Does this look like MS62 to you???

scvusa · April 19, 2019 1:58PM

Hello All:

This was also posted on the "Q & A" forum and someone suggested I post here as well.
When I discovered this 1896 DMPL in a "Rattler", I snapped it up and think it to be quite a find.
Still not sure how to proceed eventually... (Go for CAC Gold? Submit as "reconsideration"? Submit "regrade" or raw?)

Your thoughts?

Thanks!

PTVETTER · April 19, 2019 2:02PM

1986 grading
First generation

MFeld · April 19, 2019 2:03PM

The second obverse image shows some pretty bad flaws (nearly to the point of “obverse damage”) on Liberty’s face and neck, so yes.

AUandAG · April 19, 2019 2:04PM

Do not resubmit, I don't think it would straight grade with that scratch across her face. If it did 62 is about right....might go for a CAC if you think that would help. Lucky if it greens.

bob
PS: I do like the coin.

skier07 · April 19, 2019 2:05PM

A lot of Morgan DMPLS’s graded in the 1980’s are not DMPL by today’s standards. Whatever you do, don’t crack it out.

scvusa · April 19, 2019 2:12PM

@MFeld said:
The second obverse image shows some pretty bad flaws (nearly to the point of “obverse damage”) on Liberty’s face and neck, so yes.

Those issues are fell less evident in person.

BillJones · April 19, 2019 2:12PM

It might have a chance to upgrade by one point but don't bank on it. The coin has been dipped, and given the desire or "original coins" these days, that is a negative. I'd leave it in the holder. It will be easier to sell that way.

scvusa · April 19, 2019 2:14PM

Thank you all for the advice

VanHalen · April 19, 2019 2:17PM

Not to be a Debbie Downer but the obverse strike is sub-par as well. As noted above, there's a good chance it would not grade DMPL today either. I'd send it to CAC if it were mine. No way it comes out of the rattler.

MFeld · April 19, 2019 2:21PM

@VanHalen said:
Not to be a Debbie Downer but the obverse strike is sub-par as well. As noted above, there's a good chance it would not grade DMPL today either. I'd send it to CAC if it were mine. No way it comes out of the rattler.

I don’t think that coin is anywhere close to weakly enough struck to affect the grade adversely.

MWallace · April 19, 2019 2:29PM

I would leave it and enjoy it as is.

Walkerfan · April 19, 2019 3:58PM

GOLD STICKER.

Don't crack it.....

VanHalen · April 19, 2019 4:05PM

@MFeld said:

@VanHalen said:
Not to be a Debbie Downer but the obverse strike is sub-par as well. As noted above, there's a good chance it would not grade DMPL today either. I'd send it to CAC if it were mine. No way it comes out of the rattler.

I don’t think that coin is anywhere close to weakly enough struck to affect the grade adversely.

That might be true. The hairline is weak nonetheless.

thisistheshow · April 19, 2019 4:07PM

Leave it, don't crack it.

ECHOES · April 19, 2019 4:11PM

@scvusa said:
Hello All:

This was also posted on the "Q & A" forum and someone suggested I post here as well.
When I discovered this 1896 DMPL in a "Rattler", I snapped it up and think it to be quite a find.
Still not sure how to proceed eventually... (Go for CAC Gold? Submit as "reconsideration"? Submit "regrade" or raw?)

Your thoughts?

Thanks!

Coin and Cert Number missing?

CharlotteDude · April 19, 2019 4:16PM

I'm no Morgan expert, but even with that, I'd say it's definite gold bean material.

ike126 · April 19, 2019 5:46PM

I would leave it alone as long as u have a 4 inch mirror its fine

Timbuk3 · April 19, 2019 10:21PM

I agree, I'd leave it alone !!!

Baley · April 19, 2019 10:29PM

Resembles an impaired proof.

ricko · April 20, 2019 6:40AM

I recommend you do not crack it.... It could get a green bean... but with the hits on the neck, cheek and eye brow, well, maybe not.... Cheers, RickO

ColonelJessup · April 20, 2019 6:54AM

@VanHalen said:

@MFeld said:

@VanHalen said:
Not to be a Debbie Downer but the obverse strike is sub-par as well. As noted above, there's a good chance it would not grade DMPL today either. I'd send it to CAC if it were mine. No way it comes out of the rattler.

I don’t think that coin is anywhere close to weakly enough struck to affect the grade adversely.

That might be true. The hairline is weak nonetheless.

@Baley said:
Resembles an impaired proof.

Door #1, please recalibrate your definition of "par" and "sub-par" strikes.
If I gave my true opinion of your statement, I'd be banned.
Back to school, mi amigo.

I'll take Door #2

scvusa · April 20, 2019 11:44AM

@ECHOES said:

Coin and Cert Number missing?

See additional image with cert #

ECHOES · April 20, 2019 2:30PM

@scvusa said:

@ECHOES said:

Coin and Cert Number missing?

See additional image with cert #

Thanks, why/how is it missing in the picture?

VanHalen · April 20, 2019 8:47PM

@ColonelJessup said:

@VanHalen said:

@MFeld said:

@VanHalen said:
Not to be a Debbie Downer but the obverse strike is sub-par as well. As noted above, there's a good chance it would not grade DMPL today either. I'd send it to CAC if it were mine. No way it comes out of the rattler.

I don’t think that coin is anywhere close to weakly enough struck to affect the grade adversely.

That might be true. The hairline is weak nonetheless.

@Baley said:
Resembles an impaired proof.

Door #1, please recalibrate your definition of "par" and "sub-par" strikes.
If I gave my true opinion of your statement, I'd be banned.
Back to school, mi amigo.

I'll take Door #2

Alrighty then. You won't see me posting here again.

Adios amigo.

logger7 · April 21, 2019 3:31AM

There have been a lot of years for these OH coins to have been upgraded as well as submitted to cac. So I wouldn't count my chickens until they're hatched.

ColonelJessup · April 21, 2019 9:31AM

@VanHalen said:

@ColonelJessup said:

@VanHalen said:

@MFeld said:

@VanHalen said:
Not to be a Debbie Downer but the obverse strike is sub-par as well. As noted above, there's a good chance it would not grade DMPL today either. I'd send it to CAC if it were mine. No way it comes out of the rattler.

I don’t think that coin is anywhere close to weakly enough struck to affect the grade adversely.

That might be true. The hairline is weak nonetheless.

@Baley said:
Resembles an impaired proof.

Door #1, please recalibrate your definition of "par" and "sub-par" strikes.
If I gave my true opinion of your statement, I'd be banned.
Back to school, mi amigo.

I'll take Door #2

Alrighty then. You won't see me posting here again.

Adios amigo.

I can defend my position by comparison with hundreds of images of this date in HA archives.
I made no criticism of you, you're not bad. But you are wrong on this one isolated point,
If you were in one of my grading classes at Summer Seminar, you might be more inclined to take my word for it.

School yourself to not take such offense. I myself sometimes suck at that.
So about the disagree ….. you will find as little photographic evidence of that coin being adjudged by experts to have a sub-par strike as you will find crowd-control experts who described the last inauguration Mall-crowd as "yuge"

I wish I could post the images of the last 10 pieces in PCGS MS66 white from PCGS Auction Prices or HA.com for comparison.

scvusa · April 21, 2019 1:09PM

"Thanks, why/how is it missing in the picture?"
ECHOES: I removed it on one image for posting elsewhere to preserve anonymity.

scvusa · April 21, 2019 1:12PM

@logger7 said:
There have been a lot of years for these OH coins to have been upgraded as well as submitted to cac. So I wouldn't count my chickens until they're hatched.

This supposedly was removed from a deceased safe, having not seen the light of day for a long time.

scvusa · April 21, 2019 1:19PM

Here are the images of the aforementioned MS66 DMPL example of the date that is up for auction. Indeed, my 62 it is not that far down the scale from the look of this one.

Does this look like MS62 to you???

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