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How would you grade this 1937 brilliant proof buffalo nickel?

BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,725 ✭✭✭✭✭

The following 1937 proof buffalo nickel has been graded by pcgs.
How would you grade it? I will post my thoughts later.

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  • HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Spotted.

    The spots took my train of thought...

  • CameonutCameonut Posts: 7,352 ✭✭✭✭✭

    PR62? That is one ugly coin.

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  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,170 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ungradeable

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  • OldIndianNutKaseOldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭✭

    But for the spots, your 1937 is a very well struck and nicely toned coin. I would guess it was graded PR63.

    Perfect Indian name for would be Spotted Buffalo. Maybe you can now find a blast white one to go with it named Pocahontas.......

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow... If not for the spots... that would be a 67+ or 68.... I have no idea how the spots affected the grade....That is one great Buff if not for the spots...Cheers, RickO

  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmski52 said:
    ungradeable

    This.

  • smokincoinsmokincoin Posts: 2,636 ✭✭✭

    @ricko said:
    Wow... If not for the spots... that would be a 67+ or 68.... I have no idea how the spots affected the grade....That is one great Buff if not for the spots...Cheers, RickO

    I agree! :)

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,559 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @smokincoin said:

    @ricko said:
    Wow... If not for the spots... that would be a 67+ or 68.... I have no idea how the spots affected the grade....That is one great Buff if not for the spots...Cheers, RickO

    I agree! :)

    A lightly hairlined example that would grade 63 without the spots, would likely be indistinguishable in an image from one that would grade 67+ or 68 without the spots. That is especially true for toned examples, such as this one, on which the hairlines would be more difficult to see.

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  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Lots of flies on the prairie.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,806 ✭✭✭✭✭

    5 or 6. Just not terribly attractive. Still, a solid coin.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,685 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If this coin grades 65 or 66, as some have suggested, how do you grade and price a piece that really does grade PR-65 or 66? This coin grades PR-60 or 61 at best. The alternative is Proof, environment damage. Spots do matter; they cannot be ignored.

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  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,725 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It went PR-63. To me its no better than 60 or 61 but we all are entitled to our opinions.

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  • StuartStuart Posts: 9,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would grade it as a Candidate for Conservation in an effort to remove the spots.🧐


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  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Way too many spots for my taste. Peace Roy

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My wager is 63-64. I don't think the spots have reached the point where it deserves a details grade. This is the type of coin that you could submit multiple times and have huge swings as it is always tough to determine how much of a penalty an ugly coin deserves.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,559 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cameonut2011 said:
    My wager is 63-64. I don't think the spots have reached the point where it deserves a details grade. This is the type of coin that you could submit multiple times and have huge swings as it is always tough to determine how much of a penalty an ugly coin deserves.

    You apparently win 😉, as the OP had already posted “It went PR-63. To me its no better than 60 or 61 but we all are entitled to our opinions”.

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @cameonut2011 said:
    My wager is 63-64. I don't think the spots have reached the point where it deserves a details grade. This is the type of coin that you could submit multiple times and have huge swings as it is always tough to determine how much of a penalty an ugly coin deserves.

    You apparently win 😉, as the OP had already posted “It went PR-63. To me its no better than 60 or 61 but we all are entitled to our opinions”.

    I didn't pay attention or finish reading the thread. Oops! Sorry.

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,597 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Genuine. Too badly spotted and ugly to merit a graded holder.

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  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,543 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The spotting breaks my heart!

    It really is a nice solid coin.

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  • batumibatumi Posts: 841 ✭✭✭✭

    @Stuart said:
    I would grade it as a Candidate for Conservation in an effort to remove the spots.🧐

    If the spots could not be removed without damage, it would be a definite 'pass' for me as there are others to choose from.

  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,725 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 12, 2019 3:54AM

    DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A WAY TO TREAT THIS COIN TO REMOVE THE SPOTS?
    Wonder if you sent this coin to any of the grading services that do conservation if they would attempt to
    conserve this coin?
    By the way this coin is not mine but is for sale on eBay right now for over $800.00.
    But I cannot see anyone paying that much for this coin.

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  • DisneyFanDisneyFan Posts: 2,417 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BUFFNIXX said:
    By the way this coin is not mine but is for sale on eBay right now for over $800.00.

    Yes, I found it on eBay. The spots are not so obvious until you see the PCGS certificate picture. If that picture hadn't been posted, someone probably would have bought it by now.

    Does anybody know what caused the spots?

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,685 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Stuart said:
    I would grade it as a Candidate for Conservation in an effort to remove the spots.🧐

    Few, if any of those spots will left. They are part of the coin that probably goes more than skin deep.

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  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,725 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 12, 2019 6:53AM

    While we are talking about 1937 proof buffs here are two more interesting ones on eBay right now
    first a 1937-d proof like which is being offered for over 12 grand!!
    and
    a 1937 proof-67 cameo which is being offered for 14 grand!!
    Wow! These are two “grand” coins to say the least!



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  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,725 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 23, 2019 6:17AM

    I think the first one is way overpriced as I have seen 1937d proof like buffs before.
    But the second one is a real rarity. I was lucky enough to get 1937 proof-67 semi-cameo specimen which was not priced any more than a regular 1937 proof. Very few 37 proofs have gotten the full cameo designation and no 1936 specimens which seems a bit strange? You can rarely get a nice 1937 partial-cameo like I got.

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  • segojasegoja Posts: 6,141 ✭✭✭✭

    those spots are there forever.

    if you could remove them, they would leave a mark...and many of them

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