@dust3110 said:
I thought that maybe you would be able to tell just from the look of the coin if it's real or not since you have presumably seen quite a lot of wheat pennies over the years.
We all think it's fake. You don't seem to like that answer.
There are numerous die struck fakes. Looking at a bad picture will not yield easy authentication.
Ask for a color photo. New or not, he should be able to email you a raw photo.
@dust3110 said:
All right if you truly believe it's fake. But he says that I can get my money back if it's fake. Would an unscrupulous seller say something like that?
@dust3110 said:
I am not a troll. I am seeking honest opinions and I am not getting any.
You are getting honest opinions - the best members can do from an out of focus, low quality image and scattered data.
Rather than arguing value or anything else than cannot be determined here, send it to PCGS or NGC and let their experts do a careful physical examination.
@dust3110 said:
All right if you truly believe it's fake. But he says that I can get my money back if it's fake. Would an unscrupulous seller say something like that?
Yes. Would an unscrupulous seller tell you he was going to take your money and flee the country?
Either you are that naive or you are trolling.
Cons are accomplished by people LYING.
Again, stop arguing with us. Ask for a better photo.
Collector for 50+ years, eBay seller for 20+ years (25,000+ items sold), employed in the business for 10+ years. But none of that matters as long as you're determined to hold out for the answer you're looking for.
@dust3110 said:
I mean no qualifications authenticating coins though. Not professional coin graders.
You are most definitely trolling. You came to us and now you are complaining that we aren't expert enough? LMAO. Then please take this question to a more knowledgeable group.
Here is another approach to the question "what makes us suspicious," in particular, what makes me suspicious.
I've seen hundreds of circulated 1943 steel cents over the years. A very high percentage of them have some degree of corrosion, or almost a "powdery" appearance due to the oxidation of the zinc coating. This 1944 cent just doesn't have those attributes. As others have said, it looks like a gray scale image of a copper cent. It doesn't have the look of a real steel cent. Do a search on ebay for circulated 1943 steel cents -- there are lots of them available. You should see what I mean.
@dust3110 said:
just let me know all of your qualifications if you are all experts ok?
Then why are you asking, and continuing to ask, our opinion? After you buy if from your eBay expert that is willing to sell it for a fraction of it's value, please come back here and tell us "I told you so".
@dust3110 said:
I am not a troll. I am seeking honest opinions and I am not getting any.
You are getting honest opinions - the best members can do from an out of focus, low quality image and scattered data.
Rather than arguing value or anything else than cannot be determined here, send it to PCGS or NGC and let their experts do a careful physical examination.
As far as you asking what qualifies any of the members here, there are many knowledge people here,
This guy: @RogerB is not only very knowledgeable but published.
I think you would be way ahead to put your $700 Canadian on black and give the wheel a spin.
You asked for opinions,
I wouldn't put my money on it.
Poor pictures, a guy that says he doesn't know, but isn't willing to take a chance of $60.00 to find out at a third party grader, but wants you to spend $1000.00?
It's unfortunate that you appear to be more suspicious of people with nothing to gain trying to help you than of someone trying to profit from telling you what you want to hear.
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What grade do you think the coin in the image is?
Damaged. No grade. If it’s authentic
So where did the $1000 price tag come from?
Smitten with DBLCs.
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
I knew it would happen.
He could run it as an auction and it could end wherever.
Really? But he knew to ask $1000 and he knew it was worth more but couldn't list it form more because he's new...???
You don't see the mammoth holes in that alleged story.
The picture. There is no reason to paint a coin silver to call it a silver coin.
The too low price.
The new seller.
The rarity of the coin.
You're receiving good advice from knowledgeable numismatist but you're unwilling to listen. Why?
We all think it's fake. You don't seem to like that answer.
There are numerous die struck fakes. Looking at a bad picture will not yield easy authentication.
Ask for a color photo. New or not, he should be able to email you a raw photo.
With all due respect, it appears that you're looking for confirmation of what you have already decided you want to do.
Yes.
You are getting honest opinions - the best members can do from an out of focus, low quality image and scattered data.
Rather than arguing value or anything else than cannot be determined here, send it to PCGS or NGC and let their experts do a careful physical examination.
Yes. Would an unscrupulous seller tell you he was going to take your money and flee the country?
Either you are that naive or you are trolling.
Cons are accomplished by people LYING.
Again, stop arguing with us. Ask for a better photo.
Well then BUY IT ALREADY.
We are 100% unanimous in our opinion. We think it's fake. We think it's a scam. We can't tell you anything more specific based on that photo.
STOP ARGUING WITH US AND BUY IT.
Who is making that guarantee?
Then buy it. That's what you want, right?
Collector for 50+ years, eBay seller for 20+ years (25,000+ items sold), employed in the business for 10+ years. But none of that matters as long as you're determined to hold out for the answer you're looking for.
Then how did you get the award?
I described my qualifications. You are free to use that information however you think best.
YOU came top US, not the other way around
I have 50 years experience and millions in sales. And I even answer questions from trolls. What more do you need?
I've actually TAUGHT courses.
You are most definitely trolling. You came to us and now you are complaining that we aren't expert enough? LMAO. Then please take this question to a more knowledgeable group.
I hope you had your fun. It was fun for me.
Here is another approach to the question "what makes us suspicious," in particular, what makes me suspicious.
I've seen hundreds of circulated 1943 steel cents over the years. A very high percentage of them have some degree of corrosion, or almost a "powdery" appearance due to the oxidation of the zinc coating. This 1944 cent just doesn't have those attributes. As others have said, it looks like a gray scale image of a copper cent. It doesn't have the look of a real steel cent. Do a search on ebay for circulated 1943 steel cents -- there are lots of them available. You should see what I mean.
Then why are you asking, and continuing to ask, our opinion? After you buy if from your eBay expert that is willing to sell it for a fraction of it's value, please come back here and tell us "I told you so".
As far as you asking what qualifies any of the members here, there are many knowledge people here,
This guy: @RogerB is not only very knowledgeable but published.
I think you would be way ahead to put your $700 Canadian on black and give the wheel a spin.
You asked for opinions,
I wouldn't put my money on it.
Poor pictures, a guy that says he doesn't know, but isn't willing to take a chance of $60.00 to find out at a third party grader, but wants you to spend $1000.00?
C'mon man - really?
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Just wondering why I can’t find the eBay listing?
Smitten with DBLCs.
Come on, that's the oldest excuse in the scammer playbook. If they know nothing about anything, offer them a dollar. 100x profit for them.
It's unfortunate that you appear to be more suspicious of people with nothing to gain trying to help you than of someone trying to profit from telling you what you want to hear.
You don't know this coin had those qualities. You haven't seen it.
The Chinese fakes, by the way, DO have those qualities. They are made of steel.
You examined and measured the coin yourself?
Buy it. You'll be rich.
Actually, several people have, but you are ignoring them.
Could you link to the listing? I couldn't find it on ebay
https://www.ebay.com/itm/rare-wheat-penny-1944-steel/392304212008?hash=item5b57273828:g:Mp0AAOSwizRc5OOj
Description by the above.