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When you sell an 1889 S as an 1889 CC

Seriously can't make this stuff up. Its like these ripoffs are just getting lazier by the day...
Either way the coin listed and in the photos is an 1889 S not an 1889 CC
Could we apply some pressure to get this corrected?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1889-CC-US-Morgan-Silver-Dollar-1-not-certified/123890751878?hash=item1cd876d986:g:eocAAOSwX6VdZ7C9

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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,536 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 29, 2019 1:18PM

    Obviously he has no clue and I messaged him yesterday and ...............................we'll see.
    I did tell him he needs to disclose the cleaning as that is one of ebay rules....to disclose any issues or problems.

    bob :)

    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Anybody that can't see that this is a cleaned "S" not a "CC" should take up a different hobby!

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,904 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:
    Anybody that can't see that this is a cleaned "S" not a "CC" should take up a different hobby!

    Everyone was a newbie.

    Everyone had a first purchase.

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:
    Anybody that can't see that this is a cleaned "S" not a "CC" should take up a different hobby!

    Have you never seen a major TPG grading label with the wrong date, variety, mintmark or denomination? Should they take up a different hobby (profession)?

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,904 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @DIMEMAN said:
    Anybody that can't see that this is a cleaned "S" not a "CC" should take up a different hobby!

    Have you never seen a major TPG grading label with the wrong date, variety, mintmark or denomination? Should they take up a different hobby (profession)?

    Maybe ATS. It never happens on this side of the street. :)

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    BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,161 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:
    Have you never seen a major TPG grading label with the wrong date, variety, mintmark or denomination? Should they take up a different hobby (profession)?

    Yes, I own an 1851O 3CS labeled as 1851.

    So?

    -----Burton
    ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
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    OPAOPA Posts: 17,104 ✭✭✭✭✭

    reported

    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BStrauss3 said:

    @MFeld said:
    Have you never seen a major TPG grading label with the wrong date, variety, mintmark or denomination? Should they take up a different hobby (profession)?

    Yes, I own an 1851O 3CS labeled as 1851.

    So?

    I was pointing out to DIMEMAN that people can make mistakes/miss dates, mintmarks, etc. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that (as he put it) “they should take up a different hobby!”

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @DIMEMAN said:
    Anybody that can't see that this is a cleaned "S" not a "CC" should take up a different hobby!

    Have you never seen a major TPG grading label with the wrong date, variety, mintmark or denomination? Should they take up a different hobby (profession)?

    Not even the same thing. I catch that every once in a while on the bay and other places. If you are seriously looking at a coin to purchase and miss the date and mint mark.....it's nobody's fault, but your own.....PERIOD!

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    SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,250 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Gone.

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @MFeld said:

    @DIMEMAN said:
    Anybody that can't see that this is a cleaned "S" not a "CC" should take up a different hobby!

    Have you never seen a major TPG grading label with the wrong date, variety, mintmark or denomination? Should they take up a different hobby (profession)?

    Not even the same thing. I catch that every once in a while on the bay and other places. If you are seriously looking at a coin to purchase and miss the date and mint mark.....it's nobody's fault, but your own.....PERIOD!

    If you feel that way, it sounds like you’re devaluing the responsibility of grading companies in grading and attributing coins, while putting their name on the holders. It’s a different type of responsibility from buying a coin, but one that they take seriously. And yet, understandably, they still make mistakes.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @MFeld said:

    @DIMEMAN said:
    Anybody that can't see that this is a cleaned "S" not a "CC" should take up a different hobby!

    Have you never seen a major TPG grading label with the wrong date, variety, mintmark or denomination? Should they take up a different hobby (profession)?

    Not even the same thing. I catch that every once in a while on the bay and other places. If you are seriously looking at a coin to purchase and miss the date and mint mark.....it's nobody's fault, but your own.....PERIOD!

    If you feel that way, it sounds like you’re devaluing the responsibility of grading companies in grading and attributing coins, while putting their name on the holders. It’s a different type of responsibility from buying a coin, but one that they take seriously. And yet, understandably, they still make mistakes.

    Not at all. I am not devaluing the responsibility of the grading companies. When you label millions of coins you are bound to print the wrong info on the label. It's called a mechanical error and they will fix these at their expense. As a buyer I feel you are responsible for checking the date and MM. JMHO

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Listing is gone now... pulled for error.... Most likely the seller was a bit embarrassed by such a glaring mistake. Cheers, RickO

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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,536 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @BStrauss3 said:

    @MFeld said:
    Have you never seen a major TPG grading label with the wrong date, variety, mintmark or denomination? Should they take up a different hobby (profession)?

    Yes, I own an 1851O 3CS labeled as 1851.

    So?

    I was pointing out to DIMEMAN that people can make mistakes/miss dates, mintmarks, etc. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that (as he put it) “they should take up a different hobby!”

    Mark, should tiis guy stay in the hobby?
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/1889-D-EF-Morgan-Silver-Dollar/283595522768
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/1884-cc-Morgan-Silver-Dollar/283595536371
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/1884-CC-AU-Morgan-Silver-Dollar/283595533676
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/1888-F-Morgan-US-Silver-Dollar/283595528136
    etc

    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,904 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @MFeld said:

    @DIMEMAN said:
    Anybody that can't see that this is a cleaned "S" not a "CC" should take up a different hobby!

    Have you never seen a major TPG grading label with the wrong date, variety, mintmark or denomination? Should they take up a different hobby (profession)?

    Not even the same thing. I catch that every once in a while on the bay and other places. If you are seriously looking at a coin to purchase and miss the date and mint mark.....it's nobody's fault, but your own.....PERIOD!

    It is your own fault, but that doesn't mean you deserve it.

    True story, just yesterday. I was scrapping gold and silver with a local guy. I had a lot of different forms. They were counting, weighing listing. I knew the total was off what I had estimated but I couldn't find the mistake. Last night, I found it: my $40 in 90% quarters was listed as $4.

    I called and we sorted it out. But, using your logic, there are several possibilities:
    1. I should quit the coin business.
    2. They should quit the coin business.
    3. They should go to jail
    4. We both should quit the coin business

    To my thinking, it was an honest mistake that I didn't catch and we worked it all out with no one quitting their job or going to jail.

    The 1st coin I ever bought at an auction was a medieval bronze coin that is virtually nothing but a small porous piece of copper that is allegedly a 12th century Spanish coin. I paid $15 for it. Lucky if it was worth a buck. I learned more and I confidently spend a couple hundred thousand per year on coins without losing my shirt.

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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @MFeld said:

    @DIMEMAN said:
    Anybody that can't see that this is a cleaned "S" not a "CC" should take up a different hobby!

    Have you never seen a major TPG grading label with the wrong date, variety, mintmark or denomination? Should they take up a different hobby (profession)?

    Not even the same thing. I catch that every once in a while on the bay and other places. If you are seriously looking at a coin to purchase and miss the date and mint mark.....it's nobody's fault, but your own.....PERIOD!

    It is your own fault, but that doesn't mean you deserve it.

    True story, just yesterday. I was scrapping gold and silver with a local guy. I had a lot of different forms. They were counting, weighing listing. I knew the total was off what I had estimated but I couldn't find the mistake. Last night, I found it: my $40 in 90% quarters was listed as $4.

    I called and we sorted it out. But, using your logic, there are several possibilities:
    1. I should quit the coin business.
    2. They should quit the coin business.
    3. They should go to jail
    4. We both should quit the coin business

    To my thinking, it was an honest mistake that I didn't catch and we worked it all out with no one quitting their job or going to jail.

    The 1st coin I ever bought at an auction was a medieval bronze coin that is virtually nothing but a small porous piece of copper that is allegedly a 12th century Spanish coin. I paid $15 for it. Lucky if it was worth a buck. I learned more and I confidently spend a couple hundred thousand per year on coins without losing my shirt.

    This is yet a different thing entirely. All I am saying is that if you are looking at a coin to purchase you should know what the Date and MM are....that's all. The mistakes you mentioned here can happen to anyone.

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @AUandAG said:

    @MFeld said:

    @BStrauss3 said:

    @MFeld said:
    Have you never seen a major TPG grading label with the wrong date, variety, mintmark or denomination? Should they take up a different hobby (profession)?

    Yes, I own an 1851O 3CS labeled as 1851.

    So?

    I was pointing out to DIMEMAN that people can make mistakes/miss dates, mintmarks, etc. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that (as he put it) “they should take up a different hobby!”

    Mark, should tiis guy stay in the hobby?
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/1889-D-EF-Morgan-Silver-Dollar/283595522768
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/1884-cc-Morgan-Silver-Dollar/283595536371
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/1884-CC-AU-Morgan-Silver-Dollar/283595533676
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/1888-F-Morgan-US-Silver-Dollar/283595528136
    etc

    I think not!

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,904 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @MFeld said:

    @DIMEMAN said:

    uldn't find the mistake. Last night, I found it: my $40 in 90% quarters was listed as $4.

    I called and we sorted it out. But, using your logic, there are several possibilities:

    \

    The 1st coin I ever bought at an auction was a medieval bronze coin that is virtually nothing but a small porous piece of copper that is allegedly a 12th century Spanish coin. I paid $15 for it. Lucky if it was worth a buck. I learned more and I confidently spend a couple hundred thousand per year on coins without losing my shirt.

    This is yet a different thing entirely. All I am saying is that if you are looking at a coin to purchase you should know what the Date and MM are....that's all. The mistakes you mentioned here can happen to anyone.

    But if you are new to the hobby, like DAY ONE, you don't know what a Red Book is, you may not know what a "CC" looks like, etc. Maybe he thinks the "S" is a C on top of another C? Who knows?

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @MFeld said:

    @DIMEMAN said:
    Anybody that can't see that this is a cleaned "S" not a "CC" should take up a different hobby!

    Have you never seen a major TPG grading label with the wrong date, variety, mintmark or denomination? Should they take up a different hobby (profession)?

    Not even the same thing. I catch that every once in a while on the bay and other places. If you are seriously looking at a coin to purchase and miss the date and mint mark.....it's nobody's fault, but your own.....PERIOD!

    It is your own fault, but that doesn't mean you deserve it.

    True story, just yesterday. I was scrapping gold and silver with a local guy. I had a lot of different forms. They were counting, weighing listing. I knew the total was off what I had estimated but I couldn't find the mistake. Last night, I found it: my $40 in 90% quarters was listed as $4.

    I called and we sorted it out. But, using your logic, there are several possibilities:
    1. I should quit the coin business.
    2. They should quit the coin business.
    3. They should go to jail
    4. We both should quit the coin business

    To my thinking, it was an honest mistake that I didn't catch and we worked it all out with no one quitting their job or going to jail.

    The 1st coin I ever bought at an auction was a medieval bronze coin that is virtually nothing but a small porous piece of copper that is allegedly a 12th century Spanish coin. I paid $15 for it. Lucky if it was worth a buck. I learned more and I confidently spend a couple hundred thousand per year on coins without losing my shirt.

    This is yet a different thing entirely. All I am saying is that if you are looking at a coin to purchase you should know what the Date and MM are....that's all. The mistakes you mentioned here can happen to anyone.

    Yes, of course you should know what the date and MM are when you're looking at a coin for purchase. No one has said otherwise. But that's not all you said. Initially. You also said "Anybody that can't see that this is a cleaned "S" not a "CC" should take up a different hobby!". That sounds like a big leap. That's "all I am saying". ;)

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,904 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @MFeld said:

    @DIMEMAN said:

    ronze coin that is virtually nothing but a small porous piece of copper that is allegedly a 12th century Spanish coin. I paid $15 for it. Lucky if it was worth a buck. I learned more and I confidently spend a couple hundred thousand per year on coins without losing my shirt.

    This is yet a different thing entirely. All I am saying is that if you are looking at a coin to purchase you should know what the Date and MM are....that's all. The mistakes you mentioned here can happen to anyone.

    Yes, of course you should know what the date and MM are when you're looking at a coin for purchase. No one has said otherwise. But that's not all you said. Initially. You also said "Anybody that can't see that this is a cleaned "S" not a "CC" should take up a different hobby!". That sounds like a big leap. That's "all I am saying". ;)

    I'm with Dimeman...we don't need any unsophisticated newbies clogging up our hobby with their money and their ignorance!

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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @MFeld said:

    @DIMEMAN said:
    Anybody that can't see that this is a cleaned "S" not a "CC" should take up a different hobby!

    Have you never seen a major TPG grading label with the wrong date, variety, mintmark or denomination? Should they take up a different hobby (profession)?

    Not even the same thing. I catch that every once in a while on the bay and other places. If you are seriously looking at a coin to purchase and miss the date and mint mark.....it's nobody's fault, but your own.....PERIOD!

    It is your own fault, but that doesn't mean you deserve it.

    True story, just yesterday. I was scrapping gold and silver with a local guy. I had a lot of different forms. They were counting, weighing listing. I knew the total was off what I had estimated but I couldn't find the mistake. Last night, I found it: my $40 in 90% quarters was listed as $4.

    I called and we sorted it out. But, using your logic, there are several possibilities:
    1. I should quit the coin business.
    2. They should quit the coin business.
    3. They should go to jail
    4. We both should quit the coin business

    To my thinking, it was an honest mistake that I didn't catch and we worked it all out with no one quitting their job or going to jail.

    The 1st coin I ever bought at an auction was a medieval bronze coin that is virtually nothing but a small porous piece of copper that is allegedly a 12th century Spanish coin. I paid $15 for it. Lucky if it was worth a buck. I learned more and I confidently spend a couple hundred thousand per year on coins without losing my shirt.

    This is yet a different thing entirely. All I am saying is that if you are looking at a coin to purchase you should know what the Date and MM are....that's all. The mistakes you mentioned here can happen to anyone.

    Yes, of course you should know what the date and MM are when you're looking at a coin for purchase. No one has said otherwise. But that's not all you said. Initially. You also said "Anybody that can't see that this is a cleaned "S" not a "CC" should take up a different hobby!". That sounds like a big leap. That's "all I am saying". ;)

    How about if I take off the word cleaned. Shouldn't everyone dealing with coins be able to tell the difference between a "S" and a "CC"?

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @MFeld said:

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @MFeld said:

    @DIMEMAN said:
    Anybody that can't see that this is a cleaned "S" not a "CC" should take up a different hobby!

    Have you never seen a major TPG grading label with the wrong date, variety, mintmark or denomination? Should they take up a different hobby (profession)?

    Not even the same thing. I catch that every once in a while on the bay and other places. If you are seriously looking at a coin to purchase and miss the date and mint mark.....it's nobody's fault, but your own.....PERIOD!

    It is your own fault, but that doesn't mean you deserve it.

    True story, just yesterday. I was scrapping gold and silver with a local guy. I had a lot of different forms. They were counting, weighing listing. I knew the total was off what I had estimated but I couldn't find the mistake. Last night, I found it: my $40 in 90% quarters was listed as $4.

    I called and we sorted it out. But, using your logic, there are several possibilities:
    1. I should quit the coin business.
    2. They should quit the coin business.
    3. They should go to jail
    4. We both should quit the coin business

    To my thinking, it was an honest mistake that I didn't catch and we worked it all out with no one quitting their job or going to jail.

    The 1st coin I ever bought at an auction was a medieval bronze coin that is virtually nothing but a small porous piece of copper that is allegedly a 12th century Spanish coin. I paid $15 for it. Lucky if it was worth a buck. I learned more and I confidently spend a couple hundred thousand per year on coins without losing my shirt.

    This is yet a different thing entirely. All I am saying is that if you are looking at a coin to purchase you should know what the Date and MM are....that's all. The mistakes you mentioned here can happen to anyone.

    Yes, of course you should know what the date and MM are when you're looking at a coin for purchase. No one has said otherwise. But that's not all you said. Initially. You also said "Anybody that can't see that this is a cleaned "S" not a "CC" should take up a different hobby!". That sounds like a big leap. That's "all I am saying". ;)

    How about if I take off the word cleaned. Shouldn't everyone dealing with coins be able to tell the difference between a "S" and a "CC"?

    I think they should. But if they couldn't, before saying that they should take up a different hobby, I'd try to help them. And admittedly, I'd also suggest they stop buying coins until they could tell the difference.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,505 ✭✭✭✭✭

    poof

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    BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,161 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity

    -----Burton
    ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")

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