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A Tale of 2 1825 DO RL 8 reales

bidaskbidask Posts: 13,834 ✭✭✭✭✭

Both of these were auctioned today Heritage CSNS.

The first coin is graded NGC 61..........it brought $780.

The second coin is graded NGC AU 55 .....it brought $2520.
3 points lower.

Care to comment ?

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  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like the second coin better. Apparently, so did the bidders.

  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,528 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Two very different dies. I'm guessing one is scarcer than the other?

  • bidaskbidask Posts: 13,834 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TwoKopeiki said:
    Two very different dies. I'm guessing one is scarcer than the other?

    Both coins have the period between Republica and Mexicana vs. coins struck without the period.
    Dunnigan Parker also state that "there are several different styles of cactus that bear close examination."

    Perhaps that has something to do with the difference in bidding ??

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  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Resplandores notes three different eagle punches, but doesn't list any specific one as scarcer than another. Both the eagle/cactus above appear to differ from the coins pictured in the book.

  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,528 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bidask said:

    @TwoKopeiki said:
    Two very different dies. I'm guessing one is scarcer than the other?

    Both coins have the period between Republica and Mexicana vs. coins struck without the period.
    Dunnigan Parker also state that "there are several different styles of cactus that bear close examination."

    Perhaps that has something to do with the difference in bidding ??

    While both have the period, all other elements (eagle, cactus, legend) are still different. Personally, coin #2 is way more attractive. I'm sure most of us have paid more for an attractive AU example than a beat-up 61-62.

  • mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭

    For the reverse after Mexicana, the AU55 has a dot while the first one does not. Must be rarer variety, the AU55 has great detail and look too

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  • bidaskbidask Posts: 13,834 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @mkman123 said:
    For the reverse after Mexicana, the AU55 has a dot while the first one does not. Must be rarer variety, the AU55 has great detail and look too

    Nice observation ....Dunnigan and Parker do not mention I believe.

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  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 11,841 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The negative eye appeal of the ms61 explains it all to me

  • KkathylKkathyl Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 30, 2019 3:53AM

    I have been told that MS61 means yes coin lacks the rubs but it has way too many marks, scratches distractions that it gets low MS grade. Most agree a little rub is better with less (penalty points). I will take a nicer AU 55-58 over a MS 61-62 and perhaps 63 any day. It’s about strike, eye appeal and all the rest. This is perfect example of that.

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,898 ✭✭✭✭✭

    We need a specialist to comment. Is it the variety or the eye-appeal that made the difference? (Perhaps it was both.)

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  • AbueloAbuelo Posts: 1,759 ✭✭✭✭✭

    One thing is for sure, the 55 is nicer.

  • OriginalDanOriginalDan Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've gotten to the point where that first coin might as well be a chunk of bullion. All the history has been stripped away, so only the metal value remains. #1 is also more weakly struck with negative eye appeal. The 2nd coin is a little dark, but has a sharp strike and what appear to be more original surfaces.

    I'm not a specialist, but the ratio of price #1 to price #2 doesn't seem crazy when you look at the coins.

  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 22,721 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pictures are worth a thousand words... but in this instance, not a thousand dollars as to coin #1

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  • AbueloAbuelo Posts: 1,759 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I also think that AU55 was a bit severe. The eagle's chest looks impeccable.

  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,228 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Dip ye not.

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  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,528 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Abuelo said:
    I also think that AU55 was a bit severe. The eagle's chest looks impeccable.

    NGC can be a bit all over the place, but at PCGS AU grades are all about that luster.

  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 19,642 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Coin 1 is hideous, futzed with, and flat. Coin 2 is attractive, wholesome, and better detailed.

  • scubafuelscubafuel Posts: 1,723 ✭✭✭✭✭

    One looks good, one looks terrible.
    The difference in assigned numbers doesn’t really matter in this case.

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