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Interesting coin for toning... Would it CAC?

jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,558 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited May 8, 2019 10:51AM in U.S. Coin Forum

https://pcgs.com/cert/25642759

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  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If the question is would an astute dealer make an offer on this coin - probably yes. Would I, individually, buy this coin. Nope. Too ugly for words.

  • AlexinPAAlexinPA Posts: 1,458 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Agreed. Too ugly for me.

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Now that is a unique coin ;)

  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Might very well CAC as it's so original mother nature after a rough "girls night out" vomited all over it and forgot to clean up ;)

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  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 8, 2019 9:56AM

    Maybe it's a technical 68, exceptionally strong lustre and a point subtracted for eye-appeal? :p
    edited to add: I hope not, but it's likely original

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,558 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:
    Now that is a unique coin ;)

    As I said, you can make a case that they are all unique. Especially toned coins. I've never seen two identical toning patterns. :wink:

  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,268 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 8, 2019 11:11AM

    Not for me but possibly of interest to toning hobbyist. For CAC the premium in bid value $50 so send in see what happens if that’s your game.

    Irregardless you will need find a buyer who wants it and will pay asking price.

    CPG for CAC 67 $650, bid $500. If you shop it around bourse offers prob range from 300-450 assuming interest. The dark toning would deter many or result in them bidding in low range.

    I would offer $35 for a nice 65 and $60 for a nice 66 of this issue. No dark toning or spots seeking pieces PQ, brilliant with nice luster, lite toning may be ok.

    I would call your 67 piece average quality. It is not a PQ coin in my view. I would not put a sticker on it.

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's hideous, original, and it looks to have solid MS67 surfaces, which means that it probably will sticker.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yuck.... That looks absolutely horrible....As to the question about CAC.... well, based on the quality of the coin, possibly.... as to the tarnish.....I would say that is AT, and depends on how CAC interprets it...Cheers, RickO

  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It sorta looks like a supernova. :D

  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 8, 2019 2:06PM

    Colorful and interesting.......striking and eye-catching. Too many BTW's are drab, mottled brown and silver hues.

    Do not see it as hideous, horrible, ugly, or vomitous (HHUV).

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,613 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @ricko said:
    Yuck.... That looks absolutely horrible....As to the question about CAC.... well, based on the quality of the coin, possibly.... as to the tarnish.....I would say that is AT, and depends on how CAC interprets it...Cheers, RickO

    Shhh….it can't be AT, it slabbed.

    The toning looks natural to me. It’s not a super-rare event to find some of the classic silver commemoratives with fairly similar hues. I like to describe that look as “jewel tones”, a term that I think I picked up from Kathleen Duncan at Pinnacle Rarities, many years ago.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,558 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @ricko said:
    Yuck.... That looks absolutely horrible....As to the question about CAC.... well, based on the quality of the coin, possibly.... as to the tarnish.....I would say that is AT, and depends on how CAC interprets it...Cheers, RickO

    Shhh….it can't be AT, it slabbed.

    The toning looks natural to me. It’s not a super-rare event to find some of the classic silver commemoratives with fairly similar hues. I like to describe that look as “jewel tones”, a term that I think I picked up from Kathleen Duncan at Pinnacle Rarities, many years ago.

    I agree. But so many people here jump at AT for coins like that one.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yep... it could be NT... but it could be AT.... and that is what I think it is.... Cheers, RickO

  • AngryTurtleAngryTurtle Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭

    @topstuf said:
    It sorta looks like a supernova. :D

    Thats what I was thinking, but want going to bring that up. >:)

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,558 ✭✭✭✭✭

    For the record, it DID CAC

  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Good...next

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  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:
    For the record, it DID CAC

    CCE and the Blue Sheet don't indicate a big score >:)

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  • DiggerJimDiggerJim Posts: 406 ✭✭✭✭

    I just threw up in my mouth!! Agghh

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,558 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ColonelJessup said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    For the record, it DID CAC

    CCE and the Blue Sheet don't indicate a big score >:)

    It's not. But my point was more that coins like that get everyone screaming AT around here. But that coin straight-graded and CAC'ed. So people don't have to like it, but they should be a little less certain about yelling AT.

  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,798 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I dislike the overall look and it’s not something that I’d be tempted to buy. Despite that, there’s a few characteristics of the toning pattern that make me think it’s more likely to be natural than AT (which, according to @ricko stands for artificial tarnish).

  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,352 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 8, 2019 4:47PM

    The people at CAC might like it but I don't. I see some nice colors but also looks dark, to the point of terminal, in other areas.

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Realone said:

    @cameonut2011 said:
    It's hideous, original, and it looks to have solid MS67 surfaces, which means that it probably will sticker.

    I hope it would sticker, I like the toning, definitely original and natural and high high grade........my kind of coin.

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and reasonable minds can certainly disagree.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BryceM... AT can also stand for 'accelerated tarnish'....Tarnish is a natural process, it can, however, be artificially induced... Cheers, RickO

  • MrMonkeySwag96MrMonkeySwag96 Posts: 121 ✭✭✭

    I don't mind the obverse too much. It's the reverse that's ugly

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  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Gotta have the pix in the thread.
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    @cameonut2011 said:

    @Realone said:

    @cameonut2011 said:
    It's hideous, original, and it looks to have solid MS67 surfaces, which means that it probably will sticker.

    I hope it would sticker, I like the toning, definitely original and natural and high high grade........my kind of coin.

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and reasonable minds can certainly disagree.

    @cameonut2011 said:

    @Realone said:

    @cameonut2011 said:
    It's hideous, original, and it looks to have solid MS67 surfaces, which means that it probably will sticker.

    I hope it would sticker, I like the toning, definitely original and natural and high high grade........my kind of coin.

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and reasonable minds can certainly disagree.

    Agree. FWIW I’m firmly in the NT camp.

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm wondering how dark this is hand. Phil is usually good about getting A LOT of light on some darkly toned coins, so I'm thinking it is probably darker.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,558 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cameonut2011 said:
    I'm wondering how dark this is hand. Phil is usually good about getting A LOT of light on some darkly toned coins, so I'm thinking it is probably darker.

    The auction photos at Stacks look darker, but their photos sets sometimes too dark.

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    @cameonut2011 said:
    I'm wondering how dark this is hand. Phil is usually good about getting A LOT of light on some darkly toned coins, so I'm thinking it is probably darker.

    The auction photos at Stacks look darker, but their photos sets sometimes too dark. > @washingtonrainbows said:

    I agree NT but CAC don’t think so.

    It already is CAC'ed.

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  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,464 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Way too much damage on face, cabin. Scrapes, digs and scratches, heavy carbonate, weak details are all there on this coin. Overgraded by 2, 3 points IMO and that's being generous.

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  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Whoa ...... that's a crazy toning! I am not sure if CAC is really up to the extreme :s

  • Coin FinderCoin Finder Posts: 7,183 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Only one way to find out...

  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 10, 2019 7:37AM

    I said likely as a troll. >:)
    Unhesitatingly NT. I've never seen toning like that made on purpose or by accident.

    Maybe heating some Vaseline on a stove to about 130 degrees, tossing in any compound of sulfur around, and putting both that and the coin in a blender. Then, rinse in acetone, then muriatic acid and repeat...... Nah....
    The toning, whatever the shades, is in a very natural pattern for the storage these issues sat around in for decades.

    OTOH, I was sincere about it being ugly. :s Being pooped on in technicolor is the same as... :o

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