Here is a toughie. Is this nickel an error or a variety ? Update from James Wiles in 1st post
JRocco
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You guys were really helpful with the 84S Lincoln, well how about
this 83 D Jeff? I am asking because I know Jeff nickels can have some pretty
funky issues due to the metal involved. Some peripheral distortions, some almost
Longacre effects etc. But this nickel just screams something. I don't know what it's
screaming.....but it's screaming. I am going to get that Lincoln out to JW but should I
test him with this one too or is this just a weird form of die fatigue or something other than
a true DDR ? I have the coin in hand but only have old close-up pics of the area in question.
There are no listed DDR's for an 83D Jeff that I am aware of at this time.
Update from James Wiles...
"Not a DDR. Die Deterioration Doubling."
This surprised me a little but good to know die deterioration doubling can produce such strong split serifs.
Comments
Wow! I have not seen one like that before. Very interesting!
How does the rim look? Could it be a double struck coin? That is quite a spread.
http://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistry/publishedset.aspx?s=142753
https://www.autismforums.com/media/albums/acrylic-colors-by-rocco.291/
From the photos it looks like a DDR.
Best I can do at the moment. White balance is not set. This pic can be enlarged.
ST of STates sure looks double serif
Not my series but sure looks like a doubled die to me.
I must say, that certainly looks like a DDR... Look forward to some expert inputs here...Cheers, RickO
Thanks guys.
I was really on the fence with this one.
Anyone know if James Wiles will look at a pic attached to an email
for a first thought ?
Looks like a DDR to me.
You are in a roll, @JRocco !
Email sent to JW. I will update when I have more info.
Thanks again.
I'll be more surprised if this isn't a doubled die reverse. I see clear separation, the areas are raised and not shelf like. What a terrific find.
Appears to be so, great find!
Very interesting piece
Collector, occasional seller
It looks like a variety to me.
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Looks like a doubled die to me, there is a similar one listed for 1981-D nickels.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
DDR and a nice one!
Update in first post.
Wow how about that! We have all been thinking such pronounced split serifs like that were an practically irrefutable hallmark of a true doubled die...
Did James Wiles see the coin? or just pictures?
He has the coin in hand now
@JRocco said: "Update from James Wiles..."Not a DDR. Die Deterioration Doubling." This surprised me a little but good to know die deterioration doubling can produce such strong split serifs."
I agree with the OP's comments and I disagree with the error specialist. Someone is going to need to post an example this extreme and sharp of worn die doubling that I have not seen before and I've seen plenty of it that resembles a doubled die under high magnification. Until then, Dr. Wiles has the "street cred." Believe him if you wish.
Thanks for your comments Insider2.
I am just a coin geek and a variety hunter who can only rely on an "attributor" to attribute the coin and assign the variety before it would be recognized by a third party service. If I sent this coin in to a third party for the variety recognition they would ask me for the attribution number.
A conundrum.
@JRocco Thanks for posting the follow up. This thread has positive value for error/variety hunters.
this pic does not really look like die erosion to me
I agree and can't really apply my understanding of die erosion to this either.
The separation is along the entire horizontal of the letter ??? But what can I say.
Could the coin have been struck twice? I do not comprehend how Die erosion or a Longacre effect would cause distinct split serifs like that.
Where are all the other eroded coins from this die?
I am not challenging JW, I just want to know a LOT more about this phenomenon.
http://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistry/publishedset.aspx?s=142753
https://www.autismforums.com/media/albums/acrylic-colors-by-rocco.291/
JW is definitely the expert here, but I will say this doesn't look like much of an eroded die to me.
AFAIK, There are at least two third party authentication services that regularly holder "Discovery coins" w/o the excuse of needing another example. What the heck is a "discovery coin" anyway?
PS I agree with several comments above but the "software" will not let me record them. Something about a JAVASCRIPT PROBLEM on this site only. Thought I was finally banned at first.
PM sent
Many letters are 'funky'. Possibly double struck or counterfeit. Now am curious what other side looks like.
I’m curios if this buffalo nickel is even worth sending in. I promised my son I wold ask. And yes I’m recently drafted and waiting for my Redbook to arrive.
@Lyndag
Please start your own thread. You have hijacked threads before....
Smash the staples.
Would need to grade 66+ to be worth the cost.