Welcome thoughts regarding 1799 $10 Gold Piece
northcoin
Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭✭✭
Again, welcome thoughts. This one is a Large Stars 1799 $10 gold piece that I have had for almost eighteen years. Considering submitting it to PCGS and then CAC.
6
Comments
Great looking coin, I don’t think it would grade do to the cleaning on the reverse. Still a sweet coin to own.
The angle of the photo makes it hard to judge this piece fully, but I do see a patch of suspicious hairlines by the word “AMERICA” on the reverse that will probably give you some trouble with respect to a straight grade. I hope I’m wrong.
Even if it doesn’t straight-grade it’s certainly a coin worthy of submitting. This will answer the issue of authentication for future potential buyers, provide some protection for the coin, and who knows, it might grade out OK.
Wow...nice old gold.... looks like someone removed something on the reverse.... It could come back details... but still worth getting authenticated. Cheers, RickO
I agree with BryceM - submit it to a major, if it straight grades, then consider CAC.
If not, but comes back Genny, you're still ahead (I'm assuming it's already in a third-world slab
judging by the plastic around it).
Love the gold @northcoin.
Ah, the reverse, did someone try and cleanup a mustard spill?
It so so specific that that area.
Submit.
Please lets us know what happens.
Wow China already did really good work nearly 2 decades ago
Sorry as I couldn't resist
I agree with @Billjones and feel it will details grade.
PCGS back in the body bag days would refuse early gold for even far less.
The Chinese seem to be too cheap to put good metal in most of their garbage.
Here is one of the date that graed AU-55.
Looks like an accugrade holder. I'd definitely get it in PCGS, even if only a genny.
Collector, occasional seller
It’s a well struck coin with a strong obverse and no adjustment marks on the face. It looks like the reverse has been cleaned around 4:00. The obverse to me looks a little splotchy to the right of the portrait suggesting an old cleaning. Even if it comes back genuine it’s an attractive coin.
IF that is straight graded you have a real winner, however while it likely will not, it is worth submitting just to authenticate it. Not many of those around in any condition.
Details or not, definitely worth sending in, truview, too!
My YouTube Channel
Wow 😮
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/publishedset/209923
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/album/209923
Obviously, there might be some difficulty getting the coin both authenticated and graded. However, if you will send it to me - very quickly - I will return to you a brand new, crisp Ten Dollar ($10.00) FRB in exchange --- PLUS refund your postage !
I'll stand next to the PO box awaiting your package.
No doubt that this will grade “UNC Details”...they may call it cleaned, damaged or smoothed.
Would be interested around 8,000 (I’ve bought and sold 4 similar ones in the 7500-12,000 range)
Cleaned, but a wonderful coin nonetheless.
I’m curious as to why you started this thread? I’ve seen enough of your posts and coins you’ve posted to believe that you have a grasp on grading, as well as the relative benefits of the various grading companies. What type of response within this thread would sway you to submit the coin to PCGS or leave it as is?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Interesting thought. I wonder what holder it is in. He could always try to cross at "ANY" straight grade, but it would likely be worth more in a PCGS genuine holder if it doesn't straight grade than in generic plastic.
Apologies for not responding earlier. Having computer issues. Again, thanks all for the helpful comments.
To specifically respond to Mark, it is ironic that my motivation to look through some coins (including the one subject of this thread) that haven't seen the light of day since I acquired them was at least in part prompted by a letter I received from one of Mark's associates.
Regardless, send it to our host for grading !!!
I’m literally laughing out loud.😄 Thanks and by the way, if we know one another, please PM me.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
58 details. Considering the huge money at stake I would see if there is some way to wear it down evenly to get it into a straight XF holder with the strong aversion to problem coins.
How do you evenly wear down a 1799 $10? Somehow this doesn’t feel like a good pocket piece coin.
Get that beautiful coin into a holder! Definitely details but still a work of art.
i am giving a different opinion:
the details are great!
the obverse looks like it has something on the surface. pvc? putty? not sure, but the discoloration can be seen around liberty and in front (and on) the face and lower bust.
honestly...
what i would do with this coin if it were mine...and get ready for the peanut gallery to boo and wish for the dislike button to return...
i would sent it to NGC for conservation and grading. i think you have a better chance at a straight grade. this is based solely on what i am seeing the photos. i might say something different if viewing in hand.
either way, get it in a holder just for protection and authenticity. this increases the value even if it doesn't grade. seem like you know this...
The "inside joke" is that Mark Feld works for Heritage Auctions. They recently sent a letter from Greg Rohan to customers soliciting consignments. This must have nudged northcoin to look at dormant parts of his collection - likely for enjoyment rather than other purposes.
It's kind of nice, however, to surprise yourself with coins you've forgotten about. One member referred to it as "cherrypicking your own collection."
Now that's a difficult to "forget about" that has been hiding in one's own collection.
Agree with @roadrunner, that means @northcoin must have one heck of a collection!
How do you "unclean" a coin? Is there any technique to deal with the hairlines, which no one wants on a collectible coin?
I would not even consider "wearing this piece down" to get a straight. grade. That would involve removing whatever Mint State surfaces might be left on this coin. The demand for lower grade (EF-40 and less) is limited, even when it is an early piece of gold like this example. I think that you will get more for it as an "AU details" coin that as an EF-40. You also run the risk of doing further damage when you are wearing it down. These coins are big and soft, and it does not take much to hurt them.
i concur.
especially, since we don't even know for sure it's a "details" grade!
it may display some potential problems in the photos, but let's not grab torches!
a coin like this deserves preservation.
Not to mention on these Early Eagles, the thinness makes them quite bendable. I bought a nice one in a PCGS MS61 once, a dealer we all know who recently was a guest of the government with 3 squares a day, thought it might upgrade. We cracked it and sent it to NGC. They sent it back saying it was "bent". PCGS was willing to regrade it as a 61.
A very sharp strike on the 1799 BD-10, full eagle breast and neck feathers.
The 1799 BD-10 reverse die family:
Eagle ($10) and Half Dollar Reverse Master Die of 1799B
Eagle Reverse Hub of 1799B. Hub also used to create half dollar reverse working dies 1801 T-1, T-2, 1802, 1803 T-2.
1799 BD-10 Reverse Working Die F. Also used on 1800 BD-1 and 1801 BD-1.
Apologies again for the delay in responding as the computer issues continue. Thanks so much Nysoto for the added information.
By the way the book you authored on the subject of the engraver who was responsible for engraving the image on my 1799 coin looks most interesting. How would one secure a copy?
Following are Enhanced Brightened Images that may help others discern more details exhibited by the subject coin, including some Haziness to viewer’s right of Miss Liberty and apparent Hairline Scratches circled in Blue between 2:30-4:30 on the reverse surrounding the word “America”.
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
@1northcoin, thanks for the interest in my book, Robert Scot: Engraving Liberty.
The book is the first biography of Robert Scot, who was chief engraver of the US Mint from 1793-1823. Based on archival sources, it contains previously unpublished information of the engraving career of Scot, his family, and the enormous output of engravings Scot completed in the United States. Scot completed historically important engravings throughout the American Revolutionary period, and he should be an American hero for his accomplishments.
The book is still on Amazon, don't pay anymore than the publisher's price from American History Press https://www.amazon.com/Robert-Scot-Engraving-William-Nyberg/dp/1939995094/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Robert+Scot:+engraving+liberty&qid=1559448893&s=gateway&sr=8-1
It is also on the American History Press website.
Thanks for the added info in response to my query. Looking forward to eventually acquiring and reading your book on the subject of the man who engraved many of our country’s earliest coins including the 1799 subject of this thread.