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Before and After Conservation/Preservation Peace Dollars
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Another ruined 1921
Originals are really tough to find
Now it looks like all of the other dipped '21 Peace Dollars. The color was perfect - not to dark, and accented the design.
Maybe folks should need a license to buy dip. Nevertheless, it's his coin and he didn't ruin it.
Depends on what the OP prefers - it's his/her collection.
I liked the before coin. To me it is ruined.
I would have started with MS70 first, it isn't so aggressive and only removes the "crud". The coin is far from ruined IMO.
Collector, occasional seller
I agree that it is the current owner's to do with as he/she desires, but to me, I FAR prefer the before. I would do something non-destructive to get the crud off the reverse.
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Ouch... not a fan. Looks like it's just another dipped & stripped High Relief Peace now.
I’m confused, what was wrong with the coin before and where did it need conservation? IMHO it looked better “pre-conservation”
I'll just apologize in advance. From the images it looks as if you would have been better served by selecting a different coin that met your expectations which would have avoided the after. I am not trying to be critical, but dipping this coin was not going to transform it into something better.
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What’s the grade?
I liked the original look. Course I did not see it in person.
It is a 62.
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I strongly prefer the pre-dipped look. Now, it lacks soul. Not ruined, but not improved. Much easier to see the hits & chatter now too.
The original look was nice but I dont think the coin is ruined now.
I know I am in the minority... but I like the improved version....Cheers, RickO
I didn't see anything wrong with it and liked it before conservation. It had a nice color and glow.
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Don't like it now either. Plus, I don't know what youo paid to have that done, but that would have been a simple dip at home and could have saved you a ton. In any event it got no character now.
It looked better before. The dipping just seems to emphasize the poor detail in the hair and in the eagle.
I agree about the hair detail. I think the strike along the hair is easier to see, which does not help for this coin.
I have only ever used MS70 on raw coins of limited value, that the extent of where my comfort is.
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You should try to collect an orginal toned set of Peace Dollars with eye appeal to appreciate the before coin.
Many buyers would prefer the conserved piece.
I posted this in another discussion where the OP asked if he should dip his coin. My answer: NO.
That's because as it stands (toned) there are two types of collectors who will want it: Those who like toning for whatever the reason and those who hate it. Once you dip it you are eliminating the potential buyers who like toning.
If you left it alone, the toning guys will want it and the other group will want it so they can dip it!
That's what I would have told the OP before he dipped it. The reverse was ugly anyway. I would have conserved the coin and NOT stripped it.
How do you conserve a coin without stripping it?
Actual conservation involves removing harmful or unattractive things from a coin's surface. So conservation and proper dipping is a form of cleaning. When done correctly, conservation is done in steps until the desired result is reached. Occasionally, a coin will "blow up" anyway.
If I had that coin, everyone except Ricko and the "bright white" guys would have loved the before and after.
Unfortunately, I've been advised not to get specific about conservation techniques on CU. What I would have done should be no secret to the folks doing conservation at PCGS! For example, perhaps acetone mentioned above is a good start and will not strip the coin.
Why not sell the before coin and buy one of the already dipped out widgets vs dipping this one?
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I was thinking of having mine cleaned but it's only an XF so not worth doing.
IMO, it appears your coin has lots of hairlines under the toning. Looks AU-50 and was probably net graded to XF.
Tough crowd!
I'll think twice before I post a 21 peace here.
LOL. It is what it is and I only have an image. I THINK I see diagonal lines over the eagle's back and the surface under "trust" looks funky. It is a nice coin for an XF.
I like the new look better. With this design it makes it pop more. There’s a reason why so many 21’s are dipped.
I'd have to vote for the preconserved look, BUT hey for $50 both will do.
The conservation magnifies all the flaws, weak strike, nicks, etc. I might have bought the before at the right price but never the after.
The latter photo (dipped coin ) doesn't appear to be conservation , or preservation. To me it's ruination. .
i do prefer the before coin myself. we are the minority in the coin industry. the VERY VAST majority just like blast white.
I agree with @insider that had he not done it, two groups would want the coin. HOWEVER, with the coin less ugly-toned, it will get more money when sold. Yes, less people (by some not so marginal amount) will like it, but those people will pay more for it in its present condition.
Ive seen exactly this happen so. many. times.
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The keyword here is "stripped". Dipping does that.
Pete
I think if the coin was posted without the op telling us it was conserved, they would have received more ooos and ahhhs than what they are getting now.
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I am torn here. I prefer originality, but brown-toned 1921s are a dime-a-dozen.
It's somewhat refreshing to see a 1921 look the same way it came off the press.
When this particular coin came off the press it likely had nicer surfaces and better luster than it does now. Certainly it had fewer abrasions....... but I get your point. There are more than a few original surface, blast-white Peace dollars out there still. When you find them, they're really something.
What it lacked in strike before it made up in skin... Now it has 2 reasons to pass for another example
I wonder if it would regrade as MS again dipped?
I like a little color in mine......
Your coin is much more original and a higher grade. Black and brown are not colors I personally value so this one would "blast" if done correctly.
True, it is not ruined = a few years in an envelope or Wayte Raymond album would certainly help "un-ruin" it.
this thread should be studied and re-studied. to me, the coin isn't very attractive before or after conservation and my hunch is that someone looking to buy a 1921 Peace Dollar would probably think twice before buying this one. MS62 High Relief Peace Dollars aren't necessarily very attractive so that presents a problem. the solution is to keep looking till you find an exceptional coin and save your money as you hunt, maybe you can afford an MS63-64.
I wouldn't buy this coin even at a good price for two reasons: I'm pretty sure I wouldn't enjoy looking at it and it would be hard to sell. for all those who complained about the 2nd set of pictures, would you want to own this coin before it was conserved??
I appreciate everyones comments. I do not know any of the techniques to modify the appearance of coins other than acetone and MS-70. I have almost zero experience with acetone doing anything visually helpful to my coins, because I guess my coins have limited PVC/fingerprints on them? but I always soak them for a few days prior to submitting for grading. With regards to MS70 I have seen crud removed on coins I have used it on. It also removed the toning off a kennedy half I used it on, and so, because I am dumb and do not know when or how to properly "help" my coins, I occasionally check a box on a submission to preserve/conserve a coin not knowing the difference between stripping and dipping.
The reverse of the coin was where my interest laid in having it "repaired" and this coin would likely have not looked good if I did a one-sided job. I see the predominance of disappointment in my decision to alter my coin, but now for the fact checking.... Anyone conserve/preserve a coin and wish you hadn't? Are you all capable of telling if a coin has been conserved in its history? Some of you may know how, but I get the feeling there is a bit of bandwagon mentality and "oh he said this" so I will agree, that goes on with some posts.
My opinion, the one I enjoy the most, is the reverse is better, the obverse is worse, I wish I did not conserve!
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