@keets said: I find it interesting that everyone out here assumes Lewis is guilty when no one was there when it happened.
Jon, if you consider that Ray Lewis lied to the police the morning after the killings, blood from a victim was found inside Ray Lewis' limousine and the White Suit that Ray Lewis was wearing the night of the killings has never been found things might become a little clearer. also, the police had enough evidence to obtain an indictment less than two weeks after the killings. with one of the knives but no prints or DNA evidence on it Ray Lewis cut a deal to save his own skin and ratted out his two friends.
coincidentally, the other two men went to trial and were found not guilty. but yeah, I assume Ray Lewis is guilty.
When it comes to a bar room fight unless the victim(s) are innocent by standers...…..it's pretty much a toss up who is to blame. Even if there is blood on the missing suit that doesn't make Lewis the killer. And no I am not saying Lewis is innocent …..just can't say he is guilty either. When there is a knife fight there can be blood everywhere.
Could have been self-defense. The victims here might have picked a fight with the wrong guys. To be fair, I didn't follow the case when it was in the news.
Many people in this country seem to think justice is served as long as SOMEBODY goes to jail.
None of the things mentioned prove Lewis killed anyone, either in self defense or murder; lying to the police I would say is common practice, blood from the victim doesn't prove how it got there, if there was a knife fight, how could that even be proven? Missing suit is certainly a red flag, but again, it's missing, so no proof can be obtained here. Indicted people are always guilty? I think not. Lewis "ratting" on his friends also means nothing, other than he's a bad friend.
Defendants found not guilty means Lewis would have walked too.
I am an old timer, we didn't kill the other guy if we won a fight, but just because somebody died, doesn't make the other guy a murderer. I don't hang out at bars anymore and stay away from dangerous situations. I wasn't even that tough when I was young and thought I was. ;-)
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@keets said: I find it interesting that everyone out here assumes Lewis is guilty when no one was there when it happened.
Jon, if you consider that Ray Lewis lied to the police the morning after the killings, blood from a victim was found inside Ray Lewis' limousine and the White Suit that Ray Lewis was wearing the night of the killings has never been found things might become a little clearer. also, the police had enough evidence to obtain an indictment less than two weeks after the killings. with one of the knives but no prints or DNA evidence on it Ray Lewis cut a deal to save his own skin and ratted out his two friends.
coincidentally, the other two men went to trial and were found not guilty. but yeah, I assume Ray Lewis is guilty.
When it comes to a bar room fight unless the victim(s) are innocent by standers...…..it's pretty much a toss up who is to blame. Even if there is blood on the missing suit that doesn't make Lewis the killer. And no I am not saying Lewis is innocent …..just can't say he is guilty either. When there is a knife fight there can be blood everywhere.
Could have been self-defense. The victims here might have picked a fight with the wrong guys. To be fair, I didn't follow the case when it was in the news.
Many people in this country seem to think justice is served as long as SOMEBODY goes to jail.
None of the things mentioned prove Lewis killed anyone, either in self defense or murder; lying to the police I would say is common practice, blood from the victim doesn't prove how it got there, if there was a knife fight, how could that even be proven? Missing suit is certainly a red flag, but again, it's missing, so no proof can be obtained here. Indicted people are always guilty? I think not. Lewis "ratting" on his friends also means nothing, other than he's a bad friend.
Defendants found not guilty means Lewis would have walked too.
I am an old timer, we didn't kill the other guy if we won a fight, but just because somebody died, doesn't make the other guy a murderer. I don't hang out at bars anymore and stay away from dangerous situations. I wasn't even that tough when I was young and thought I was. ;-)
There's no reason given to why his fiance was passed out.
The more I read about this stuff the more I realize that Hill and his Fiancé are both dirtbags who happen to be surrounded by big money.
If there ever was a player that should be blackballed from playing in the NFL again,it should be Hill. People deserve second chances but this scumbag used his up already after punching his pregnant girlfriend. I just hope that three year old will get placed with a family member who will actually protect him.
@keets said: I find it interesting that everyone out here assumes Lewis is guilty when no one was there when it happened.
Jon, if you consider that Ray Lewis lied to the police the morning after the killings, blood from a victim was found inside Ray Lewis' limousine and the White Suit that Ray Lewis was wearing the night of the killings has never been found things might become a little clearer. also, the police had enough evidence to obtain an indictment less than two weeks after the killings. with one of the knives but no prints or DNA evidence on it Ray Lewis cut a deal to save his own skin and ratted out his two friends.
coincidentally, the other two men went to trial and were found not guilty. but yeah, I assume Ray Lewis is guilty.
When it comes to a bar room fight unless the victim(s) are innocent by standers...…..it's pretty much a toss up who is to blame. Even if there is blood on the missing suit that doesn't make Lewis the killer. And no I am not saying Lewis is innocent …..just can't say he is guilty either. When there is a knife fight there can be blood everywhere.
Could have been self-defense. The victims here might have picked a fight with the wrong guys. To be fair, I didn't follow the case when it was in the news.
Many people in this country seem to think justice is served as long as SOMEBODY goes to jail.
None of the things mentioned prove Lewis killed anyone, either in self defense or murder; lying to the police I would say is common practice, blood from the victim doesn't prove how it got there, if there was a knife fight, how could that even be proven? Missing suit is certainly a red flag, but again, it's missing, so no proof can be obtained here. Indicted people are always guilty? I think not. Lewis "ratting" on his friends also means nothing, other than he's a bad friend.
Defendants found not guilty means Lewis would have walked too.
I am an old timer, we didn't kill the other guy if we won a fight, but just because somebody died, doesn't make the other guy a murderer. I don't hang out at bars anymore and stay away from dangerous situations. I wasn't even that tough when I was young and thought I was. ;-)
EXACTLY! Why can't others see this!!!
Cause others follow honorable games like ice hockey where the players beat each other up within the confines of the game and leave the women and children out of it.
@Coinstartled said:
Question for Dimeman and Joe Banzai?
Was OJ a murderer?
Funny you should ask. I was working nights at the time of the trial and watched just about every minute of it. I do believe that OJ killed those two people.
@keets said: if the glove don't fit, you must acquit.
Oh wait! I guess he was innocent...........................NOT!
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@keets said: I find it interesting that everyone out here assumes Lewis is guilty when no one was there when it happened.
Jon, if you consider that Ray Lewis lied to the police the morning after the killings, blood from a victim was found inside Ray Lewis' limousine and the White Suit that Ray Lewis was wearing the night of the killings has never been found things might become a little clearer. also, the police had enough evidence to obtain an indictment less than two weeks after the killings. with one of the knives but no prints or DNA evidence on it Ray Lewis cut a deal to save his own skin and ratted out his two friends.
coincidentally, the other two men went to trial and were found not guilty. but yeah, I assume Ray Lewis is guilty.
The media is complicit in this , its reverse racism dammit. They never said a word about the suit . Imagine if a white guy owned a white suit , we'd never hear the end of it! But because he is black he is allowed to walk the streets in a white suit like its ok. What kind of world do we live in where its ok to walk about in a white suit? Whats next polka dots?
On a serious note every time IO hear Ray Lewis on a football pre or post game I lose 3-5 IQ points.
@keets said: I find it interesting that everyone out here assumes Lewis is guilty when no one was there when it happened.
Jon, if you consider that Ray Lewis lied to the police the morning after the killings, blood from a victim was found inside Ray Lewis' limousine and the White Suit that Ray Lewis was wearing the night of the killings has never been found things might become a little clearer. also, the police had enough evidence to obtain an indictment less than two weeks after the killings. with one of the knives but no prints or DNA evidence on it Ray Lewis cut a deal to save his own skin and ratted out his two friends.
coincidentally, the other two men went to trial and were found not guilty. but yeah, I assume Ray Lewis is guilty.
When it comes to a bar room fight unless the victim(s) are innocent by standers...…..it's pretty much a toss up who is to blame. Even if there is blood on the missing suit that doesn't make Lewis the killer. And no I am not saying Lewis is innocent …..just can't say he is guilty either. When there is a knife fight there can be blood everywhere.
@keets said: I find it interesting that everyone out here assumes Lewis is guilty when no one was there when it happened.
Jon, if you consider that Ray Lewis lied to the police the morning after the killings, blood from a victim was found inside Ray Lewis' limousine and the White Suit that Ray Lewis was wearing the night of the killings has never been found things might become a little clearer. also, the police had enough evidence to obtain an indictment less than two weeks after the killings. with one of the knives but no prints or DNA evidence on it Ray Lewis cut a deal to save his own skin and ratted out his two friends.
coincidentally, the other two men went to trial and were found not guilty. but yeah, I assume Ray Lewis is guilty.
When it comes to a bar room fight unless the victim(s) are innocent by standers...…..it's pretty much a toss up who is to blame. Even if there is blood on the missing suit that doesn't make Lewis the killer. And no I am not saying Lewis is innocent …..just can't say he is guilty either. When there is a knife fight there can be blood everywhere.
Stop defending him he never played for Dallas
I'm not defending him...…...I just can't stand this presumed guilty mind set floating around here!
Also @Coinstartled would want us to believe that the NFL is filled with thugs! If the math was done I'm sure the per cent of abusers isn't any higher than any other walk of life. You just never hear about them! But you always hear about athletes and famous people!
And yes, O.J. was guilty and got away with murder. They had all kinds of solid evidence on him and just blew it!
Dime: population of NFL players is in the 1500 range. They could fill a small prison with the druggies, abusers and criminals.
Tom Landry never had these problems. Maybe the tackles have busted their brains. Maybe they figure they can get away with anything. Maybe they are just idiots.
Academic as I have left the game behind a dozen years ago.
@Coinstartled said:
Dime: population of NFL players is in the 1500 range. They could fill a small prison with the druggies, abusers and criminals.
Tom Landry never had these problems. Maybe the tackles have busted their brains. Maybe they figure they can get away with anything. Maybe they are just idiots.
Academic as I have left the game behind a dozen years ago.
To be fair Tom Landry might have had these problems but nobody knew about them. The digital age is far different than it was in the 70’s
@keets said: I find it interesting that everyone out here assumes Lewis is guilty when no one was there when it happened.
Jon, if you consider that Ray Lewis lied to the police the morning after the killings, blood from a victim was found inside Ray Lewis' limousine and the White Suit that Ray Lewis was wearing the night of the killings has never been found things might become a little clearer. also, the police had enough evidence to obtain an indictment less than two weeks after the killings. with one of the knives but no prints or DNA evidence on it Ray Lewis cut a deal to save his own skin and ratted out his two friends.
coincidentally, the other two men went to trial and were found not guilty. but yeah, I assume Ray Lewis is guilty.
When it comes to a bar room fight unless the victim(s) are innocent by standers...…..it's pretty much a toss up who is to blame. Even if there is blood on the missing suit that doesn't make Lewis the killer. And no I am not saying Lewis is innocent …..just can't say he is guilty either. When there is a knife fight there can be blood everywhere.
Could have been self-defense. The victims here might have picked a fight with the wrong guys. To be fair, I didn't follow the case when it was in the news.
Many people in this country seem to think justice is served as long as SOMEBODY goes to jail.
None of the things mentioned prove Lewis killed anyone, either in self defense or murder; lying to the police I would say is common practice, blood from the victim doesn't prove how it got there, if there was a knife fight, how could that even be proven? Missing suit is certainly a red flag, but again, it's missing, so no proof can be obtained here. Indicted people are always guilty? I think not. Lewis "ratting" on his friends also means nothing, other than he's a bad friend.
Defendants found not guilty means Lewis would have walked too.
I am an old timer, we didn't kill the other guy if we won a fight, but just because somebody died, doesn't make the other guy a murderer. I don't hang out at bars anymore and stay away from dangerous situations. I wasn't even that tough when I was young and thought I was. ;-)
EXACTLY! Why can't others see this!!!
Cause others follow honorable games like ice hockey where the players beat each other up within the confines of the game and leave the women and children out of it.
You missed Slava Voynov putting his wife's head through a TV, beating her as well as any NFL player. btw to chicken elmo to drop the gloves on the ice. He did some jail time. Self deported back to Russia for a couple of years. Is back asking to be reinstated to the NHL.
Slava Voynov suspended by NHL until at least 2020 for domestic violence
@Coinstartled said:
Dime: population of NFL players is in the 1500 range. They could fill a small prison with the druggies, abusers and criminals.
Tom Landry never had these problems. Maybe the tackles have busted their brains. Maybe they figure they can get away with anything. Maybe they are just idiots.
Academic as I have left the game behind a dozen years ago.
Tom Landry had to deal with it all; druggies,abusers (both physical & sexual),criminals and even a pedophile. That was just from a 2 minute google search and the worst link I came across,a list of the 10 worst Cowboys of all time,isn't something I can post here. Michael Irvin was given the #1 spot but that ranking was laughable after reading what the some of the earlier Cowboys players had done.
@Coinstartled said:
Thank you for the research Erik. You win the point. NFL has always attracted the sleaze athletes.
I wasn't trying to pick on the Cowboys or Landry there,I bet we could do the same search for any other team and find the same type of stuff if you go back far enough.
In November 1970, San Diego Charger receiver Lance Rentzel was arrested for exposing himself to a 10-year-old girl. He pled guilty to the charge and promised to undergo psychiatric treatment and was given a suspended sentence. Afterwards, fans started calling Rentzel "No-Pants Lance" and making jokes like, "Don’t worry, even if we are down late, I’m sure Lance will pull it out sooner or later."
I wonder how football players compare with players in other sports (i.e. Rugby, Lacrosse, Basketball, Baseball, Hockey, Track & Field, Swimming, Gymnastics, Soccer, Water Polo, etc.) in the area of criminal behavior, drug problems, and abuse (physical, sexual, etc.) of others (women, family members, children, etc.).
My own experience with basketball players is that in general most of them are less of a problem in these areas that football players are.
@SanctionII said:
I wonder how football players compare with players in other sports (i.e. Rugby, Lacrosse, Basketball, Baseball, Hockey, Track & Field, Swimming, Gymnastics, Soccer, Water Polo, etc.) in the area of criminal behavior, drug problems, and abuse (physical, sexual, etc.) of others (women, family members, children, etc.).
My own experience with basketball players is that in general most of them are less of a problem in these areas that football players are.
Well at the pro level there are a lot less basketball players. Have to factor that in.
The NHL has the best-behaved players by a wide margin.
Baseball players have the second-lowest arrest rate and few incidents of violent crime. MLB arrests are usually for DUI.
The smallest league of the four major American sports is the NBA. But basketball players have the highest arrest record of the four, with domestic abuse topping the list of offenses.
According to the FBI, the NFL arrest rate is 1 in 45. The national average for non-players is 1 in 23.
Hockey and baseball players have very few arrests for domestic violence; the NHL and MLB sometimes go for years without a single arrest for domestic issues.
The NFL and NBA have the widest variety of charges—domestic abuse; assault and battery; DUI; reckless driving or behavior; and drug-related crimes.
You can't compare national averages to athletes/players, especially ones at the pinnacle of their sport. We have seen time and time again a blind eye turned towards crimes committed by athletes.
@fergie23 said:
You can't compare national averages to athletes/players, especially ones at the pinnacle of their sport. We have seen time and time again a blind eye turned towards crimes committed by athletes.
Robb
Agreed, I just thought the comparisons between sports were interesting, not so much the comparisons to national averages. With such a small sample size of professional athletes vs general population, there's not a large enough sample size of pro athletes for any meaningful comparison regardless (like comparing athletes performance based on post-season stats).
@fergie23 said:
You can't compare national averages to athletes/players, especially ones at the pinnacle of their sport. We have seen time and time again a blind eye turned towards crimes committed by athletes.
Robb
Agreed, I just thought the comparisons between sports were interesting, not so much the comparisons to national averages. With such a small sample size of professional athletes vs general population, there's not a large enough sample size of pro athletes for any meaningful comparison regardless (like comparing athletes performance based on post-season stats).
I disagree. I think this proves the point that athletes are no better or worse than society when it comes to crime......or anything else for that matter. We just hear about it more because they are famous.
@fergie23 said:
You can't compare national averages to athletes/players, especially ones at the pinnacle of their sport. We have seen time and time again a blind eye turned towards crimes committed by athletes.
Robb
Agreed, I just thought the comparisons between sports were interesting, not so much the comparisons to national averages. With such a small sample size of professional athletes vs general population, there's not a large enough sample size of pro athletes for any meaningful comparison regardless (like comparing athletes performance based on post-season stats).
I disagree. I think this proves the point that athletes are no better or worse than society when it comes to crime......or anything else for that matter. We just hear about it more because they are famous.
What is the NFL minimum now. $400k or so, and these idiots blatantly risk their careers and freedom cause they can't control themselves?
@fergie23 said:
You can't compare national averages to athletes/players, especially ones at the pinnacle of their sport. We have seen time and time again a blind eye turned towards crimes committed by athletes.
Robb
Agreed, I just thought the comparisons between sports were interesting, not so much the comparisons to national averages. With such a small sample size of professional athletes vs general population, there's not a large enough sample size of pro athletes for any meaningful comparison regardless (like comparing athletes performance based on post-season stats).
I disagree. I think this proves the point that athletes are no better or worse than society when it comes to crime......or anything else for that matter. We just hear about it more because they are famous.
What is the NFL minimum now. $400k or so, and these idiots blatantly risk their careers and freedom cause they can't control themselves?
There are a number of reasons actually, some are just straight up thugs, some are completely stupid, some are extremely poor, some have no parental figures but they all happen to be unbelievable athletes and get to the big show and BOOM they get exposed for what they really are.
It’s possible Hill won’t get charged and will move right along in the NFL, sign a long term deal with the Chiefs etc. BUT he won’t be able to hide from himself forever, he will end up doing something to a child or one of his baby mommas eventually and get charged legally
@perkdog said:
It’s possible Hill won’t get charged and will move right along in the NFL, sign a long term deal with the Chiefs etc. BUT he won’t be able to hide from himself forever, he will end up doing something to a child or one of his baby mommas eventually and get charged legally
Yes, that's a real possibility. I hope he realizes he has a lot to lose if he can't learn to control his anger, and never (allegedly) hurts another person.
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@perkdog said:
It’s possible Hill won’t get charged and will move right along in the NFL, sign a long term deal with the Chiefs etc. BUT he won’t be able to hide from himself forever, he will end up doing something to a child or one of his baby mommas eventually and get charged legally
Yes, that's a real possibility. I hope he realizes he has a lot to lose if he can't learn to control his anger, and never (allegedly) hurts another person.
Or he actually decides to lose his temper on someone his own size and gets his head kicked in.
@perkdog said:
It’s possible Hill won’t get charged and will move right along in the NFL, sign a long term deal with the Chiefs etc. BUT he won’t be able to hide from himself forever, he will end up doing something to a child or one of his baby mommas eventually and get charged legally
Yes, that's a real possibility. I hope he realizes he has a lot to lose if he can't learn to control his anger, and never (allegedly) hurts another person.
Or he actually decides to lose his temper on someone his own size and gets his head kicked in.
How about EVERY time?
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It still amazes me they cut Hunt but can morally think it’s ok to keep Hill Who is a child abuser. It’s actually comical, actually more comical than Bob kraft and his fraudulent ways
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Could have been self-defense. The victims here might have picked a fight with the wrong guys. To be fair, I didn't follow the case when it was in the news.
Many people in this country seem to think justice is served as long as SOMEBODY goes to jail.
None of the things mentioned prove Lewis killed anyone, either in self defense or murder; lying to the police I would say is common practice, blood from the victim doesn't prove how it got there, if there was a knife fight, how could that even be proven? Missing suit is certainly a red flag, but again, it's missing, so no proof can be obtained here. Indicted people are always guilty? I think not. Lewis "ratting" on his friends also means nothing, other than he's a bad friend.
Defendants found not guilty means Lewis would have walked too.
I am an old timer, we didn't kill the other guy if we won a fight, but just because somebody died, doesn't make the other guy a murderer. I don't hang out at bars anymore and stay away from dangerous situations. I wasn't even that tough when I was young and thought I was. ;-)
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-tyreek-hill-called-911-after-seeing-fiancee-passed-out-at-house-on-april-1-235344454.html
There's no reason given to why his fiance was passed out.
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The more I read about this stuff the more I realize that Hill and his Fiancé are both dirtbags who happen to be surrounded by big money.
EXACTLY! Why can't others see this!!!
If there ever was a player that should be blackballed from playing in the NFL again,it should be Hill. People deserve second chances but this scumbag used his up already after punching his pregnant girlfriend. I just hope that three year old will get placed with a family member who will actually protect him.
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Cause others follow honorable games like ice hockey where the players beat each other up within the confines of the game and leave the women and children out of it.
Question for Dimeman and Joe Banzai?
Was OJ a murderer?
Funny you should ask. I was working nights at the time of the trial and watched just about every minute of it. I do believe that OJ killed those two people.
Oh wait! I guess he was innocent...........................NOT!
The media is complicit in this , its reverse racism dammit. They never said a word about the suit . Imagine if a white guy owned a white suit , we'd never hear the end of it! But because he is black he is allowed to walk the streets in a white suit like its ok. What kind of world do we live in where its ok to walk about in a white suit? Whats next polka dots?
On a serious note every time IO hear Ray Lewis on a football pre or post game I lose 3-5 IQ points.
Stop defending him he never played for Dallas
I'm not defending him...…...I just can't stand this presumed guilty mind set floating around here!
Also @Coinstartled would want us to believe that the NFL is filled with thugs! If the math was done I'm sure the per cent of abusers isn't any higher than any other walk of life. You just never hear about them! But you always hear about athletes and famous people!
And yes, O.J. was guilty and got away with murder. They had all kinds of solid evidence on him and just blew it!
Dime: population of NFL players is in the 1500 range. They could fill a small prison with the druggies, abusers and criminals.
Tom Landry never had these problems. Maybe the tackles have busted their brains. Maybe they figure they can get away with anything. Maybe they are just idiots.
Academic as I have left the game behind a dozen years ago.
To be fair Tom Landry might have had these problems but nobody knew about them. The digital age is far different than it was in the 70’s
You missed Slava Voynov putting his wife's head through a TV, beating her as well as any NFL player. btw to chicken elmo to drop the gloves on the ice. He did some jail time. Self deported back to Russia for a couple of years. Is back asking to be reinstated to the NHL.
Slava Voynov suspended by NHL until at least 2020 for domestic violence
https://www.latimes.com/sports/kings/la-sp-slava-voynov-kings-nhl-suspended-20190409-story.html
Never trusted the Ruskie skaters.
And Hammer...does the CU software now default to "Elmo??"
Are you sure about that?
https://www.nytimes.com/1983/08/03/sports/cowboys-unsettled-by-cocaine-inquiries.html
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-01-25-sp-1693-story.html
https://www.nbcdfw.com/blogs/blue-star/The-Top-5-All-Time-Cowboys-Criminals-299853601.html
Tom Landry had to deal with it all; druggies,abusers (both physical & sexual),criminals and even a pedophile. That was just from a 2 minute google search and the worst link I came across,a list of the 10 worst Cowboys of all time,isn't something I can post here. Michael Irvin was given the #1 spot but that ranking was laughable after reading what the some of the earlier Cowboys players had done.
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Thank you for the research Erik. You win the point. NFL has always attracted the sleaze athletes.
I wasn't trying to pick on the Cowboys or Landry there,I bet we could do the same search for any other team and find the same type of stuff if you go back far enough.
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I mean they made a movie “North Dallas 40” 😂
This may qualify as the lowest:
In November 1970, San Diego Charger receiver Lance Rentzel was arrested for exposing himself to a 10-year-old girl. He pled guilty to the charge and promised to undergo psychiatric treatment and was given a suspended sentence. Afterwards, fans started calling Rentzel "No-Pants Lance" and making jokes like, "Don’t worry, even if we are down late, I’m sure Lance will pull it out sooner or later."
I wonder how football players compare with players in other sports (i.e. Rugby, Lacrosse, Basketball, Baseball, Hockey, Track & Field, Swimming, Gymnastics, Soccer, Water Polo, etc.) in the area of criminal behavior, drug problems, and abuse (physical, sexual, etc.) of others (women, family members, children, etc.).
My own experience with basketball players is that in general most of them are less of a problem in these areas that football players are.
Well at the pro level there are a lot less basketball players. Have to factor that in.
A relevant article: https://www.allprobailbond.com/blog/news/sports-and-crime-rates/
ETA: Another https://www.vocativ.com/culture/sport/nfl-arrest-rates/index.html
You can't compare national averages to athletes/players, especially ones at the pinnacle of their sport. We have seen time and time again a blind eye turned towards crimes committed by athletes.
Robb
Agreed, I just thought the comparisons between sports were interesting, not so much the comparisons to national averages. With such a small sample size of professional athletes vs general population, there's not a large enough sample size of pro athletes for any meaningful comparison regardless (like comparing athletes performance based on post-season stats).
I disagree. I think this proves the point that athletes are no better or worse than society when it comes to crime......or anything else for that matter. We just hear about it more because they are famous.
Surprising that the guys kneeling before and looking away from > @DIMEMAN said:
What is the NFL minimum now. $400k or so, and these idiots blatantly risk their careers and freedom cause they can't control themselves?
There are a number of reasons actually, some are just straight up thugs, some are completely stupid, some are extremely poor, some have no parental figures but they all happen to be unbelievable athletes and get to the big show and BOOM they get exposed for what they really are.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/tyreek-hills-letter-raises-questions-but-this-is-clear-hell-stay-in-nfl-if-he-isnt-charged-181502337.html
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Just did a little research on this Tyreek Hill fellow. Sounds really bad.
What I get from it so far is deny everything.
He SEEMS a lot scarier than Peterson.
It’s possible Hill won’t get charged and will move right along in the NFL, sign a long term deal with the Chiefs etc. BUT he won’t be able to hide from himself forever, he will end up doing something to a child or one of his baby mommas eventually and get charged legally
Yes, that's a real possibility. I hope he realizes he has a lot to lose if he can't learn to control his anger, and never (allegedly) hurts another person.
Or he actually decides to lose his temper on someone his own size and gets his head kicked in.
How about EVERY time?
Is it safe to shake hands with him though?
If you aren't his girlfriend or child........maybe.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27221490/hill-face-nfl-ban-return-chiefs-camp
Eric
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Well if they can’t find any evidence that is clear cut then move along I guess
Nike needs to hire him as an advisor.
If he did do something wrong he should be tried in a court of law NOT by a brainless commish that thinks he is GOD!!!!
after a couple of more SUperBowls and Pro Bowls....
It still amazes me they cut Hunt but can morally think it’s ok to keep Hill Who is a child abuser. It’s actually comical, actually more comical than Bob kraft and his fraudulent ways
Darin???
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
hope springs eternal!
Glicker?