1795 Silver Plug $1 Grade?

ilmcoins

Currently in a NNC holder. Sending off to the host tomorrow. What do you think grade will be?

Wahoo554

Nice coin. Assuming it doesn’t have any evidence of an old cleaning (which I don’t see in the photos) I would guess VG10.

Insider2

Need better image to take a guess. Note the different color in front of the neck - bad sign. At least it looks genuine!

Suggest you send it in raw and ask for conservation.

2dueces

Has it been plugged?

ilmcoins

@Insider2 said:
Need better image to take a guess. Note the different color in front of the neck - bad sign. At least it looks genuine!

Suggest you send it in raw and ask for conservation.

Will take a better photo in a bit.

Coinstartled

My favorite coin. Have owned 4 or 5.

Looks like an 8 and the plug is well defined which is a big plus.

ilmcoins

@Insider2 said:
Need better image to take a guess. Note the different color in front of the neck - bad sign. At least it looks genuine!

Suggest you send it in raw and ask for conservation.

A little better. There is an odd rainbow effect in the slab in sunlight preventing better photos until I get home later.

amwldcoin

I think 10 details. I think it has been cleaned at some time...question being has it recovered enough over the years or expeditiously recolored.

cardinal

Definitely the BB-21 die variety! The reverse displays a significant amount of detail, but the obverse does not. I would have expected the obverse to have more details based on the remaining reverse details. That said, I figure the details grade at VG-10.

Insider2

@ilmcoins said:

@Insider2 said:
Need better image to take a guess. Note the different color in front of the neck - bad sign. At least it looks genuine!

Suggest you send it in raw and ask for conservation.

A little better. There is an odd rainbow effect in the slab in sunlight preventing better photos until I get home later.

Much better image. The coin has an altered surface. Possibly to hide something but if so, they would have also removed the scratches thru the stars. The reverse looks close to Fine so this coin is a poster child for the old split grade system. Overall from the updated image of just the obverse, I'll guess it comes back as a VG-8. When a coin get's "detailed" the grade is less important so I "liked" the VG-10 opinions also.

ilmcoins

@Insider2 said:

@ilmcoins said:

@Insider2 said:
Need better image to take a guess. Note the different color in front of the neck - bad sign. At least it looks genuine!

Suggest you send it in raw and ask for conservation.

A little better. There is an odd rainbow effect in the slab in sunlight preventing better photos until I get home later.

Much better image. The coin has an altered surface. Possibly to hide something but if so, they would have also removed the scratches thru the stars. The reverse looks close to Fine so this coin is a poster child for the old split grade system. Overall from the updated image of just the obverse, I'll guess it comes back as a VG-8. When a coin get's "detailed" the grade is less important so I "liked" the VG-10 opinions also.

The lighting in these helps more too...

amwldcoin

I hope you don't take this as an insult, and I hope I'm wrong. Your latest pictures make the coin look like it has been whizzed.

Boosibri

No grade I’m afraid

ilmcoins

@amwldcoin said:
I hope you don't take this as an insult, and I hope I'm wrong. Your latest pictures make the coin look like it has been whizzed.

None taken. I pegged it the same as you all.

Insider2

Yikes! That coin is totally "worked."

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MFeld

@Realone said:
Just look at the thicker than normal date, makes the date look all wrong......that is telling right there.

Telling with respect to what? The coin appears to be genuine, but badly messed with. What more does the appearance of the date add?

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MFeld

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@MFeld said:

@Realone said:
Just look at the thicker than normal date, makes the date look all wrong......that is telling right there.

Telling with respect to what? The coin appears to be genuine, but badly messed with. What more does the appearance of the date add?

LOL. Now that is a positive morning affirmation, wake up on the wrong side of the bed testy?

Not at all. It was a serious question, as I didn’t understand the point of your post.

amwldcoin

That's evidence of the coin being whizzed. I felt certain you knew whizzing would do this!

@MFeld said:

@Realone said:

@MFeld said:

@Realone said:
Just look at the thicker than normal date, makes the date look all wrong......that is telling right there.

Telling with respect to what? The coin appears to be genuine, but badly messed with. What more does the appearance of the date add?

LOL. Now that is a positive morning affirmation, wake up on the wrong side of the bed testy?

Not at all. It was a serious question, as I didn’t understand the point of your post.

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jmlanzaf

@Realone said:

@MFeld said:

@Realone said:

@MFeld said:

@Realone said:
Just look at the thicker than normal date, makes the date look all wrong......that is telling right there.

Telling with respect to what? The coin appears to be genuine, but badly messed with. What more does the appearance of the date add?

LOL. Now that is a positive morning affirmation, wake up on the wrong side of the bed testy?

Not at all. It was a serious question, as I didn’t understand the point of your post.

Now you are just being modest......You didn't understand lol, you are MrFeld the smartest numismatist in La Jolla , or used to be.;)
Just to explain, nobody put any photos to compare the features to, I thought that would be helpful since reading the thread it was frustrating reading the evolution of the theories but pretty apparent when comparing photos wish is what I like doing best, just a quirk of my odd nature, I am more of a picture guy rather than a smart guy.

Not to jump into this squabble, i'm still not sure (like Mark) whether you are implying the coin is fake.

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MFeld

@Realone said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@Realone said:

@MFeld said:

@Realone said:

@MFeld said:

@Realone said:
Just look at the thicker than normal date, makes the date look all wrong......that is telling right there.

Telling with respect to what? The coin appears to be genuine, but badly messed with. What more does the appearance of the date add?

LOL. Now that is a positive morning affirmation, wake up on the wrong side of the bed testy?

Not at all. It was a serious question, as I didn’t understand the point of your post.

Now you are just being modest......You didn't understand lol, you are MrFeld the smartest numismatist in La Jolla , or used to be.;)
Just to explain, nobody put any photos to compare the features to, I thought that would be helpful since reading the thread it was frustrating reading the evolution of the theories but pretty apparent when comparing photos wish is what I like doing best, just a quirk of my odd nature, I am more of a picture guy rather than a smart guy.

Not to jump into this squabble, i'm still not sure (like Mark) whether you are implying the coin is fake.

I don't believe it is a fake unless they counterfeited the plug variety. But when you destroy the texture of a coin i.e. all the surfaces then it is impossible to tell if they made an exact copy. However I personally believe it is real due to the plug. But in the end it doesn't matter since the surfaces were destroyed covering up any of a counterfeiter's tracks.Hey what if the counterfeiters did copy the silver plug variety, would it look like this example if they removed the surfaces of the coin to prevent detection? I don't know, I am not smart enough to know such things, but I would personally stay far away from this piece. Then look t the seller, we know his long bad history or the label too.

Thanks, Alan.

7Jaguars

IMO we are seeing the "afteraffects" of smoothing and cleaning as the coin likely had environmental damage or other surface issues that were removed, and then the whole thing toned over.
My opinion: genuine, cleaned & smoothed.

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Insider2

@MFeld said:

@Realone said:
Just look at the thicker than normal date, makes the date look all wrong......that is telling right there.

Telling with respect to what? The coin appears to be genuine, but badly messed with. What more does the appearance of the date add?

Actually, at the beginning of this thread I suspected that the coin may not be genuine for that very reason.

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ricko

@ilmcoins....Please let us know what our hosts determine when you get it back. Cheers, RickO