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Question for error and variety folks -UPDATE from JW in 1st post

JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited March 6, 2019 9:33AM in U.S. Coin Forum

I would like your thoughts as to this 84S proof Lincoln.
Is this flat field doubling?
Is it really extreme flat field doubling?
Is it an RPM ?
Thoughts...


Update from James Wiles and kind of what I expected...

"Not an RPM. Machine Damage Doubling on both strikes, producing flat field doubling from the MDD of the first strike"

Some coins are just plain "Interesting"

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    morgandollar1878morgandollar1878 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like an RPM to me

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    cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,891 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 26, 2019 5:23PM

    Unless it's a very deceptive issue with the plating, I'm seeing an RPM, and a heckuva nice one. No listing on Variety Vista.

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    scubafuelscubafuel Posts: 1,739 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How thick is the top of the "S" supposed to be? If that's the normal thickness then it looks like an RPM. Otherwise it's probably something else.

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    HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think I see...

    -Serifs, top/bottom ends of the “S”

    -Curvature, i.e., no flat shelf-like step-like

    -Heading into the N/NW

    -The more I look at it... triple?

    -So going to stop looking and say, very nice find and a mighty fine pic

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,486 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks rounded to me and therefore a great find. B)

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    JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I had this proof tagged as flat field doubling but I looked at it again and started
    to doubt my original conclusion. Still not sure but great eye by Hemispherical as
    it is tripled.
    Maybe someone has seen this die before and can add a comment but it looks rounded
    in the pic and in hand as well.

    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
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    IntueorIntueor Posts: 310 ✭✭✭✭

    The "sinker" was mad about something that day.
    Three very hard whacks.
    Look at the work harden "S" shaped halo surrounding the S/S/S mintmark. :)

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    mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very cool find.
    I have not seen that one before.
    You likely have a discovery coin.
    Well done! B)

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    3keepSECRETif2rDEAD3keepSECRETif2rDEAD Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Awesome photos man!...the fields look Iike boiling-hot oil...Congrats ;)

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    TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like an RPM.

    but, I don't know what "Is this flat field doubling?" is.

    Frank

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would call that an RPM....and it does appear to be tripled.... Really great pictures. Cheers, RickO

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    seanqseanq Posts: 8,578 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have seen fractured plating on zinc cents that looks a lot like your coin, but it is typically not isolated to one small area like that, and you can see bits of the zinc core showing through. I will fall cautiously in line with the other responses and say that I think you have an RPM there. Nice find!

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    georgiacop50georgiacop50 Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭✭

    I will go against the grain here and say no because the top loop seems too "thin", as if it has been sheared off and moved by die bounce. But I would probably send it to Wiles just to be sure.

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    FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice RPM on a proof coin

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    Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 8,676 ✭✭✭✭✭

    An exciting find IMO. Love the pics. The hunt continues. Peace Roy

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    TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like an RPM.

    but, I don't know what "Is this flat field doubling?" is.

    Frank

    BHNC #203

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    HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FredWeinberg said:
    Nice RPM on a proof coin

    @JRocco There you go!

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    Aspie_RoccoAspie_Rocco Posts: 3,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very cool find, for a guy with an even cooler name!

    http://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistry/publishedset.aspx?s=142753

    https://www.autismforums.com/media/albums/acrylic-colors-by-rocco.291/

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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,522 ✭✭✭✭✭

    great clear pics and cool coin to

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    mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Isn't it surprising that this really cool proof RPM was (I am fairly certain) previously unknown?
    It just goes to show that often the common coins don't get scrutinized.
    Congratulations to @JRocco !

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    JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you all for the opinions. I will send JW an email and go from there.
    I'll share what he says when I know.

    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
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    mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I can't wait!
    Please let us know.
    You have a nice RPM there.

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    cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,891 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Guess I now have a reason to look at 1984 proof sets...

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    JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Update in first post.

    I guess my initial thoughts were confirmed,
    But still a wild example of flat field doubling.

    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
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    Aspie_RoccoAspie_Rocco Posts: 3,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you for the update. The assessment leaves me with more questions.
    Still a neat looking Mintmark

    http://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistry/publishedset.aspx?s=142753

    https://www.autismforums.com/media/albums/acrylic-colors-by-rocco.291/

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    georgiacop50georgiacop50 Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭✭

    JRocco you may want to change this thread title to something like: " 1984-S Proof Lincoln RPM refuted!" It might save some Cherrypickers from hunting for something that ain't. The original thread title might be easily overlooked?

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    MICHAELDIXONMICHAELDIXON Posts: 6,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have seen many of these over the years in proof sets and considered them to be RPMs.

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    FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow - although I don't specialize in Die Varieties,
    I have to admit, based on the photos, that it
    certainly looked like a proof RPM.

    Not the first, and not the last time, I was wrong

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    JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @georgiacop50 said:
    JRocco you may want to change this thread title to something like: " 1984-S Proof Lincoln RPM refuted!" It might save some Cherrypickers from hunting for something that ain't. The original thread title might be easily overlooked?

    Good idea.
    I know I would be searching for this one if I saw a thread showing it too.

    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
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    HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JRocco Thanks for the follow up. This is good information for the future.

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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nothing doubled, but the MM. I still say it is a RPM

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