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SoFloSoFlo Posts: 540 ✭✭✭✭

Comparing Kennedy's death to Lincoln's gives you a host of weird coincidences. Some examples are:

Both Presidents were shot in the back of the head, on the Friday before a major holiday, while seated beside their wives, neither of whom were injured.

Both were in the presence of another couple, and in each case that man was also wounded by the assassin.

After both assassinations there were loud and insistent claims that the fatal shot must have come from a different direction.

Each President in his thirties married a socially prominent twenty-four year old girl who spoke French fluently.

While in the White House, each President had a family of three children, and both lost a child through death.

Both Lincoln and Kennedy were second children.

Both had been boat captains.

Both were related to a U.S. Senator, Attorney General, ambassador to Great Britain, and the mayor of Boston.

Each had been elected to Congress in the year '47 and were vice-presidential runners-up in the year '56.

Each was elected president in '60.

Before each was elected, a sister died. Both had a friend named Billy Graham and knew an Adlai Stevenson.

President Kennedy had a secretary named Mrs. Lincoln and President Lincoln had a secretary named John Kennedy.

The names Lincoln and Kennedy each contain seven letters.

Both were succeeded by vice-presidents named Johnson: Andrew born in 1808 and Lyndon in 1908, both of whom had 13 letters in their names and two daughters.

Both assassins have fifteen letters in their names.

Booth shot Lincoln in a theater and fled to a warehouse. Oswald shot Kennedy from a warehouse and fled to a theater.

Both assassins were in their turn assassinated by shooters who used a Colt revolver and fired only one, fatal shot.

Any odd parallels in the Kennedy half dollar and the Lincoln penny?

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  • Alltheabove76Alltheabove76 Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭✭

    Some of those are false. Lincoln had no secretary named Kennedy for example.

  • SoFloSoFlo Posts: 540 ✭✭✭✭

    @Alltheabove76 said:
    Some of those are false. Lincoln had no secretary named Kennedy for example.

    You may be right about that, I really don't know because that's way before my time however there are many more coincidences between the two that are just too strange to believe.

    What about the penny and the half?

    Wisdom has been chasing you but, you've always been faster

  • SoFloSoFlo Posts: 540 ✭✭✭✭

    Or better yet, the 1918 Illinois Centennial Commemorative which is President Lincoln on a fifty cent piece.

    Wisdom has been chasing you but, you've always been faster

  • abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Don't forget!
    Both their wives middle names were the same.
    They both served as president the same number of days.
    If you add up their birthdays the totals are the same.
    Both wrote articles on the myriad of uses for coconuts.
    Neither had flown to the moon.

  • LeroyLeroy Posts: 186 ✭✭✭

    Not a similarity but interesting - You could buy more with the penny in 1909 than you could with the half dollar in 1964. And if you compare the rare dates and proofs on both coins, the penny is still more valuable.

  • WillieBoyd2WillieBoyd2 Posts: 5,266 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I remember a printed version of this story which was included with "Kennedy looks at Lincoln" counterstamped Lincoln cents.

    :)

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  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Most of that is bologna or common coincidence that could be put together for many people. Not worth the electrons required to display it. Lincoln's secretary was John Milton Hay, later Secretary of State under McKinley and Roosevelt. Hay gave TR a small watch case with a lock of Lincoln's hair in it.

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Also, the fatal shot that killed Kennedy came from the front. Your head doesn't fly backwards when hit from the back.

  • LeroyLeroy Posts: 186 ✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:
    Also, the fatal shot that killed Kennedy came from the front. Your head doesn't fly backwards when hit from the back.

    The grassy knoll theory

  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,240 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If I hit myself in the head with a hammer it hurts...alot!

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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Leroy said:

    @DIMEMAN said:
    Also, the fatal shot that killed Kennedy came from the front. Your head doesn't fly backwards when hit from the back.

    The grassy knoll theory

    Yep....not a theory...to me.

  • Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Still interesting coincidences !!! :)

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  • Alltheabove76Alltheabove76 Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:
    Also, the fatal shot that killed Kennedy came from the front. Your head doesn't fly backwards when hit from the back.

    Its been proven that it can and it did. Oswald did it. Believe it or not.

  • abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If it wasn't for Oswald Kennedy might be alive today. Read:

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Alltheabove76 said:

    @DIMEMAN said:
    Also, the fatal shot that killed Kennedy came from the front. Your head doesn't fly backwards when hit from the back.

    Its been proven that it can and it did. Oswald did it. Believe it or not.

    Never.

  • abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

  • LeroyLeroy Posts: 186 ✭✭✭

    What about the penny and the half?

  • CCGGGCCGGG Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 23, 2019 6:51AM

    @DIMEMAN said:
    Also, the fatal shot that killed Kennedy came from the front. Your head doesn't fly backwards when hit from the back.

    I've never believed that Oswald acted alone. Involved, probably! Alone, doubtful.

  • CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 10,135 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 23, 2019 7:19AM

    Both led us into wars with unfathomable tolls.

  • SoFloSoFlo Posts: 540 ✭✭✭✭

    @Coinstartled said:
    Both led us into wars with unfathomable tolls.

    Another interesting fact although we're shooting off in a different direction -
    More Americans were killed in the Civil War than any other war because every soldier on both sides was American.

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  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here's an interesting and true bit of trivia:

    John Wilkes Booth's brother, Edwin Booth, saved Abraham Lincoln's son, Robert, from serious injury or even death. The incident occurred on a train platform in Jersey City, New Jersey. The exact date of the incident is uncertain, but it is believed to have taken place in late 1864 or early 1865. Robert Lincoln recalled the incident in a 1909 letter to Richard Watson Gilder, editor of The Century Magazine.

    The incident occurred while a group of passengers were late at night purchasing their sleeping car places from the conductor who stood on the station platform at the entrance of the car. The platform was about the height of the car floor, and there was of course a narrow space between the platform and the car body. There was some crowding, and I happened to be pressed by it against the car body while waiting my turn. In this situation the train began to move, and by the motion I was twisted off my feet, and had dropped somewhat, with feet downward, into the open space, and was personally helpless, when my coat collar was vigorously seized and I was quickly pulled up and out to a secure footing on the platform. Upon turning to thank my rescuer I saw it was Edwin Booth, whose face was of course well known to me, and I expressed my gratitude to him, and in doing so, called him by name.

    Booth did not know the identity of the man whose life he had saved until some months later, when he received a letter from a friend, Colonel Adam Badeau, who was an officer on the staff of General Ulysses S. Grant. Badeau had heard the story from Robert Lincoln, who had since joined the Union Army and was also serving on Grant's staff. In the letter, Badeau gave his compliments to Booth for the heroic deed. The fact that he had saved the life of Abraham Lincoln's son was said to have been of some comfort to Edwin Booth following his brother's assassination of the president.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Booth

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  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,759 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 23, 2019 8:41AM

    That’s fascinating. Gotta wonder if universe simulation and programmer at micro level played games with names, dates, events like he was coding both at same time. Most likely a program bot / AI not the head programmer who setup the bot dynamics. Sort of like the world of GTAO.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,694 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A few months ago Turner Classic Movies had a potboiler from around 1949 about an 1865 New York City police detective who gets a tip about a plot to assassinate Lincoln. His boss won't let him follow up on it so he quits his job and hops on a train to go to Washington. I bailed out there because the train station was lit by electric lights, and I am picky about such details.

    The actor's name was John Kennedy.

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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinstartled said:
    Both led us into wars with unfathomable tolls.

    Kennedy did NOT lead us into Vietnam. We were already there when he took office. Plus he was wanting to get us out which is one of the reasons he was killed. When Johnson took over he escaladed us to the highest numbers ever over there.

  • SoFloSoFlo Posts: 540 ✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @Coinstartled said:
    Both led us into wars with unfathomable tolls.

    Kennedy did NOT lead us into Vietnam. We were already there when he took office. Plus he was wanting to get us out which is one of the reasons he was killed. When Johnson took over he escaladed us to the highest numbers ever over there.

    Now we've got the Eisenhower dollar in the mix also, Any similarities in the Lincoln penny, Kennedy half or the Eisenhower dollar?

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  • carabonnaircarabonnair Posts: 1,444 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @WillieBoyd2 said:
    I remember a printed version of this story which was included with "Kennedy looks at Lincoln" counterstamped Lincoln cents.

    :)

    Like this one? Mine is the "rare" bicentennial version.

    I also found one in circulation:

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  • Some_of_itSome_of_it Posts: 145 ✭✭✭

    Why don’t we see Kennedy half dollars with Lincoln stamped into it? Conspiracy?

  • abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Some_of_it said:
    Why don’t we see Kennedy half dollars with Lincoln stamped into it? Conspiracy?

    The Kennedy half faces the wrong way.

  • WillieBoyd2WillieBoyd2 Posts: 5,266 ✭✭✭✭✭

    When has anyone seen a Kennedy half-dollar in circulation?

    :)

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  • BeeManBeeMan Posts: 364 ✭✭✭

    I have one of those Kennedy looks at Lincoln cents. I got it from Littleton back in the 70's when I was a kid.

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  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @WillieBoyd2 said:
    When has anyone seen a Kennedy half-dollar in circulation?

    :)

    There used to be a mom and pop grocery store here locally that I would use.
    He always had half dollars in the till.

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    edited January 24, 2019 11:42AM

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Most of that is rubbish..... was initially put out many years ago and thoroughly debunked. Cheers, RickO

  • SoFloSoFlo Posts: 540 ✭✭✭✭

    @ricko said:
    Most of that is rubbish..... was initially put out many years ago and thoroughly debunked. Cheers, RickO

    Of course it is, some people still think that we actually landed on the Moon :D

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Mizzou..... :D:D Strangely enough, there are 'conspiracy nuts' who believe that we did not land on the moon and that the earth is flat.... no end to the stupidity out there. Cheers, RickO

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    Both ended up as widgets in my shop.

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,757 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Jack Rubby did us no favors. He forever left doubts on many people’s minds that Oswald was part of a conspiracy.

    I believe that Oswald was a communist nut who acted alone. I am 95% sure of that conclusion. Unfortunately the U.S. Marine Corp trained him well on the use of his rifle, which he was able to afford. Oswald was perfectly capable of killing Kennedy by himself. Kennedy jerked backward after he was shot because he was wearing a strong back brace.

    What is the other 5% that makes me less than 100% certain that Oswald acted alone? The “patsey” comment he made before Rubby shot him. What did he mean by that? Thanks to Jack Rubby and the incompetent Dallas Police Department that could not keep a high profile prisoner alive, we never had a chance to learn the answer.

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  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 7,594 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Jack Ruby, not rubby.

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  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,993 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Somehow the fact checkers were asleep or suffering some brain malady with the original "strange but true" version for schoolkids under the age of 16. Like Twain said about lies that go half way around the world before the truth has a chance to put it's boots on. And the relevance is on a numismatics site?

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  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 31, 2019 4:02PM

    Kennedy was marked as a dead man. One of his first acts of his presidency was to appoint Bobby as AG and go after the mob; the group that handed him the election by way of Kennedy's father, with a vengeance.

    The only claim to fame for his term in office was that he was assassinated. Other than that, a ho-hum president.

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  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,993 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 31, 2019 4:42PM

    The curse of Tippecanoe....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Tippecanoe

    Also, Snopes looks at the "amazing coincidences": https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/linkin-kennedy/

  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Lincolns family didn't include rum-runners.

    Lincoln was a faithful husband.

    Lincoln didn't serve on a PT boat. :D

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