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1937 Adam Pietz medal

Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,425 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Picked this nice medal up today at a flea market for $3. It was in a filthy small bag on a table of junk jewelry. Google on the fly let me know that Pietz was a medalist, engraver and U.S.mint employee in Philadelphia. Anyone know why he made this self portrait and is the rev his family crest? Slight horizontal misalignment gives it character. Oh yeah, any idea of current value. I'd say it's EF+ IMO. Peace Roy

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No idea of value...but for $3 it is a good pickup....I would think it has a very limited market, JMO.....nice condition and I like the reverse....Cheers, RickO

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    Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,425 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ricko I couldn't believe the rev was so pristine. That cloth bag provided protection and kept the dirt of ages out of the details. BTW I just dug an 1897 IHC with strong Longacres doubling on the rev. It's soaking in distilled water. I'll post it in the detecting forum shortly. Have a good day.

    BST: endeavor1967, synchr, kliao, Outhaul, Donttellthewife, U1Chicago, ajaan, mCarney1173, SurfinHi, MWallace, Sandman70gt, mustanggt, Pittstate03, Lazybones, Walkerguy21D, coinandcurrency242 , thebigeng, Collectorcoins, JimTyler, USMarine6, Elkevvo, Coll3ctor, Yorkshireman, CUKevin, ranshdow, CoinHunter4, bennybravo, Centsearcher, braddick, Windycity, ZoidMeister, mirabela, JJM, RichURich, Bullsitter, jmski52, LukeMarshall, coinsarefun, MichaelDixon, NickPatton, ProfLiz, Twobitcollector,Jesbroken oih82w8, DCW

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Namvet69 .... I look forward to seeing the IHC...Cheers, RickO

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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,232 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've never seen that medal before. It would make a great item for a specialized Adam Pietz medal exhibit.

    At $3 you certainly didn't "overpay"! Nice find.

    All glory is fleeting.
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    keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    wait for Zoins to wake up and he'll tell you about it. :p

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    HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Namvet69 said:
    Picked this nice medal up today at a flea market for $3. It was in a filthy small bag on a table of junk jewelry. Google on the fly let me know that Pietz was a medalist, engraver and U.S.mint employee in Philadelphia. Anyone know why he made this self portrait and is the rev his family crest? Slight horizontal misalignment gives it character. Oh yeah, any idea of current value. I'd say it's EF+ IMO. Peace Roy

    Extracted:

    @Zoins and @RogerB both had threads on Pietz fairly recently, if I read correctly.

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    Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,425 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks @Hemispherical for opening them up. So "immer vorwartz" means always forward.

    BST: endeavor1967, synchr, kliao, Outhaul, Donttellthewife, U1Chicago, ajaan, mCarney1173, SurfinHi, MWallace, Sandman70gt, mustanggt, Pittstate03, Lazybones, Walkerguy21D, coinandcurrency242 , thebigeng, Collectorcoins, JimTyler, USMarine6, Elkevvo, Coll3ctor, Yorkshireman, CUKevin, ranshdow, CoinHunter4, bennybravo, Centsearcher, braddick, Windycity, ZoidMeister, mirabela, JJM, RichURich, Bullsitter, jmski52, LukeMarshall, coinsarefun, MichaelDixon, NickPatton, ProfLiz, Twobitcollector,Jesbroken oih82w8, DCW

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    tokenprotokenpro Posts: 942 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That particular Pietz medal comes in several different metals and also each side is found struck uniface with a blank reverse. That is the family arms on the reverse -- he also designed and struck uniface medals of his two daughters (individually) and a young boy often identified as his son. Teddy Roosevelt, Greta Garbo, Ben Franklin, Charles Lindbergh and other major and minor figures are also subjects of his smaller (under 38mm) medallic work.

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    Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,425 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tokenpro thanks for the info. Do you know if he minted this medal in his studio on Chestnut St in Philadelphia? I did see his name below the crest. There's no markings on the edge. You have any idea of value or recent sales? Have a good day. Peace Roy

    BST: endeavor1967, synchr, kliao, Outhaul, Donttellthewife, U1Chicago, ajaan, mCarney1173, SurfinHi, MWallace, Sandman70gt, mustanggt, Pittstate03, Lazybones, Walkerguy21D, coinandcurrency242 , thebigeng, Collectorcoins, JimTyler, USMarine6, Elkevvo, Coll3ctor, Yorkshireman, CUKevin, ranshdow, CoinHunter4, bennybravo, Centsearcher, braddick, Windycity, ZoidMeister, mirabela, JJM, RichURich, Bullsitter, jmski52, LukeMarshall, coinsarefun, MichaelDixon, NickPatton, ProfLiz, Twobitcollector,Jesbroken oih82w8, DCW

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    JBKJBK Posts: 17,902 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interesting, and well worth $3. How big is it?

    The reverse (German) literally translates as "Always Forward", but I also found a meaning of "Onward and Upward".

    The obverse is in English which is odd given the German on the back. It appears to be his personal medal which he gave to people ("Greetings from...").

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    Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,425 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jbk 38.4 mm and 28g. The crest is very detailed, he must have been proud of his lineage.

    BST: endeavor1967, synchr, kliao, Outhaul, Donttellthewife, U1Chicago, ajaan, mCarney1173, SurfinHi, MWallace, Sandman70gt, mustanggt, Pittstate03, Lazybones, Walkerguy21D, coinandcurrency242 , thebigeng, Collectorcoins, JimTyler, USMarine6, Elkevvo, Coll3ctor, Yorkshireman, CUKevin, ranshdow, CoinHunter4, bennybravo, Centsearcher, braddick, Windycity, ZoidMeister, mirabela, JJM, RichURich, Bullsitter, jmski52, LukeMarshall, coinsarefun, MichaelDixon, NickPatton, ProfLiz, Twobitcollector,Jesbroken oih82w8, DCW

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    tokenprotokenpro Posts: 942 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Namvet69 said:
    @tokenpro thanks for the info. Do you know if he minted this medal in his studio on Chestnut St in Philadelphia? I did see his name below the crest. There's no markings on the edge. You have any idea of value or recent sales? Have a good day. Peace Roy

    I believe that I read that much of Pietz' output was struck at Jos. K. Davison's Sons, a well know Philadelphia die sinker that worked closely with the U.S. Mint. In one auction Heritage hazily alluded to one medal being struck AT the Philadelphia Mint but I have not seen any supporting documentation of that attribution.. A number of PIetz medals can be found in the auction archives of Stacks-Bowers, Heritage, PCAC, eBay, etc.

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    MedalCollectorMedalCollector Posts: 2,103 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Awesome pickup at that price. Definitely not easy to locate. However, they sell occassionally and I dont think $100 is unreasonable.

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    RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Strange that all the text is concentric with the rim except the word "from," which is mostly crooked. ?

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    GluggoGluggo Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 25, 2019 5:56PM

    Here is the link by Zion and there is a picture of your coin but different material bronze vs Lead That Zion posted. So he would be the person to ask for sure.
    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1017150/advanced-adam-pietz-so-called-dollar-collection-sold

    Here is the picture and happy reading nice find

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    tokenprotokenpro Posts: 942 ✭✭✭✭✭

    :)

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    MedalCollectorMedalCollector Posts: 2,103 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Gluggo said:
    Here is the link by Zion and there is a picture of your coin but different material bronze vs Lead That Zion posted. So he would be the person to ask for sure.
    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1017150/advanced-adam-pietz-so-called-dollar-collection-sold

    Here is the picture and happy reading nice find

    Or $300!

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    RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Gluggo's version seems to have a curved - but still crooked - "from."

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    Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,425 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes the word "From" is curved and slightly tilted to the left. Thanks all.

    BST: endeavor1967, synchr, kliao, Outhaul, Donttellthewife, U1Chicago, ajaan, mCarney1173, SurfinHi, MWallace, Sandman70gt, mustanggt, Pittstate03, Lazybones, Walkerguy21D, coinandcurrency242 , thebigeng, Collectorcoins, JimTyler, USMarine6, Elkevvo, Coll3ctor, Yorkshireman, CUKevin, ranshdow, CoinHunter4, bennybravo, Centsearcher, braddick, Windycity, ZoidMeister, mirabela, JJM, RichURich, Bullsitter, jmski52, LukeMarshall, coinsarefun, MichaelDixon, NickPatton, ProfLiz, Twobitcollector,Jesbroken oih82w8, DCW

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