Pwcc doesn’t seem to be hurting

Just scanned through some of the closed auctions.... it doesn’t look like they hurting, still getting strong prices

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  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 972 ✭✭✭

    Orioles93 is right. A lot of collectors are probably in the dark about the scandal. A lot of them probably don't pay attention to the forums either.

  • pab1969pab1969 Posts: 190 ✭✭✭

    I tried to snipe 4 auctions. I figured, just maybe the prices would be lower due to the scandal. Nope, still lost out.

  • CrissCrissCrissCriss Posts: 741 ✭✭✭

    Once again......when the National
    rolls around in a few weeks, the lines at PSA will be long, money will be flowing heavily in the room, people will be bidding freely and KendallCat will still be ducking having a friendly drink with The Crisser.

    95% of the people buying cards don’t know or care.

    The Crisser
  • saucywombatsaucywombat Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭

    Do you think the New York Times article today will help?

    While pointing out the problem it was also suggesting that the reality is that the hobby may be willing or has accepted alteration of cards (drawing comparisons with the art world where restoration is an accepted practice)

    It is inviting the question of what level of alteration may be acceptable in the card collecting world, as some level of alteration is accepted in other forms of collecting.

    But it does draw the bright line distinction that as of now the widely held expectation for top prices would include "no alteration"

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  • prgsdwprgsdw Posts: 380 ✭✭✭
    edited June 14, 2019 1:22PM

    I sure hope so.

    I take no solace in the fact that 95% of people don't know that they are walking through a mine field. This issue cuts across non-sports, all sports, all eras, all grades. Having undetected alteration foisted upon a collector isn't a choice to be accepted. PSA and grading companies have long standing standards that I don't feel should change just because a major consignment company thinks they should...

    Steve

  • PROMETHIUS88PROMETHIUS88 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭✭

    @CrissCriss said:
    Once again......when the National
    rolls around in a few weeks, the lines at PSA will be long, money will be flowing heavily in the room, people will be bidding freely and KendallCat will still be ducking having a friendly drink with The Crisser.

    95% of the people buying cards don’t know or care.

    Do they even let The Crisser in the VIP lounge??

  • 70ToppsFanatic70ToppsFanatic Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭

    @prgsdw said:
    I sure hope so.

    I take no solace in the fact that 95% of people don't know that they are walking through a mine field. This issue cuts across non-sports, all sports, all eras, all grades. Having undetected alteration foisted upon a collector isn't a choice to be accepted. PSA and grading companies have long standing standards that I don't feel should change just because a major consignment company thinks they should...

    Steve

    +100



    Dave
  • It's pretty simple. The vast majority of collectors are opportunists and capitalists. If they see value they will buy regardless of the source. One of the largest problems in society today is the fact that governments down to the individual person will generally always choose the option that makes them the most profits regardless of whether it is right or wrong. Even in the case of the religious person with devout beliefs these beliefs seem to always be superseded by Capitalism.

    It's this reason alone I know PWCC will continue to thrive even though they have been proven of wrongdoing and should see jail time.

  • HighGradeLegendsHighGradeLegends Posts: 1,431 ✭✭✭

    @vols1 said:
    It helps to bid on your own card...

    HA!

  • HighGradeLegendsHighGradeLegends Posts: 1,431 ✭✭✭

    @orioles93 said:
    A large majority of collectors probably don't even know anything happened.

    This

  • krisd3279krisd3279 Posts: 557 ✭✭✭

    @HighGradeLegends said:

    @orioles93 said:
    A large majority of collectors probably don't even know anything happened.

    This

    +1

    Kris

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  • 60sfan60sfan Posts: 283 ✭✭

    @ArtVandelay said:
    It's pretty simple. The vast majority of collectors are opportunists and capitalists. If they see value they will buy regardless of the source. One of the largest problems in society today is the fact that governments down to the individual person will generally always choose the option that makes them the most profits regardless of whether it is right or wrong. Even in the case of the religious person with devout beliefs these beliefs seem to always be superseded by Capitalism.

    It's this reason alone I know PWCC will continue to thrive even though they have been proven of wrongdoing and should see jail time.

    What about Moser and the TPG's?

  • Give it six months. pwcc is sitting on a lot of inventory at the moment.

  • mccardguy1mccardguy1 Posts: 1,408 ✭✭✭

    @pab1969 said:
    I tried to snipe 4 auctions. I figured, just maybe the prices would be lower due to the scandal. Nope, still lost out.

    Hence the issue.

    The only way to for change is to affect their wallet. You cannot put a dent in their wallet if you are still bidding on their items, no matter the lower prices or not. As collectors we have to learn to say "no more" so that we can affect change. The only way we can say no more is to not participate in their business. Less collectors bidding means lowered realized prices and diminished returns for the auction house. Lets get back to selling to one another for a fair price. Use the boards on here and other places to sell. If we really want to effect change we MUST actually do something.

    I am on a budget and I am not afraid to use it!!
  • 60sfan60sfan Posts: 283 ✭✭

    @orioles93 said:
    A large majority of collectors probably don't even know anything happened.

    That's because PWCC and PSA did not put the statements they released on their websites or on their twitter accounts.

  • AFLfanAFLfan Posts: 281 mod

    That is ridiculous. There are plenty of sources from which people could learn about the current situation.

    Todd Tobias
    PSA Employee & Grateful Collector
    I focus on autographed American Football League sets, Fleer & Topps, 1960-1969, and vintage lacrosse cards.
  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,103 ✭✭✭

    @60sfan said:

    @orioles93 said:
    A large majority of collectors probably don't even know anything happened.

    That's because PWCC and PSA did not put the statements they released on their websites or on their twitter accounts.

    Precisely. An email blast would have been nice, but so far the issue has only been addressed with the collectors who already knew about it. Those who don’t are in the majority.

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  • orioles93orioles93 Posts: 2,924 ✭✭✭

    Maybe this is just my opinion but I’d say majority of collectors don’t even know this message board exists, or even use PSA other than buying cards that are already graded. I know plenty of collectors just local to me that don’t use any online websites like this, and the only thing they do online is buy the occasional card on eBay. For the most part they go to local shows and markets and card shops and that’s it. I’m sure there are plenty just like them that would have no way of hearing about this, even if emails were sent and things were posted on Twitter and message boards.

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  • drcdrc Posts: 388 ✭✭✭
    edited June 15, 2019 11:59AM

    Mastro was once by far the biggest auction house, "breaking sales records and getting the highest prices for cards," and was cruising along fine until a well-heeled collector refused to pay a big bill because he felt he was cheated. Mastro essentially eventually went bankrupt/petered out as Legendary (consigners didn't want to consign to an auction house under legal threat and in financial trouble, and their last auction had pitiful offerings), and three executives went to prison for a combination of shilling and undisclosed "conservation" . . . Sound like "deja vu all over again"? You tell me.

    Besides the "buy backs" which could break them (PCWW only gets a small % from the sales, so how are they cover if many cards are returned for full refund?), PCWW would be trouble if there are legal indictments only in part because who is going to consign their valuables to a company in big legal trouble?

    Due to the sudden financial problem from disputed sales, Mastro (as Mastro) closed their doors virtually overnight.

    I will add that one of the pieces of evidence, first posted on a sports memorabilia chat board that led to prison, was before and after photos of a cabinet cards that was conserved. In this case, the cabinet card could be reasonably said to have been conserved-- pencil marks were removed, it was cleaned up. Nothing illegal about the conservation, but the conservation was not disclosed at auction, and that's what was illegal.

  • Time4aGansettTime4aGansett Posts: 355 ✭✭✭

    Let's see how PWCC handles themselves at the National. I'm sure the minority of collectors in the know will be sure to educate the majority of those not in the know.

  • HighGradeLegendsHighGradeLegends Posts: 1,431 ✭✭✭

    @Time4aGansett said:
    Let's see how PWCC handles themselves at the National. I'm sure the minority of collectors in the know will be sure to educate the majority of those not in the know.

    This.

    I won't be at the national, but I hope someone from this forum posts all about the reaction

  • CrissCrissCrissCriss Posts: 741 ✭✭✭

    The Crisser’s VIP Lounge is the bar at Gibson’s. 😉

    The Crisser
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