GSA shenanigans, GTG reveal, photo tricks.....
blu62vette
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I posted this as a guess the grade yesterday. When I shot the coin I tried many different light angles to show how bad the coin was and unintentionally I got one image that was almost a trick photo hiding much of the issues with the coin. I thought it would be a nice photo lesson for the forum.
The coin looks to have been scrubbed by the GSA. I actually have a worse one at home in my collection. This one is not mine. It appears they took off part of the toning on this coin. Who knows why but it is scrubbed real good. I have 6 or 7 with knife cuts but this one is real ugly. The other I have is cleaned worse than this, a full scrubbing, makes me wonder if it had color the GSA decided to remove?
It is pretty amazing that the scrubbing almost disappears with one light turned off. This is a great lesson for online buying.
There is no grade to reveal, as there is no way it could ever grade!
I would say enjoy, but really this coin does not fall in this camp.
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That 3rd photo truly is amazing. If it were posted here asking why it was returned as "Cleaned" we'd all surely comment on the light indications of the cleaning (apart from the absence of the toning), but wouldn't have any idea how egregious it really was.
“It is pretty amazing that the scrubbing almost disappears with one light turned off. This is a great lesson for online buying”.
+1
Wow, that's amazing! Now I'm even more leery about every buying online again, unless I feel the seller is responsible and has a good return policy.
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Great photo! Parallel hairlines are very easy to hide with the angle of lighting.
So odd this happened to this coin. Why would anyone do that? I wonder if this coin took a different route to the GSA process than most of its brethren.
The two pictures make it look like a totally different coin.
Thanks, Todd. I first noticed this about 20 years ago when I see some on line images of coins I saw in person at a Long Beach Show.
Carbon flecks on a coin did not appear on an image.
Hairlines on a PF coin did not appear on an image.
Toning on an image was nothing like the toning on the actual coin when you saw it.
For the above reasons, I never buy a coin I have not seen, unless someone I know and trust actually looked at it in person.
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Based on the new images, I'd like to lower my previous grade guess from 66 to 65
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Well played.
My post from the other👇thread before the additional image reveal... 😁😉👍
@Blu62Vette Todd, IMO The obverse of this 1883-CC Morgan appears to have possibly been Lightly Wiped or Thumbed in the vertical direction based on the light vertical streaks discernible below Miss Liberty’s Eye, between her Nose and Ear extending down to her lower Jaw in the vicinity of some light contact marks. (See Red👇Circled Areas).
The coin may also exhibit this same effect discernible in front of Liberty’s Nose and Lips.
If the coin Straight Graded it appears to be an MS-65, however it may have been Genuine Graded due to the above mentioned observations.
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Excellent lesson in photographic lighting variables... Thanks @blu62vette .... Cheers, RickO
Very interesting! I wasn't aware of them doing anything to the coins...
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Interesting, thanks for sharing !!!
Nicely done @Stuart !!
Thanks Todd!! 😁👍
Stuart
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What is the explanation for this? Did someone crack the holder and substitute a cleaned coin? I thought the GSA slabs were used for coins found in bags from vaults?
Common date but still that’s tragic looks like someone got stopped in
The process of trying to get the tarnish off? I can hear it now “HAY what the hell are you doing over there!”
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Thanks for the lesson, Todd.
Great lesson. A friend on the forums gave me a similar lesson on tangential lighting and how it picks up every flaw on the coin when photographing not too many years ago!
It was not cracked and replaced, I would just guess the GSA was testing out a real bad idea.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I seem to recall hearing that some coins were returned to the vaults after some time in the wild. I’m not sure where I heard this........
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