection. It may or may not be true but its an opinon and fun.
2) i would rather see the back and forth between the parties then having collectors quietly buying rarities and never hearing about where they are or who bought it.
3) the ad not only lists the Hansen collection as the greatest but list other collections that merit attention---if nothing else very interesting.
4) this is fun---no one should be upset

jmlanzaf

@Gazes said:
a few comments to expand on my op:
1) there is nothing wrong with proclaiming you have the best collection. It may or may not be true but its an opinon and fun.
2) i would rather see the back and forth between the parties then having collectors quietly buying rarities and never hearing about where they are or who bought it.
3) the ad not only lists the Hansen collection as the greatest but list other collections that merit attention---if nothing else very interesting.
4) this is fun---no one should be upset

Someone is always upset. Lol

DIMEMAN

Hanson may not have the greatest collection, but he is going to end up with the most complete collection. He continues to update as he goes along which tells me that he is a true collector. Just because he has endless money to spend is no reason to put him or his collection down. When he first started out I felt the same way as some of those here, but after time and learning more about him and the way he is going about this collection......I have nothing but respect for him.

dbldie55

@Yorkshireman said:

@MrEureka said:

@Yorkshireman said:
If you have enough money to buy whatever you want, then you can build a great set of anything.

I’ve seen enough awful collections built by very wealthy people to know that this is not true.

I should have added that Assuming you have taste...

You were absolutely correct. You didn't state that any set built would be great, but that you could build a great set.

Yorkshireman

@dbldie55 said:

@Yorkshireman said:

@MrEureka said:

@Yorkshireman said:
If you have enough money to buy whatever you want, then you can build a great set of anything.

I’ve seen enough awful collections built by very wealthy people to know that this is not true.

I should have added that Assuming you have taste...

You were absolutely correct. You didn't state that any set built would be great, but that you could build a great set.

Yes, one can build a great set if he doesn’t have to deprive himself of a new purchase because of money.

Zoins

Regarding money, how many of what are generally considered great collections were built without a lot of money?

cameonut2011

@Gazes said:
a few comments to expand on my op:
1) there is nothing wrong with proclaiming you have the best collection. It may or may not be true but its an opinon and fun.
2) i would rather see the back and forth between the parties then having collectors quietly buying rarities and never hearing about where they are or who bought it.
3) the ad not only lists the Hansen collection as the greatest but list other collections that merit attention---if nothing else very interesting.
4) this is fun---no one should be upset

The whole debate over who is the "greatest collector" or has the "greatest collection" is naive IMHO. Many people don't advertise what they have and are silent. I'm betting the guy that has a half dozen UHR saints and the J-1776 probably has a lot more that isn't advertised. There are no doubt others with significant coins that don't have registry sets, advertise, and/or brag about it. On the other hand, we can all likely agree that most of the collectors and/or collections discussed in most of these threads are great.

ms70

@Gazes said:
It states own a piece of the greatest collection of all time referring to the Hansen collection.

So I take it as a hint Hansen is going to sell?

cameonut2011

@ms70 said:

@Gazes said:
It states own a piece of the greatest collection of all time referring to the Hansen collection.

So I take it as a hint Hansen is going to sell?

He has many duplicates.

privaterarecoincollector

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Zoins

@cameonut2011 said:

@ms70 said:

@Gazes said:
It states own a piece of the greatest collection of all time referring to the Hansen collection.

So I take it as a hint Hansen is going to sell?

He has many duplicates.

Not only does he have many duplicates he’s selling, in some areas, he has 2 registry sets in the rankings.

oldabeintx

@Zoins said:
Regarding money, how many of what are generally considered great collections were built without a lot of money?

Pittman maybe?

Zoins

@oldabeintx said:

@Zoins said:
Regarding money, how many of what are generally considered great collections were built without a lot of money?

Pittman maybe?

He’s the only one that comes to mind with less money but he was still an executive at Kodak and put his siblings through college from my understanding. It may not be billionaire money but it’s at least solidly upper middle class or lower upper class. Also, he put most of his life savings and mortgaged his house for his coin collection.

And if he’s the only potential exception, with it often stated that it cannot be repeated today, it seems solid upper class money may normally be required to build any generally acknowledged as great coin collection now.

MrEureka

@Zoins said:
Regarding money, how many of what are generally considered great collections were built without a lot of money?

Depends on how you look at it. Not that I'm in Hansen's class, but my collection was built with just a few thousand dollars and a lot of trading. Granted, I spent so much time on the hobby that I'm now more dealer than collector, but everything traces it's way to that little bit of seed money.

Zoins

@MrEureka said:

@Zoins said:
Regarding money, how many of what are generally considered great collections were built without a lot of money?

Depends on how you look at it. Not that I'm in Hansen's class, but my collection was built with just a few thousand dollars and a lot of trading. Granted, I spent so much time on the hobby that I'm now more dealer than collector, but everything traces it's way to that little bit of seed money.

My question is more about collections that are commonly referred to as great such as Hansen, Simpson, Pogue, Newman, Gardner, Norweb, Eliasberg, Garrett, Pittman, Bass, etc.

I’ve seen your name on some impressive provenance chains, but I haven’t seen your collection mentioned in such company yet. That being said, I do admire your collection, especially the CAR coins and dies.

Boosibri

Generally if you are truly the greatest you don’t need to advertise the fact that you are in fact the greatest

MrEureka

@Zoins said:

@MrEureka said:

@Zoins said:
Regarding money, how many of what are generally considered great collections were built without a lot of money?

Depends on how you look at it. Not that I'm in Hansen's class, but my collection was built with just a few thousand dollars and a lot of trading. Granted, I spent so much time on the hobby that I'm now more dealer than collector, but everything traces it's way to that little bit of seed money.

My question is more about collections that are commonly referred to as great such as Hansen, Simpson, Pogue, Newman, Gardner, Norweb, Eliasberg, Garrett, Pittman, Bass, etc.

I’ve seen your name on some impressive provenance chains, but I haven’t seen your collection mentioned in such company yet. That being said, I do admire your collection, especially the CAR coins and dies.

Well, if the question is how many ultra-sophisticated nine figure collections have been built without a lot of money, and without buying and selling along the way, the answer is probably zero. Newman probably came closest, largely because he bought his coins very reasonably and held them an extraordinarily long time.

Zoins

@MrEureka said:

@Zoins said:

@MrEureka said:

@Zoins said:
Regarding money, how many of what are generally considered great collections were built without a lot of money?

Depends on how you look at it. Not that I'm in Hansen's class, but my collection was built with just a few thousand dollars and a lot of trading. Granted, I spent so much time on the hobby that I'm now more dealer than collector, but everything traces it's way to that little bit of seed money.

My question is more about collections that are commonly referred to as great such as Hansen, Simpson, Pogue, Newman, Gardner, Norweb, Eliasberg, Garrett, Pittman, Bass, etc.

I’ve seen your name on some impressive provenance chains, but I haven’t seen your collection mentioned in such company yet. That being said, I do admire your collection, especially the CAR coins and dies.

Well, if the question is how many ultra-sophisticated nine figure collections have been built without a lot of money, and without buying and selling along the way, the answer is probably zero. Newman probably came closest, largely because he bought his coins very reasonably and held them an extraordinarily long time.

Good note. The reason for my question is that some have focused on Hansen’s money and a recent Hot Topics had a greatest collectors list which mentioned the following:

The 5 greatest collectors I listed did not have buy their titles. They absolutely earned them.

While those great collectors may have studied coins, wealth seems like a necessity to build a collection at the levels mentioned in the recent lists by DLRC and Legend, as well as many previous lists and mentions.

cameonut2011

@Zoins said:

@MrEureka said:

@Zoins said:

@MrEureka said:

@Zoins said:
Regarding money, how many of what are generally considered great collections were built without a lot of money?

Depends on how you look at it. Not that I'm in Hansen's class, but my collection was built with just a few thousand dollars and a lot of trading. Granted, I spent so much time on the hobby that I'm now more dealer than collector, but everything traces it's way to that little bit of seed money.

My question is more about collections that are commonly referred to as great such as Hansen, Simpson, Pogue, Newman, Gardner, Norweb, Eliasberg, Garrett, Pittman, Bass, etc.

I’ve seen your name on some impressive provenance chains, but I haven’t seen your collection mentioned in such company yet. That being said, I do admire your collection, especially the CAR coins and dies.

Well, if the question is how many ultra-sophisticated nine figure collections have been built without a lot of money, and without buying and selling along the way, the answer is probably zero. Newman probably came closest, largely because he bought his coins very reasonably and held them an extraordinarily long time.

Good note. The reason for my question is that some have focused on Hansen’s money and a recent Hot Topics had a greatest collectors list which mentioned the following:

The 5 greatest collectors I listed did not have buy their titles. They absolutely earned them.

While those great collectors may have studied coins, wealth seems like a necessity to build a collection at the levels mentioned in the recent lists by DLRC and Legend, as well as many previous lists and mentions.

There is nothing wrong with your post, but tread carefully with mentioning the Hot Topics page. A previous post of mine to this thread was deleted. Of course, it could have been my tone. Anyway, I thought I would give you a heads up.