ProofArtworkonCircs / Herbert Hicks. PCGS Now Recognizes his 1968 S Type F Washington Quarter.

RadioContestKing

Back In 2012 I started talking with Herbert as we both shared a Passion for all the Varieties in the Washington Quarter Series and I only learned later his passion for all the Modern Varieties. I was only 2 years into learning the Varieties for the Washington Quarter Series 1932 thru 64 and the proofs 32 to 64 which was already overwheming . But I could tell from our talks he had that same passion of sharing info he had learned over the years. During one of our conversation he told me of a coin on ebay for sale.

It was the 1968 S Type F Washington Quarter. It was selling for 99 bucks and I bought the coin as soon as he told me about it. He started a thread which I will include here. Now after ALL these years I was told by another member yesterday that PCGS is Now Requiring this coin in a Set.

There are no graded examples so far but when the other member told me about this I quickly realized this was the coin I bought that Herbert told me about and has the actual discovery for. I just thought that was really cool, almost 3 years after he passed away and his work is finally getting in to a Set. Congrats to Herbert.

Variety Vista Link.
varietyvista.com/09b%20WQ%20Vol%202/DDR%20Detail%20Pages/1968SRDV005.htm

I had the coin straight graded way back than and its in a Proof 68 Slab. I will send this off in the next few weeks and see if I can get the first one graded. Herbert had so much knowledge and I was so sad to hear of his passing. I remember his relatives came and posted on a thread about all the coins they found and they did not realize the scope of his collecting. I also wonder where all those coins and his notes are and hope his family kept everything.

Coin World Article.
https://coinworld.com/news/precious-metals/variety-researcher-and-writer-herbert-hicks-dead-at-81.html

Forum Discussion.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/892241/proof-1968-s-type-f-quarter-quickly-sold-on-ebay#latest

Enjoy Tom

ricko

Very nice quarter...Thanks for the picture.... Let us know how the other fares at grading. Cheers, RickO

dlmtorts

Proofartworkoncircs/ Herbert Hicks’ impact lives on. He had tons of knowledge and happily shared it. I sold a b reverse quarter on eBay many years ago and received an email from him anointing me as a b reverse expert. I’m not. I didn’t find out til later that he was THE expert on those as well as many others. I learned a lot from him. He is missed.

Great find Tom. Keep us posted on the attribution of this one by our host. I think the torch has passed and now you Tom and Cladking are the experts on Washington varieties. I hope to see the 2 of you post more in the future. I always enjoy your posts.

ECHOES

Thanks for the info...

NorCalJack

Tom,

Thanks for sharing this background story. 2012 was prior to me collecting Washington Quarter Varieties, but he sounded like he had a wealth of knowledge. I know you also have a wealth of knowledge on this series and for you to say Herbert had way more than you, really makes a statement as to how much Herbert knew.

You have directed and mentored me on numerous coins that I otherwise would not been able to identify. I did not know what a pick-up point was until we started talking about Varieties. Some of Herbert's knowledge has been passed onto you and you have been gracious enough to pass that information onto me and I greatly appreciate your generosity and cherish our friendship.

Jay

RadioContestKing

@dlmtorts said:
Proofartworkoncircs/ Herbert Hicks’ impact lives on. He had tons of knowledge and happily shared it. I sold a b reverse quarter on eBay many years ago and received an email from him anointing me as a b reverse expert. I’m not. I didn’t find out til later that he was THE expert on those as well as many others. I learned a lot from him. He is missed.

Great find Tom. Keep us posted on the attribution of this one by our host. I think the torch has passed and now you Tom and Cladking are the experts on Washington varieties. I hope to see the 2 of you post more in the future. I always enjoy your posts.

Thanks for the comments and my guess is more of his work will be recognized in the future. Jay there are not many folks around who show the interest in varieties like you do. I love to share the info that I have learned with someone who just does not expect to get all the pickup points without trying to learn them.

There is a BIG Difference between a Collector and a Specialist.

Enjoy Folks and Once Again Congrats to Herb...…..

georgiacop50

@ricko said:
Very nice quarter...Thanks for the picture.... Let us know how the other fares at grading. Cheers, RickO

If I am interpreting what I am reading correctly, Tom has but the one coin and it has been graded 68. It just needs to go back in for the attribution. But since he is wise he will likely take a shot an an upgrade at the same time.

Congrats to Tom and Herbert

PocketArt

Here I believe is my type F. Master-die doubling on upper inside of Q, arrows above pointed leaf. Just need that type E now!

RadioContestKing

@PocketArt

Thanks. I do believe you are right and I did make a Mistake in my original post. I copied the link to the 005 which is the type E.

The rdv-006 is the Type F. varietyvista.com/09b%20WQ%20Vol%202/DDR%20Detail%20Pages/1968SRDV006.htm

I went to the Bank yesterday and pulled out all my coins. I now believe the proof 68 that I have shown in the original thread is Actually the type H. I have another proof 65 slabbed that has the serif coming off the N which I now believe is the type F and no picture available yet. I still also have raw coins I need to go thru to make sure.

Will research this weekend......Before Herb passed away we were working on trying to identify which Proof Quarters between 1932 and 1964 had a Closed E-S instead of the Open one that was on all type B Quarters and most proofs. I still cannot find that list I sent to him.

I did notice on my type H the space is open on the E and S where the Type F is NOT open between the E and S. Your picture of your type F looks like the E and S are closed. Interesting..... If you look at my original picture you can see the separation.

dlmtorts

Tommy, my understanding is type H was 1969-1972. I have an old post with pics of type h, which were called Type b then - at least as to circ strikes. Proof reverses of that era should br type h, I think.

PocketArt

@dlmtorts said:
Tommy, my understanding is type H was 1969-1972. I have an old post with pics of type h, which were called Type b then - at least as to circ strikes. Proof reverses of that era should br type h, I think.

Type H can be found on proofs from '68-'72 according to Cherrypicker's.

@1tommy

Yes, on my type F, it is not open between E and S. Also, that would be awesome if you come across that information you, and your mentor had put together on the closed space between E and S on earlier proofs. The amount of varieties he recognized and discovered is amazing.

davewesen

I am confused - what registry set is it required in?

the pictures always show close-ups, I wish they would show tail-feathers that to me show differences between types

what is the PCGS number for 1968-S type F ? any link to official announcement ?

davewesen

I guess I found it - complete proof variety set

coinfacts page -> https://pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/794719

RadioContestKing

@dlmtorts said:
Tommy, my understanding is type H was 1969-1972. I have an old post with pics of type h, which were called Type b then - at least as to circ strikes. Proof reverses of that era should br type h, I think.

I am going to include this other link to a pdf. This guy did a presentation on these with info from Herb and others. I think its a great read. It also says the type H is common on the 1968 s and it sure matches the picture of my proof 68. I also believe my proof 65 is the type F. In my search I have not found anymore raw 1968 s in the house. I do have a DDO that is raw and was found in a album that needs to go in....GL everyone.

heartlandcoinclub.com/Documents/Washington%20Quarters%20Reverse%20Design%20Varieties%20(RDV)%20From%20A%20to%20H,%20and%20Beyond%20Rev.%203-2019.pdf

PocketArt

@1tommy said:

@dlmtorts said:
Tommy, my understanding is type H was 1969-1972. I have an old post with pics of type h, which were called Type b then - at least as to circ strikes. Proof reverses of that era should br type h, I think.

I am going to include this other link to a pdf. This guy did a presentation on these with info from Herb and others. I think its a great read. It also says the type H is common on the 1968 s and it sure matches the picture of my proof 68. I also believe my proof 65 is the type F. In my search I have not found anymore raw 1968 s in the house. I do have a DDO that is raw and was found in a album that needs to go in....GL everyone.

heartlandcoinclub.com/Documents/Washington%20Quarters%20Reverse%20Design%20Varieties%20(RDV)%20From%20A%20to%20H,%20and%20Beyond%20Rev.%203-2019.pdf

What a valuable resource @1tommy

Thank you for sharing this information. I will have fun going through what I have, and searching in the wild. Nice presentation by Mr. Gallego from what has been compiled thus far. Again, thank you!!!!!

davewesen

I looked through my stuff and found one in a PCGS slab. I will send it in with a graded Type B and see if I can get variety designations.

cladking

I looked through a few hundred '68 proof sets and never found a type F.

davewesen

@davewesen said:
I looked through my stuff and found one in a PCGS slab. I will send it in with a graded Type B and see if I can get variety designations.

PCGS now has the pair for variety/reholder. I no longer can find the set it is required in, so will see if designated.

RadioContestKing

As long as you put the right coin number PCGS #: 794719 I would think that and writing the Type F should work. I really hope to send mine off this week.... GL and here is the Link to the Set that requires this coin.

https://pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-specialty-sets/washington-quarters-complete-variety-set-proof-1936-present/2922

PQueue

Lots of minutiae.

davewesen

@1tommy said:
As long as you put the right coin number PCGS #: 794719 I would think that and writing the Type F should work. I really hope to send mine off this week.... GL and here is the Link to the Set that requires this coin.

https://pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-specialty-sets/washington-quarters-complete-variety-set-proof-1936-present/2922

thx - wow currently 304 coins in set

davewesen

got mine back yesterday - waiting for TruView

794719 1968-S 25C FS-901 Type F Reverse PR69 USA

RadioContestKing

Wow Congrats on the Grade and would love to see the Truview. My package got there On Tuesday and will post when the grade pops and surprised yours only took a few weeks. I think Your coin is going to be a Top Pop for awhile and will see if any of them get a Cameo.

Enjoy Tom

BuffaloIronTail

@ricko said:
Very nice quarter...Thanks for the picture.... Let us know how the other fares at grading. Cheers, RickO

Man, that Quarter is sharp as all heck!

Enjoy the added chart of 1964-D Quarter reverses:

Pete

davewesen

What do I have here? Are type F and Type G actually different dies, or just differences in strike depth?

My coin I had listed on eBay

Part of an eBay message saying it is a type G ->

I've highlighted a couple of the telltale features on the attached photo of your quarter - the elongated, doubled leaf (red arrow), and the sharply-cut, high relief lower wing margins (long red lines) - both of these are absolutely diagnostic for the type G reverse.

The red arrow pointing to a double leaf, is actually a beveled edge.

I have looked at different angles and see different things.
The top right upright of the N has a serif on the left.
Below and to the right of the arrowhead, the leaf seems wider than others.
The eagles talons cover some of the ribbon, but what is shown is complete.
There is not much of a top back eagle head feather.
The leaf in front of the arrowheads is more pointed than round.

It is said type G was made from type F artwork, so what is different between the 2?

davewesen

I have asked Jose via email about his Heartland presentation on some specifics and to join this thread. Also Tom who was the member on eBay who mentioned PCGS was in error to join this thread.

My takeaway differences between Type F and Type G?
VarietyVista -> Leaf in front of arrow is pointed and not round
Heartland club -> there is a serif on upper of N in UNUM

I am sure there are many more, and would like to make some overlays. There a few different reverses during the early clad years, used at different mints during different years.

davewesen

Jose and Tom both got back to me via email, waiting for their approval before they can post here. The Heartland presentation guide has some errors related to the Type F, G and 1968-S decision tree. The 2 page quick reference guide is correct. Both F and G have serifs on N. Some of email from Jose -

"I have a question on your Heartland Coin Club pdf. The 2 pages on RDV-006 and RDV-007 (p 13 and 14) have identifiers. What is the significance in some being green while some are black?"

The significance of the green is that those are the essential differences that should help differentiate from other similar RDVs. They are meant to attribute the variety. The Quick Reference Sheet has fewer pick-up points, and it is intended to be used to identify the variety quickly, but I would suggest looking at those green notes to confirm that it is the RDV that one thinks it is.

In the notes section on page 14, you say Type G was made from Type F artwork, Type F does not have serif on N of UNUM. Is this a typo?

Yes, it is a typo. I will replace the "does not " part with "also." Type F (RDV-007) does have a serif on the N of UNUM and doubling on the inner circle of the "Q" of QUARTER.

"as the flowchart at the end says the serif on the N is basically only difference between F and G."

No, that is not correct, I will fix that too.

Tom also sent some pics ... with explanation

Tip #1 - get yourself a known example of a type F and type G reverse quarter so that you can look at them in hand. All 1969-P quarters have a type F reverse, and you already have a type G reverse on the 1968-S quarter (about 75% of 1968-S quarters have type G, with most of the remainder being type H).

Tip #2 - take a look at the photo with type F and G reverse quarters side by side. Notice how much stronger the lower wing margins are on the type G than the type F. Notice the same in more detail in the Left Wing and Right Wing photos. Notice on the type F reverse how there are weak points on the right wing margin (red arrows), especially on the right arrow, where it more or less fades away entirely. See how much stronger it is on the type G by comparison.

RadioContestKing

First I want to thank you for going the extra mile and helping PCGS and all of us Collectors with figuring this out. I am glad to hear that those specialist will be coming on the site to help with this. My Type F is in the final process of grading before they ship. The Grade just posted as a Proof 66 and it shows they put the Type F on That Label.

Once my true view comes out I think than it will be clearer if I have a Type F or Not. It's too bad that they got the first coin wrong and it happens to be the one you sent in first. I understand that it was supposedly the first coin they graded even with the pops showing one graded Proof 67, which I wonder if that coin exist.

I am also glad that you did not sell the coin and that speaks volume to me and the other collectors about your integrity. I will post my true view as soon as it comes up. Thanks Again...…..

IkesT

Hi everyone – glad to participate in this forum!

To continue with what Dave posted on my behalf – the largest and most apparent difference between the type F and type G reverse is the much stronger lower wing margin on type G. Once you have learned to recognize the high-relief lower wing margin on type G, you can readily identify type G using only this pickup point. That being said, there are also a few others you can use.

Originally, the type G reverse was made from the type F reverse in the same way the type B reverse was made from the type A reverse – the fields were lowered by carving metal away, thereby increasing the relief of the surrounding devices. Unlike the type B reverse, where all of the fields were lowered, the fields on the type G reverse were only lowered in specific areas (namely, under the wings and around the wing tips, which consequently are also stronger on type G than on type F).

In the process of lowering the fields under the wings, a few other adjacent design elements were also modified on type G, relative to type F.

1) The far left leaf appears doubled/elongated.
2) The tip of the left leaf is more rounded
3) The top arrow tip is elongated, leaving a smaller gap between it and the left leaf
4) The top arrow barb is missing

The 2 common reverse design varieties (RDVs) for 1968-S proof quarters are type G and type H – once you know these, you can turn your attention to the 2 hard to find RDVs – type E and type F. Much has been said on this forum about type H (which, in turn, has the same pickup points as type B ), so I will assume that most or all of you know this one, already.

So – you have a 1968-S proof quarter that is NOT a type G or a type H. Is it a type E or a type F?

Look at the lower margin of the left wing where it meets the eagle's leg. On type F, the wing margin remains strong all the way to the leg, while on type E, it fades out as it meets the leg. This weak region extends about 4 feathers away from the leg. This is the most obvious pickup point to separate the two. Another difference is that type F has master doubling (most evident on the “Q” of “QUARTER”), while type E does not.

There are other pickup points that could be used, but these are the ones I find easiest. Hopefully, you will have success in identifying your 1968-S quarter RDV's. Keep in mind that type C and type D reverses also appear on 1960's clad quarters, but not on 1968-S, so you can ignore them, for now.

Enormously helpful in learning all of these varieties is the documentation by Jose Gallego, James Wiles, and of course Herbert Hicks.

BTW, I created these figures with images from PCGS Coinfacts.

Tom

IkesT

Here is a timely test of your skills - a second image, purported to be 1968-S Type F reverse, has just appeared on Coinfacts. Is this a Type F reverse? If not, what is it? I will wait for others to respond before I give my opinion.

Here is the address for the full resolution image:
https://images.pcgs.com/CoinFacts/38347589_178295383_Max.jpg

Tom

IkesT

BTW, it looks like this must be the same PR66 that @1Tommy mentioned in his last post.

RadioContestKing

Tom.

Thanks for joining this conversation and helping out the members. Yes the coin you pictured is the one I sent in and PCGS messed up on my true view and now wants me to send them the coin back. I figured there was no point in posting there picture but with you being the expert maybe you can see thru the terrible picture.

Now as far as this coin being the True Type F I can see the stem just above the T in Quarter looks thicker than the first example. I also see my M in Unum is more centered to the above IB in Pluribus. This is the coin that Herbert told me to buy so I would have thought it is the Type F? The coin will be sent back as soon as they send me the free shipping label.

Again thanks to Dave for getting you involved in this discussion.

Tom

davewesen

I would like to back up a little bit questioning this statement ->

Originally, the type G reverse was made from the type F reverse in the same way the type B reverse was made from the type A reverse – the fields were lowered by carving metal away, thereby increasing the relief of the surrounding devices. Unlike the type B reverse, where all of the fields were lowered, the fields on the type G reverse were only lowered in specific areas (namely, under the wings and around the wing tips, which consequently are also stronger on type G than on type F).

I disagree in that I will argue the Type B is a different die than A, not just deepened. I will point to the fonts and locations of the S's in STATES. Many of the leaves on the wreath are longer, not just deeper (especially the first to the left of the arrowhead).

davewesen

I do not know what the following 3 are, but look at the differences at the S's of STATES and the tail feathers. I would argue they are different dies.

IkesT

Thanks 1tommy & davewesen (guess I should use handles, since there are 2 Tom's in the mix!).

Both of your posts bring up a point I need to emphasize. Not every pickup point works to identify every RDV. The stem above the "T" in "QUARTER", and the "ES" in "STATES" can be used to identify a type B or type H reverse, but they are not informative for distinguishing between a type F and type G, because they look the same on type F and G.

When you are identifying RDV's you must ask yourself - what are the possible RDV's for the date, and what are the best pickup points for those particular RDV's? In the case of the type G reverse, this again is the high-relief lower wing margin. To learn the RDV's for 1968-S quarters, this should be the absolute first pickup point you learn and the first one you look for.

Once again, I recommend looking at a type F and type G reverse side by side in hand to help learn the difference. All 1969-P, 1971-P, 1972-P (and a vast majority of 1971-D and 1972-D) have a type F reverse. About 75% of 1968-S and 95% of mint set 1970-D quarters have a type G reverse.

davewesen, your top and middle photos are both type G. The difference you see in the lettering appears to be due to die polishing - proof dies are frequently polished to maintain the mirrored fields, and this can wear away at the design elements, particularly the smaller ones such as lettering (look at "PLURIBUS" and how worn it looks at the top). Your bottom photo is type H.

1tommy, I am sorry to say that your PR66 is also type G. It has all of the type G pickup points, and they are clear and unambiguous in the photo.

Take a look at the following comparison photos - the coin on the left is a type F reverse correctly identified by @cmerlo1 . The coins on the right belong to @1tommy and @davewesen, respectively.

IkesT

IkesT

@davewesen said:
I would like to back up a little bit questioning this statement ->

Originally, the type G reverse was made from the type F reverse in the same way the type B reverse was made from >the type A reverse – the fields were lowered by carving metal away, thereby increasing the relief of the surrounding >devices. Unlike the type B reverse, where all of the fields were lowered, the fields on the type G reverse were only >lowered in specific areas (namely, under the wings and around the wing tips, which consequently are also stronger >on type G than on type F).

I disagree in that I will argue the Type B is a different die than A, not just deepened. I will point to the fonts and >locations of the S's in STATES. Many of the leaves on the wreath are longer, not just deeper (especially the first to >the left of the arrowhead).

As I recall, the conventional wisdom is that type B was made from type A (I think perhaps Herbert Hicks discussed this), but I would agree with you that the type B is so extensively different that it might as well have been a completely different design. I suppose there might be mint records that could confirm this one way or the other.

IkesT

IkesT

It can be very difficult to describe things in a non-confusing way, so please cut the authors some slack if you are looking at a guide and something appears not quite right or misleading. I already noticed something in my earlier post which could be confusing:

I said:
The stem above the "T" in "QUARTER", and the "ES" in "STATES" can be used to identify a type B or type H reverse

What I meant is, you can use these pickup points to identify a type B or type H, as compared to other RDV's of the same date as your coin. Type B and type H would also match each other in both of these pickup points, so it would not distinguish them from each other (but type B and type H are found exclusively on different dates, so you could tell them apart that way, even if you did not know about the difference in tail feathers between these 2 varieties).

IkesT

IkesT

davewesen, to be completely clear -

Your top and middle photos are both type G. The difference you see in the lettering between these two photos appears to be due to die polishing - proof dies are frequently polished to maintain the mirrored fields, and this can wear away at the design elements, particularly the smaller ones such as lettering (look at "PLURIBUS" on the middle photo and how worn it looks at the top).

Your bottom photo is type H. You are correct that there are inherent design differences in both the lettering and tail feathers (not to mention other pickup points) between the type H and type G.

IkesT

IkesT

If you are still having trouble seeing the stronger/high-relief lower wing margin of the type G reverse, Herbert Hicks gave a very helpful tip for this, years ago. He described it as being "very sharp and like a vertical wall", and also noted that the height of it was so prominent that it would catch his fingernail while dragging it across the coin. I don't advocate dragging your fingernail on a nice proof or UNC quarter, of course, but you get the idea.

Also, on type F, the feathers that make up the lower wing margin are rounded at the tips, such that the wing margin appears lightly scalloped. On the type G, the lower wing margin has been recut as a very sharp, smooth curve - the scalloped margin has been eliminated.

IkesT

RadioContestKing

@IkesT

Well that means our host is 0/2 with getting this Variety right and if there is a Proof 67 as the pops show it sure makes you wonder if that one is wrong too. Tom, I truly appreciate you spending the time and coming on this site. It's Never good news to know a coin you bought and spent money on getting graded is Wrong.

In my case the coin had a connection to Herb and at the time of purchase I did not do the research I should have done. Lesson learned. I will get the other examples as you suggested and the studies will begin. My Coin will be going back to pcgs for a partial refund on them getting the variety wrong and will be removed from the pops. @SetRegistryManager

Again thanks Tom

IkesT

@1tommy

You're very welcome, Tom - glad to help. Hopefully, we are helping PCGS nip this problem in the bud. I'd like to see them be successful at attributing this and other clad quarter RDV's. Might be worth asking if you could get more than a partial refund for your trouble (plus, you and Dave helped them, afterall) - the worst they could say is "no".

IkesT

IkesT

There are a couple of photos from early in this thread that I haven't specifically addressed, yet:

@1tommy - You are correct that your photo from the original posting is a type H. The type H looks just like type B, except that center lines have been added to the tail feathers.

@PocketArt - Your coin shown on Aug. 22 is a type G. The lighting and angle of the your middle photo is such that it shows the wall-like appearance (as Herb put it) of the lower wing margin rather well, especially on the right wing.

IkesT

SFDSA

Hi IkesT,
I do have a E and F type currently and would love to share if interested after I get them back from pcgs. They were originally graded by anacs PF67 each, so hopefully they will grade well as 67 or higher on the crossover.
I do have photos of them in there orginal anacs containers and can share the information if you so desire.
All the best,
David

IkesT

@SFDSA

Hi David,

That's great that you have both. I've seen several 1968-S Type E/Type F quarters attributed by ANACS, and there was no problem in terms of the variety attribution among the ones I looked at.

If you have submitted a Type E to PCGS for variety attribution, then I am afraid you are out of luck. I looked at the registry set list for the proof varieties, and Type E was not listed (only Type F). Hopefully, someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this means they will not attribute the Type E.

IkesT

IkesT

@SFDSA

David, it would be very useful to see a photo of your Type F, either now or when you get the variety attribution from PCGS. We currently have 2 known examples of Type G being called Type F. If you do have a Type F, it would be helpful to see whether it comes back correctly attributed.

Thanks,

IkesT

SFDSA

Hi IkesT,
I will send you a picture of it by the message system. That way you or I do not have to wait for the photo to be approved.
Give me a minute to warm up the camera.
David

IkesT

Here is a photo of David's coin - it was attributed as Type F by ANACS and I see from the photo that it is correct. So, PCGS will be receiving at least one coin that is a known Type F.

IkesT

SFDSA

Hi ikes& Tom,
I have been busy emailing pcgs talking with Mr. Feltner. He has been great getting these FS-901s figured out and graded correctly. I currently have an email into Mr. Feltner about the issue ikes brought up about 2 graded FS-901s with true views that were graded incorrectly, and if pcgs was going to look into this matter and identify these coins and remove them from the registry. I was successful in having my 1968-S graded as a PF68 FS-901, and it should be the highest currently graded. Don't get me wrong but just trying to keep the integrity of pcgs grading up to par.
All the best,
David

RadioContestKing

David.

First congrats on getting your coin graded and it grading the proof 68. I see the picture has showed up in coin facts which is a good thing except since the coin is not in a set the magnifier does not work. Please post the true view here. Now everyone knows I HATE seeing varieties that are wrong.

I took your advice when I sent my coin back in 2 weeks ago. I wrote in big letters ATT: Mr Feltner. I also wrote on the form that my coin was WRONG. I cannot believe that I got an email yesterday saying the coin was shipped back. So I go look and sure enough they did NOT fix the Coin. It is still the Type F and I guess all they did was take the true view that they did not take the first time.

I Hate that they now do not show the graded coin until after they ship. That is Just NUTS. There is just no chance in stopping a shipment when they do this. I tried calling Mr Feltner yesterday and finally just left my phone number and have heard nothing back.

The coin is already in the Mail. While I applaud you trying to fix the other coins all I can say is GOOD Luck.

Enjoy Tom

IkesT

@1tommy, @SFDSA

Congratulations from me too, David, on the grade and getting the correct variety attribution - your persistence finally paid off! Similar to Tom's experience, it sounds like there was a lot of frustration behind the scenes in getting this to happen.

Tom, I am flabbergasted to hear of your latest results - very frustrating. It seems like they need a key to the 4 reverse design varieties, along with photos, that the attributors can use. It's one thing as an enthusiast to spend the time to learn/memorize all 4 RDV's, but that's not something attributors can do on the fly - they need some sort of handy guide to refer to. I will see what I can put together, post the results here, and also forward them to Steve Feltner.

I think the photo of David's coin from Coinfacts is full resolution, or at least it is, now. Here is the photo:

Image from : https://images.pcgs.com/CoinFacts/38852001_183968585_Max.jpg

SFDSA

I have a question that is not related to this topic but maybe someone could point me in the right direction.
I have a 1953 Washington proof cameo, that is definitely a DDO and a DDR. For grading purposes, which direction should I go? I do know the DDO is used in pcgs sets, but the DDR Is not and haven't found much information on them.
Any help is greatly appreciated!!
David