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GTG Rainbow Toned Peace Dollar (GRADE REVEALED)

cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,169 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited March 8, 2019 8:54PM in U.S. Coin Forum

No cheating. Tell me your thoughts of this coin. I'll reveal mine (not that anyone cares) when I reveal the grade. I think this will be a fun thread with a wide variety of opinion. P.S. It's not my coin; a friend of mine made this last year.

Do not assume that it straight graded or that it did not straight grade based on my post and the images. I want YOUR opinion of the coin.


(PCGS MS64+ CAC)

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  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,595 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hard to judge from a photo with that much toning. I like it. 63 maybe toning bump to 64.

  • CommemKingCommemKing Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS64. Real nice dollar there

  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 7,320 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 8, 2019 10:17AM

    Cartoonish over-the-top toning and to my eyes looks like an unnatural appearance.

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,344 ✭✭✭✭✭

    kind of like it. Looks 63 to me.

  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks Terminal/ED on the reverse. I would say no grade but given you are asking what the grade is that probably means it straight graded, I'll go 64.

    Collector, occasional seller

  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,595 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As your friend "made" it, maybe AT.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Smudge said:
    As your friend "made" it, maybe AT.

    I don't think my friend would do that. By "made it," I mean he purchased the coin raw and submitted it.

  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,595 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cameonut2011 said:

    @Smudge said:
    As your friend "made" it, maybe AT.

    I don't think my friend would do that. By "made it," I mean he purchased the coin raw and submitted it.

    Ok. I will go with my original guess.

  • drfishdrfish Posts: 947 ✭✭✭✭

    Is the picture a fair representation of the coin in hand?

  • KkathylKkathyl Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU55

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  • jerseycat101jerseycat101 Posts: 1,352 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AT

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,610 ✭✭✭✭✭

    yep, that's a toner. its somewhat likeable as well. jmo

  • jtlee321jtlee321 Posts: 2,364 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm in the UNC Details Questionable Color camp.

  • WingedLiberty1957WingedLiberty1957 Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Terminal toning on the reverse is a huge downside. I like the rest of the coin, but I would never buy one like that.

  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,818 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It might be an attractive coin, but the look isn’t natural to me. I’m grading it QT, leaning a bit more to the AT side of things.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,911 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The color looks questionable. However, if it straight graded, I don’t know why it wouldn’t have graded approximately MS66. I don’t understand the AU55-MS64 grade guesses.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • ACopACop Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's a tough one because you dont see that toning a lot. Usually youd see the AT color schemes around a little more often. But the reverse looks questionable.

  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 6,129 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AT details

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  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    QC as I see it.MS 65.

  • MarkInDavisMarkInDavis Posts: 1,711 ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 8, 2019 2:01PM

    UNC QC

    You say a friend of yours "made this". I hope that means got it into a holder and not artificially colored it.

    image Respectfully, Mark
  • gtstanggtstang Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pcgs seems to like reds, greens, and orange russet colors on peace dollars. Hard to see if there is any luster from the images but if straight graded, probably a 64, 65 at best imo.

  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:
    The color looks questionable. However, if it straight graded, I don’t know why it wouldn’t have graded approximately MS66. I don’t understand the AU55-MS64 grade guesses.

    Because every time I think one is a 65, it's a 64. It's also hard to tell what that toning is hiding in a photo.

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  • cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 5,882 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AT Questionable Color

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  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's not my coin; a friend of mine made this last year.

    my thoughts are summed up by your post above.

  • Toning seems a tad unnatural, but if it goes through I would say a MS65.

  • SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • PTVETTERPTVETTER Posts: 5,979 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I also believe it’s AT

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  • slider23slider23 Posts: 658 ✭✭✭✭

    UNC AT

  • stmanstman Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Bunk imo and if it straight graded or cac makes no difference to me.

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  • bluelobsterbluelobster Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭

    The coin is striking, but I don't think those colors are very attractive, so if it was AT'd, I wouldn't consider it a very good job.
    So I lean to straight graded 65

  • CommemDudeCommemDude Posts: 2,284 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Taco Bell+EZ bake oven AT ; Unc details

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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My guess is it's multiple times darker in real life. I would have called damage on the reverse.

  • shishshish Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭✭✭

    65, they love to grade toned peace dollars QT.

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  • CCGGGCCGGG Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ~58

  • AlexinPAAlexinPA Posts: 1,458 ✭✭✭✭✭

    UNC - Details - Questionable toning. Sorry guy. :(

  • Raybob15239Raybob15239 Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭

    AT. 58 details.

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  • OldIndianNutKaseOldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,710 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Questionable Color (code .91). The toning does not have a rational progression as suggested by the Sunnywood scale. Most ALL toned Morgans exhibit toning on only one side........

    OINK

  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,457 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS 64 STAR.

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  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    QC

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,911 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OldIndianNutKase said:
    Questionable Color (code .91). The toning does not have a rational progression as suggested by the Sunnywood scale. Most ALL toned Morgans exhibit toning on only one side........

    OINK

    While a lot of Morgan dollars exhibit toning on only one side, I believe it’s a large exaggeration to state that “most all” do.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My friend submitted it, and it came back as PCGS MS64. It is now in a PCGS MS64+ holder with a CAC green sticker.

    Like many of you, I thought the terminal toning on the reverse was a turn off. I also thought (as I still do) that it is blatant AT, but I have seen several drastically different opinions and thought it would be interesting to see what the consensus, if any here, would be.

  • cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 5,882 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Incredible.

    Many happy BST transactions
  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Am I correct in thinking the toning by "UNUM" is flaking off?

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ms70 said:
    Am I correct in thinking the toning by "UNUM" is flaking off?

    It's just a discontinuity in the toning - no flaking.

  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,818 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not blatant AT in my book. Probably this photo is a little juiced compared to the in-hand look. Still, it doesn't look entirely natural to me and I'm not sure I'd be a buyer..... certainly not at a premium price.

  • drfishdrfish Posts: 947 ✭✭✭✭

    From those photos I am surprised that it is CAC approved. The four wildly toned coins I sent in didn’t pass. I bet your friends coin would bring an insane premium at auction

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @drfish said:
    From those photos I am surprised that it is CAC approved. The four wildly toned coins I sent in didn’t pass. I bet your friends coin would bring an insane premium at auction

    He sold it in a no reserve auction at Great Collections where it sold last August (or somewhere around that time frame) for $4200. A subsequent owner sold it at major auction in January in a 64+ CAC holder where it fetched over $9000.

  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The slab shot looks more natural to me.

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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am wondering why the coin is not a 65 or higher if they are saying it is natural. Very clean for a 64.

  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 9, 2019 11:14AM

    Here are the Great Collections images. Talk about, "what a difference an image makes" when looking at all of them posted right?

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