I got the belt as well in the 70’s, I still say a switch is a little over the top especially when hitting a child on his chest. Let’s not even begin to bring up his privates getting hit
Not in any way saying what Peterson did was ok, but it was reported (by Peterson's defense I'm sure) that the boy had put a plastic bag over his sister's head and that's what set him off.
I know your not defending Peterson’s actions in this case, I get what your saying and believe you understand my points as well
Absolutely.
I didn't like getting whipped, in discussing it with others, was told on more than one occasion that they not only got whipped with a switch, but had to go cut one for the punishment and if they didn't get a big enough one, dad would do it and really whack them. I didn't feel so bad about my experiences after that.
As a parent, I tried not to spank my kids and if I did never used a belt or switch. Also, as a parent who spent a lot of time raising my second and third child while my wife was at work, I can see how frustrated and angry you can get when they misbehave and fight. Thankfully I was a little older and mature when this went on!
It's a very emotional subject. Many feel kids should never be hit, others say strong discipline, including spanking, is necessary. I read a long time ago that if you were going to strike your child it should be on the rear end, and use your hand and not an object, so you could "feel" how hard you are striking them. Made sense to me.
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@Tabe said:
What do you guys think of Adrian Peterson playing in the NFL?
The guys a scumbag in my opinion, you want to bare bottom spank your child then have at it, I’m cool with that and don’t think there is enough of that anymore but you want to pretend it’s 1932 and get a “Switch” and beat your kid with it? Hit his private area? Sorry that’s abuse. He deserved that suspension, I don’t think he deserved to be banned though
I don't think you have to go back to 1932. Getting "whipped" with a belt or switch was common in the 1970's when I was a young man.
I stayed out of trouble for the most part, but got "the belt" a couple of times.
NEVER used either on my children. Very seldom gave spankings.
The point I was trying to make was that as a parent, you are allowed to spank your children.
You are NOT allowed to physically punish your girlfriend/wife for any reason except MAYBE self defense and then you will probably get charged with assault.
I got the belt as well in the 70’s, I still say a switch is a little over the top especially when hitting a child on his chest. Let’s not even begin to bring up his privates getting hit
Spanking should only be done on the bottom....and then only to sting not hurt/damage the child.
I got the belt as well in the 70’s, I still say a switch is a little over the top especially when hitting a child on his chest. Let’s not even begin to bring up his privates getting hit
Not in any way saying what Peterson did was ok, but it was reported (by Peterson's defense I'm sure) that the boy had put a plastic bag over his sister's head and that's what set him off.
I know your not defending Peterson’s actions in this case, I get what your saying and believe you understand my points as well
Absolutely.
I didn't like getting whipped, in discussing it with others, was told on more than one occasion that they not only got whipped with a switch, but had to go cut one for the punishment and if they didn't get a big enough one, dad would do it and really whack them. I didn't feel so bad about my experiences after that.
As a parent, I tried not to spank my kids and if I did never used a belt or switch. Also, as a parent who spent a lot of time raising my second and third child while my wife was at work, I can see how frustrated and angry you can get when they misbehave and fight. Thankfully I was a little older and mature when this went on!
It's a very emotional subject. Many feel kids should never be hit, others say strong discipline, including spanking, is necessary. I read a long time ago that if you were going to strike your child it should be on the rear end, and use your hand and not an object, so you could "feel" how hard you are striking them. Made sense to me.
It’s funny because all I needed was “Wait till Your father gets home” 90% of the time that was good enough for me lol, truth be told after awhile getting spanked got easier because it was quick pain then over with, the absolute worst punishment I used to get was being told to go to bed at 4PM, no TV or nothing, BED ONLY! That was awful 😂 speaking of cutting your own switch though I remember my father sitting in his chair and not moving from it and ordering me to “Get over here” and I had to walk over to where he was sitting and 💥WHACK! My father was good to me and only hit me when I deserved it. As I used to say as a Block SGT in the jail, “People respond to Pain, Fear and intimidation” no matter who you are, child, adult big or small it’s 100% a FACT. I don’t have children but my live in girlfriend has an 8 year old and both her and her Ex have given me the green light to smack his rear end if I feel it’s neccesary but I never have nor will I ever do it since he is not my child but I do yell aggressively and he responds to that, I do believe in spanking YOUR OWN child bare handed on the butt if needed. I think it’s a good tool but sending a kid to literal bed with no electronics or toys is a solid punishment.
I got the belt as well in the 70’s, I still say a switch is a little over the top especially when hitting a child on his chest. Let’s not even begin to bring up his privates getting hit
Not in any way saying what Peterson did was ok, but it was reported (by Peterson's defense I'm sure) that the boy had put a plastic bag over his sister's head and that's what set him off.
Kid was three years old. Petersen was what, 30? Thugs will be thugs.
all i know is that one time in elementary school i got in a fight with a kid and ended up in the principal's office. one call to my parents (who turned the light bright green) and i got my ass LIT UP. i never -- repeat, never -- made such a mistake again.
had someone sat me down and calmly told me not to do that again, i can almost guarantee i would've socked some punk in the foreseeable future
@galaxy27 said:
all i know is that one time in elementary school i got in a fight with a kid and ended up in the principal's office. one call to my parents (who turned the light bright green) and i got my ass LIT UP. i never -- repeat, never -- made such a mistake again.
had someone sat me down and calmly told me not to do that again, i can almost guarantee i would've socked some punk in the foreseeable future
I got lots of swats in school. Now they can't spank and there is absolutely no discipline in schools!
@galaxy27 said:
all i know is that one time in elementary school i got in a fight with a kid and ended up in the principal's office. one call to my parents (who turned the light bright green) and i got my ass LIT UP. i never -- repeat, never -- made such a mistake again.
had someone sat me down and calmly told me not to do that again, i can almost guarantee i would've socked some punk in the foreseeable future
At our school if you didn't fight back, you were toast. My old man realized that and taught us some self defense moves.
All I know is, if as many of you here have insisted, that you must at minimum have spanking or other corporal punishment at least as an option on the table...then I guess (among other reasons) I'm just out of the running in terms of being a parent (of a human). That's okay, at least i have my kitty
I got lots of swats in school. Now they can't spank and there is absolutely no discipline in schools!
let me guess.
Long handled Wooden paddle with lots of holes
Yep....that's what the Principle had. All the teachers had regular paddles.
Boys VP, was a WW2 vet. Made you drop your pants, and grab your ankles. Two handed baseball swing with the paddle. ouch...
I can tell ya this much, had a teacher ever did that to me as a kid I would have absolutely looked him up when I grew up and given him the beating of his life.,
I can't understand how the NFL can have Union negotiated rules, procedures and penalties for drug abuse but can't seem to have a comprehensive plan for how to deal with players who violate civil rules and laws. that is troubling.
@keets said:
I can't understand how the NFL can have Union negotiated rules, procedures and penalties for drug abuse but can't seem to have a comprehensive plan for how to deal with players who violate civil rules and laws. that is troubling.
I bet Josh Gordon gets a longer suspension for failing a drug test than Hill probably gets for breaking his kid's arm.
@keets said:
I can't understand how the NFL can have Union negotiated rules, procedures and penalties for drug abuse but can't seem to have a comprehensive plan for how to deal with players who violate civil rules and laws. that is troubling.
Isn't there a standard clause in their contracts that allow the club to discipline if the player screws up?
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@keets said:
I can't understand how the NFL can have Union negotiated rules, procedures and penalties for drug abuse but can't seem to have a comprehensive plan for how to deal with players who violate civil rules and laws. that is troubling.
They should be treated the same as any other person......no better.....no worse.
@keets said:
I can't understand how the NFL can have Union negotiated rules, procedures and penalties for drug abuse but can't seem to have a comprehensive plan for how to deal with players who violate civil rules and laws. that is troubling.
Drug offenses are easy, step 1 step 2 etc.. with laws it’s a completely different animal, you need to look at all the variables including intent, maliciousness, result of behavior, victim, injury that occurred etc.. it’s not easy. I was a disciplinary Sergeant for a few years and you can’t have blanket punishments.
@keets said:
I can't understand how the NFL can have Union negotiated rules, procedures and penalties for drug abuse but can't seem to have a comprehensive plan for how to deal with players who violate civil rules and laws. that is troubling.
Drug offenses are easy, step 1 step 2 etc.. with laws it’s a completely different animal, you need to look at all the variables including intent, maliciousness, result of behavior, victim, injury that occurred etc.. it’s not easy. I was a disciplinary Sergeant for a few years and you can’t have blanket punishments.
The main reason you can't have blanket punishments in the league is the amorality of the teams. A guy with a $100,000 contract gets cut if he's 5 minutes late for a team bus. A guy that has a $100 million dollar contract could kill his kids and the team won't even sit him unless some higher power forces it to happen. Even if they were suspended without pay the team would think the player not being on the field would cost ticket sales TV eyeballs whatever. The teams will only do the "right" thing if its cost free
@keets said:
I can't understand how the NFL can have Union negotiated rules, procedures and penalties for drug abuse but can't seem to have a comprehensive plan for how to deal with players who violate civil rules and laws. that is troubling.
Drug offenses are easy, step 1 step 2 etc.. with laws it’s a completely different animal, you need to look at all the variables including intent, maliciousness, result of behavior, victim, injury that occurred etc.. it’s not easy. I was a disciplinary Sergeant for a few years and you can’t have blanket punishments.
The main reason you can't have blanket punishments in the league is the amorality of the teams. A guy with a $100,000 contract gets cut if he's 5 minutes late for a team bus. A guy that has a $100 million dollar contract could kill his kids and the team won't even sit him unless some higher power forces it to happen. Even if they were suspended without pay the team would think the player not being on the field would cost ticket sales TV eyeballs whatever. The teams will only do the "right" thing if its cost free
Ofcourse that plays into it but even if the NFL wanted to introduce a strict conduct policy regardless if it’s Aaron Rodgers or a practice squad player it would still be impossible due to the reasons I stated in my opinion, plus in any job environment it always will be an unfair playing field - always has been and always will be. The LE industry is the worst offenders in this regard, it’s actually borderline criminal really
perhaps someone else with a better or longer memory than me can drop some names, but the first step onto the slippery slope that the NFL made was the case of Ray Lewis. the New England Patriots learned from that mistake and things went differently for Aaron Hernandez. NFL fans have short memories and as long as "their players" make a difference on the field they can forgive and forget.
@keets said:
perhaps someone else with a better or longer memory than me can drop some names, but the first step onto the slippery slope that the NFL made was the case of Ray Lewis. the New England Patriots learned from that mistake and things went differently for Aaron Hernandez. NFL fans have short memories and as long as "their players" make a difference on the field they can forgive and forget.
Ray Lewis was a Raven not a Patriot......or did I read your statement incorrectly?
Aaron Hernandez was released as soon as the Pats heard that he was going to get arrested for murder and I doubt that NE's decision to cut bait with him had anything to do with how the Ray Lewis case was handled.
@erikthredd said:
Aaron Hernandez was released as soon as the Pats heard that he was going to get arrested for murder and I doubt that NE's decision to cut bait with him had anything to do with how the Ray Lewis case was handled.
Agreed, It had NOTHING to do with that. And as you know the Pats were going to release him even if he was charged with obstruction of justice, that is a fact that can be found on Wiki for all the holier than thou Patriot Haters who think NE is all bad.
@keets said:
perhaps someone else with a better or longer memory than me can drop some names, but the first step onto the slippery slope that the NFL made was the case of Ray Lewis. the New England Patriots learned from that mistake and things went differently for Aaron Hernandez. NFL fans have short memories and as long as "their players" make a difference on the field they can forgive and forget.
Ray Lewis was a Raven not a Patriot......or did I read your statement incorrectly?
LOL Jon, I’m pretty sure Keets is aware that Lewis was a Raven. Everything else he said was nonsense
@erikthredd said:
Aaron Hernandez was released as soon as the Pats heard that he was going to get arrested for murder and I doubt that NE's decision to cut bait with him had anything to do with how the Ray Lewis case was handled.
Agreed, It had NOTHING to do with that. And as you know the Pats were going to release him even if he was charged with obstruction of justice, that is a fact that can be found on Wiki for all the holier than thou Patriot Haters who think NE is all bad.
I remember reading that investigators had AH as "their" guy for that murder,not the other two with him,when preparing their warrants and IIRC with Lewis it was the opposite,the other two with him were the ones who had knives then used them. Ray tried covering up for them before eventually flipping on them both. Had the Lewis incident been reversed I honestly think that the Ravens owner would have cut bait. I believe any owner in that spot would have done the same.
Where is everyone telling us how innocent Hill is because the police had dropped the investigation without charging him? Over and over again on this board we hear that you are innocent until proven guilty, that a closed police investigation without being charged, or a trial without being convicted means the accused was innocent. Interesting how all those arguments ring hollow when the victim is 3 years old.
I don't think there's really much difference or nonsense with Lewis and Hernandez, maybe that the latter was dead to rights while Ray Lewis lied to investigators and destroyed evidence. my point was simply that one organization hoped to keep their player while the other did the right thing and cut ties with him ASAP. the NFL has a real problem and we only see a small part of it. ironically, they keep trying to avoid being embarrassed and end up there anyway. there's an old saying, you can't save your ass and your face at the same time.
@fergie23 said:
Where is everyone telling us how innocent Hill is because the police had dropped the investigation without charging him? Over and over again on this board we hear that you are innocent until proven guilty, that a closed police investigation without being charged, or a trial without being convicted means the accused was innocent. Interesting how all those arguments ring hollow when the victim is 3 years old.
Robb
Robb, his son received a broken arm from Hill, his fiancé or baby momma has made it clear that he is a child abuser. The audio that came out is pretty cut and dry as to what type of scumbag Hill really is. After that Joke of a situation in Chicago unfolded I don’t hold my breath anymore waiting for prosecutors to seek charges and prosecute in court, look at the situation in Chicago with Justin Smollett, charges were dropped even though everyone involved said he was guilty.
I find it interesting that everyone out here assumes Lewis is guilty when no one was there when it happened. Seems everyone just hates him and calls him guilty. As far as Hill he seems guilty according evidence.
@DIMEMAN said:
I find it interesting that everyone out here assumes Lewis is guilty when no one was there when it happened. Seems everyone just hates him and calls him guilty. As far as Hill he seems guilty according evidence.
Lewis should be attending his first parole hearing about now.
@DIMEMAN said:
I find it interesting that everyone out here assumes Lewis is guilty when no one was there when it happened. Seems everyone just hates him and calls him guilty. As far as Hill he seems guilty according evidence.
Lewis should be attending his first parole hearing about now.
@DIMEMAN said:
I find it interesting that everyone out here assumes Lewis is guilty when no one was there when it happened. Seems everyone just hates him and calls him guilty. As far as Hill he seems guilty according evidence.
I don’t hate Lewis, pretty much since I don’t know him at all lol. I never followed the case since I legit didn’t care one way or the other if he was guilty or not. He is the second best LB ever behind LT though.
Following a Super Bowl XXXIV party in Atlanta on January 31, 2000, a fight broke out between Lewis and his companions and another group of people, resulting in the stabbing deaths of Jacinth Baker and Richard Lollar. Lewis and two companions, Reginald Oakley and Joseph Sweeting, were questioned by Atlanta police, and 11 days later the three men were indicted on murder and aggravated assault charges. The fight occurred about 200 yards (180 m) from the Cobalt Lounge at 265 East Paces Ferry Road in the Buckhead Village neighborhood about two miles north of downtown Atlanta where Lewis had been celebrating. The white suit Lewis was wearing the night of the killings has never been found. Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard alleged the blood-stained suit was dumped in a garbage bin outside a fast food restaurant.[119] A knife found at the scene did not have any fingerprints or DNA. Lewis subsequently testified that Oakley and Sweeting had bought knives earlier in Super Bowl week from a Sports Authority where Lewis had been signing autographs. Baker's blood was found inside of Lewis's limousine.
Two weeks into the trial Lewis's attorneys, Don Samuel and Ed Garland, negotiated a plea agreement with the District Attorney where the murder charges against Lewis were dismissed in exchange for his testimony against Oakley and Sweeting, and his guilty plea to a misdemeanor charge of obstruction of justice.[15] Lewis admitted he gave a misleading statement to police on the morning after the killings (initially telling them that he was not at the scene). Superior Court Judge Alice D. Bonner sentenced Lewis to 12 months' probation. One year in prison is the maximum sentence for a first-time offender, and the immediate probation was the judge's decision. He was also fined $250,000 by the NFL, which was believed to be the highest fine levied against an NFL player for an infraction not involving substance abuse. Under the terms of the sentence, Lewis could not use drugs or alcohol during the duration of the probation.
@DIMEMAN said:
I find it interesting that everyone out here assumes Lewis is guilty when no one was there when it happened. Seems everyone just hates him and calls him guilty. As far as Hill he seems guilty according evidence.
On the internet people are NOT innocent until proven guilty. In many cases they are still guilty when proven innocent or at least not guilty.
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I find it interesting that everyone out here assumes Lewis is guilty when no one was there when it happened.
Jon, if you consider that Ray Lewis lied to the police the morning after the killings, blood from a victim was found inside Ray Lewis' limousine and the White Suit that Ray Lewis was wearing the night of the killings has never been found things might become a little clearer. also, the police had enough evidence to obtain an indictment less than two weeks after the killings. with one of the knives but no prints or DNA evidence on it Ray Lewis cut a deal to save his own skin and ratted out his two friends.
coincidentally, the other two men went to trial and were found not guilty. but yeah, I assume Ray Lewis is guilty.
@keets said: I find it interesting that everyone out here assumes Lewis is guilty when no one was there when it happened.
Jon, if you consider that Ray Lewis lied to the police the morning after the killings, blood from a victim was found inside Ray Lewis' limousine and the White Suit that Ray Lewis was wearing the night of the killings has never been found things might become a little clearer. also, the police had enough evidence to obtain an indictment less than two weeks after the killings. with one of the knives but no prints or DNA evidence on it Ray Lewis cut a deal to save his own skin and ratted out his two friends.
coincidentally, the other two men went to trial and were found not guilty. but yeah, I assume Ray Lewis is guilty.
When it comes to a bar room fight unless the victim(s) are innocent by standers...…..it's pretty much a toss up who is to blame. Even if there is blood on the missing suit that doesn't make Lewis the killer. And no I am not saying Lewis is innocent …..just can't say he is guilty either. When there is a knife fight there can be blood everywhere.
Perkdog that is why all the noise from fans that their coach, assistant coach, player, etc is innocent because they weren't charged or were charged and not convicted is such nonsense. Smollett is a perfect example, this sort of thing happens even more often with sports figures. You have to either be poor, caught on tape (and that tape permitted in evidence, Kraft, cough, cough), or have your accomplices testify against you to be convicted of a crime these days. Our court system is slowly becoming a mockery of justice.
Tyreke Hill is the worst kind of abuser and deserves to burn in h**l. Unfortunately, it is almost guaranteed that the tape was not lawfully obtained and is therefore not admissible meaning the cops are going to need to flip his fiancee. History shows abused & battered women make inexplicable choices so I doubt anything on the legal front will come of the police reopening the investigation. The NFL will slap his wrist and some team will "give him a second chance" because he is a difference maker on the field. I hope the NFL teams prove me wrong but I am not holding my breath.
@keets said:
people who think like ol' Dimeguy are what lends credibility to what is happening in our Nation today. to echo Coinstartled, goodness gracious!!!
Our Nation has much bigger problems than spoiled crybabies in sports getting preferential treatment
Our Nation has much bigger problems than spoiled crybabies in sports getting preferential treatment.
yes indeed, but the underlying cause of those problems is quite similar to the specifics in the case of Ray Lewis and the result, preferential treatment, is the same. past that i will digress and keep it to Sports.
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Absolutely.
I didn't like getting whipped, in discussing it with others, was told on more than one occasion that they not only got whipped with a switch, but had to go cut one for the punishment and if they didn't get a big enough one, dad would do it and really whack them. I didn't feel so bad about my experiences after that.
As a parent, I tried not to spank my kids and if I did never used a belt or switch. Also, as a parent who spent a lot of time raising my second and third child while my wife was at work, I can see how frustrated and angry you can get when they misbehave and fight. Thankfully I was a little older and mature when this went on!
It's a very emotional subject. Many feel kids should never be hit, others say strong discipline, including spanking, is necessary. I read a long time ago that if you were going to strike your child it should be on the rear end, and use your hand and not an object, so you could "feel" how hard you are striking them. Made sense to me.
Spanking should only be done on the bottom....and then only to sting not hurt/damage the child.
Now that everyone has weighed in on spanking ...........
It’s funny because all I needed was “Wait till Your father gets home” 90% of the time that was good enough for me lol, truth be told after awhile getting spanked got easier because it was quick pain then over with, the absolute worst punishment I used to get was being told to go to bed at 4PM, no TV or nothing, BED ONLY! That was awful 😂 speaking of cutting your own switch though I remember my father sitting in his chair and not moving from it and ordering me to “Get over here” and I had to walk over to where he was sitting and 💥WHACK! My father was good to me and only hit me when I deserved it. As I used to say as a Block SGT in the jail, “People respond to Pain, Fear and intimidation” no matter who you are, child, adult big or small it’s 100% a FACT. I don’t have children but my live in girlfriend has an 8 year old and both her and her Ex have given me the green light to smack his rear end if I feel it’s neccesary but I never have nor will I ever do it since he is not my child but I do yell aggressively and he responds to that, I do believe in spanking YOUR OWN child bare handed on the butt if needed. I think it’s a good tool but sending a kid to literal bed with no electronics or toys is a solid punishment.
Or maybe nobody hits anyone else. Never understood why a 200 pound adult cannot get the message across> @JoeBanzai said:
Kid was three years old. Petersen was what, 30? Thugs will be thugs.
all i know is that one time in elementary school i got in a fight with a kid and ended up in the principal's office. one call to my parents (who turned the light bright green) and i got my ass LIT UP. i never -- repeat, never -- made such a mistake again.
had someone sat me down and calmly told me not to do that again, i can almost guarantee i would've socked some punk in the foreseeable future
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I got lots of swats in school. Now they can't spank and there is absolutely no discipline in schools!
At our school if you didn't fight back, you were toast. My old man realized that and taught us some self defense moves.
@DIMEMAN said:
let me guess.
Long handled Wooden paddle with lots of holes
Yep....that's what the Principle had. All the teachers had regular paddles.
Boys VP, was a WW2 vet. Made you drop your pants, and grab your ankles. Two handed baseball swing with the paddle. ouch...
WOW...that's a bit much! A two handed swing with a boat oar on a bare bottom would sting like the dickens!
All I know is, if as many of you here have insisted, that you must at minimum have spanking or other corporal punishment at least as an option on the table...then I guess (among other reasons) I'm just out of the running in terms of being a parent (of a human). That's okay, at least i have my kitty
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I can tell ya this much, had a teacher ever did that to me as a kid I would have absolutely looked him up when I grew up and given him the beating of his life.,
I can't understand how the NFL can have Union negotiated rules, procedures and penalties for drug abuse but can't seem to have a comprehensive plan for how to deal with players who violate civil rules and laws. that is troubling.
I bet Josh Gordon gets a longer suspension for failing a drug test than Hill probably gets for breaking his kid's arm.
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Isn't there a standard clause in their contracts that allow the club to discipline if the player screws up?
They should be treated the same as any other person......no better.....no worse.
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Drug offenses are easy, step 1 step 2 etc.. with laws it’s a completely different animal, you need to look at all the variables including intent, maliciousness, result of behavior, victim, injury that occurred etc.. it’s not easy. I was a disciplinary Sergeant for a few years and you can’t have blanket punishments.
The main reason you can't have blanket punishments in the league is the amorality of the teams. A guy with a $100,000 contract gets cut if he's 5 minutes late for a team bus. A guy that has a $100 million dollar contract could kill his kids and the team won't even sit him unless some higher power forces it to happen. Even if they were suspended without pay the team would think the player not being on the field would cost ticket sales TV eyeballs whatever. The teams will only do the "right" thing if its cost free
Ofcourse that plays into it but even if the NFL wanted to introduce a strict conduct policy regardless if it’s Aaron Rodgers or a practice squad player it would still be impossible due to the reasons I stated in my opinion, plus in any job environment it always will be an unfair playing field - always has been and always will be. The LE industry is the worst offenders in this regard, it’s actually borderline criminal really
perhaps someone else with a better or longer memory than me can drop some names, but the first step onto the slippery slope that the NFL made was the case of Ray Lewis. the New England Patriots learned from that mistake and things went differently for Aaron Hernandez. NFL fans have short memories and as long as "their players" make a difference on the field they can forgive and forget.
Ray Lewis was a Raven not a Patriot......or did I read your statement incorrectly?
Aaron Hernandez was released as soon as the Pats heard that he was going to get arrested for murder and I doubt that NE's decision to cut bait with him had anything to do with how the Ray Lewis case was handled.
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Agreed, It had NOTHING to do with that. And as you know the Pats were going to release him even if he was charged with obstruction of justice, that is a fact that can be found on Wiki for all the holier than thou Patriot Haters who think NE is all bad.
LOL Jon, I’m pretty sure Keets is aware that Lewis was a Raven. Everything else he said was nonsense
I remember reading that investigators had AH as "their" guy for that murder,not the other two with him,when preparing their warrants and IIRC with Lewis it was the opposite,the other two with him were the ones who had knives then used them. Ray tried covering up for them before eventually flipping on them both. Had the Lewis incident been reversed I honestly think that the Ravens owner would have cut bait. I believe any owner in that spot would have done the same.
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Oscar Pistorius would make a great wide receiver when he gets out of prison.
Where is everyone telling us how innocent Hill is because the police had dropped the investigation without charging him? Over and over again on this board we hear that you are innocent until proven guilty, that a closed police investigation without being charged, or a trial without being convicted means the accused was innocent. Interesting how all those arguments ring hollow when the victim is 3 years old.
Robb
I don't think there's really much difference or nonsense with Lewis and Hernandez, maybe that the latter was dead to rights while Ray Lewis lied to investigators and destroyed evidence. my point was simply that one organization hoped to keep their player while the other did the right thing and cut ties with him ASAP. the NFL has a real problem and we only see a small part of it. ironically, they keep trying to avoid being embarrassed and end up there anyway. there's an old saying, you can't save your ass and your face at the same time.
Hill needs to live in Chicago. The prosecuting authorities in Chi Town may be of assistance to him
Robb, his son received a broken arm from Hill, his fiancé or baby momma has made it clear that he is a child abuser. The audio that came out is pretty cut and dry as to what type of scumbag Hill really is. After that Joke of a situation in Chicago unfolded I don’t hold my breath anymore waiting for prosecutors to seek charges and prosecute in court, look at the situation in Chicago with Justin Smollett, charges were dropped even though everyone involved said he was guilty.
Just Kim Foxx 🙄
I find it interesting that everyone out here assumes Lewis is guilty when no one was there when it happened. Seems everyone just hates him and calls him guilty. As far as Hill he seems guilty according evidence.
Lewis should be attending his first parole hearing about now.
What are you basing that on?
I don’t hate Lewis, pretty much since I don’t know him at all lol. I never followed the case since I legit didn’t care one way or the other if he was guilty or not. He is the second best LB ever behind LT though.
Lewis was no less guilty than OJ Simpson.
Following a Super Bowl XXXIV party in Atlanta on January 31, 2000, a fight broke out between Lewis and his companions and another group of people, resulting in the stabbing deaths of Jacinth Baker and Richard Lollar. Lewis and two companions, Reginald Oakley and Joseph Sweeting, were questioned by Atlanta police, and 11 days later the three men were indicted on murder and aggravated assault charges. The fight occurred about 200 yards (180 m) from the Cobalt Lounge at 265 East Paces Ferry Road in the Buckhead Village neighborhood about two miles north of downtown Atlanta where Lewis had been celebrating. The white suit Lewis was wearing the night of the killings has never been found. Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard alleged the blood-stained suit was dumped in a garbage bin outside a fast food restaurant.[119] A knife found at the scene did not have any fingerprints or DNA. Lewis subsequently testified that Oakley and Sweeting had bought knives earlier in Super Bowl week from a Sports Authority where Lewis had been signing autographs. Baker's blood was found inside of Lewis's limousine.
Two weeks into the trial Lewis's attorneys, Don Samuel and Ed Garland, negotiated a plea agreement with the District Attorney where the murder charges against Lewis were dismissed in exchange for his testimony against Oakley and Sweeting, and his guilty plea to a misdemeanor charge of obstruction of justice.[15] Lewis admitted he gave a misleading statement to police on the morning after the killings (initially telling them that he was not at the scene). Superior Court Judge Alice D. Bonner sentenced Lewis to 12 months' probation. One year in prison is the maximum sentence for a first-time offender, and the immediate probation was the judge's decision. He was also fined $250,000 by the NFL, which was believed to be the highest fine levied against an NFL player for an infraction not involving substance abuse. Under the terms of the sentence, Lewis could not use drugs or alcohol during the duration of the probation.
On the internet people are NOT innocent until proven guilty. In many cases they are still guilty when proven innocent or at least not guilty.
I find it interesting that everyone out here assumes Lewis is guilty when no one was there when it happened.
Jon, if you consider that Ray Lewis lied to the police the morning after the killings, blood from a victim was found inside Ray Lewis' limousine and the White Suit that Ray Lewis was wearing the night of the killings has never been found things might become a little clearer. also, the police had enough evidence to obtain an indictment less than two weeks after the killings. with one of the knives but no prints or DNA evidence on it Ray Lewis cut a deal to save his own skin and ratted out his two friends.
coincidentally, the other two men went to trial and were found not guilty. but yeah, I assume Ray Lewis is guilty.
When it comes to a bar room fight unless the victim(s) are innocent by standers...…..it's pretty much a toss up who is to blame. Even if there is blood on the missing suit that doesn't make Lewis the killer. And no I am not saying Lewis is innocent …..just can't say he is guilty either. When there is a knife fight there can be blood everywhere.
Goodness gracious, Jon.
Perkdog that is why all the noise from fans that their coach, assistant coach, player, etc is innocent because they weren't charged or were charged and not convicted is such nonsense. Smollett is a perfect example, this sort of thing happens even more often with sports figures. You have to either be poor, caught on tape (and that tape permitted in evidence, Kraft, cough, cough), or have your accomplices testify against you to be convicted of a crime these days. Our court system is slowly becoming a mockery of justice.
Tyreke Hill is the worst kind of abuser and deserves to burn in h**l. Unfortunately, it is almost guaranteed that the tape was not lawfully obtained and is therefore not admissible meaning the cops are going to need to flip his fiancee. History shows abused & battered women make inexplicable choices so I doubt anything on the legal front will come of the police reopening the investigation. The NFL will slap his wrist and some team will "give him a second chance" because he is a difference maker on the field. I hope the NFL teams prove me wrong but I am not holding my breath.
Robb
people who think like ol' Dimeguy are what lends credibility to what is happening in our Nation today. to echo Coinstartled, goodness gracious!!!
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Our Nation has much bigger problems than spoiled crybabies in sports getting preferential treatment
Minus the racism the world would be a much better place if we could rewind to 1950 in my opinion
Our Nation has much bigger problems than spoiled crybabies in sports getting preferential treatment.
yes indeed, but the underlying cause of those problems is quite similar to the specifics in the case of Ray Lewis and the result, preferential treatment, is the same. past that i will digress and keep it to Sports.
when do the chiefs cut this guy?
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.