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Augustus Humbert kept one proof slug and sent one back to the Mint in 1851 - which would you choose and why?



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  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Technically, we all own part of one of them...


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  • Batman23Batman23 Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The second one to me looks a little cleaner with less marks. $50 was a good chunk of change back then but maybe he should have kept both.

  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's interesting to note that one is an earlier die state than the other, which I wouldn't have expected.


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  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 5,034 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If I were him, I would keep the second one and send the first one to the Mint,
    because the first one has more uniform spiral lines on the back, and I'd like them to see my best work.

  • coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 21,756 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I also would choose the top one because of the deep color.
    I’m not sure if they are both the same grade but the second one looks
    like a weaker strike on the reverse to me.
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    Color wise I must say since I have been putting a so called slug collection I
    can tell you some have the nice rich gold color and others have the lighter yellow gold
    just like the pics you posted. I prefer the golden pl ones I have.

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  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭✭✭

    DOOR #1,,,,, I like the color better.

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  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 27, 2018 6:25PM

    Having seen both in hand, they're about the same grade. The toned example is an earlier die state (the other one was heavily polished or lapped on both sides between strikings), and is better struck. The brighter coin does have a rim issue that resembles a test cut, but is probably from handling.


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  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    :) I would keep the 1st one for the rich deeper gold hue.

  • MilkmanDanMilkmanDan Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Didn’t Humbert choose #1? I’ll go with the guy’s opinion who held them both.

  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,454 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think the top one is more attractive overall.

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  • JJSingletonJJSingleton Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I prefer #1. The mellow color is the deciding factor.

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,714 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Top one for color!

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  • No HeadlightsNo Headlights Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Top one because of color as others have stated.

  • ilikemonstersilikemonsters Posts: 767 ✭✭✭✭

    If I were Humbert back in the day, I would have kept the second one. Toning was a detracting factor, which the first one has.

    If I had the opportunity to choose to keep one of the two today, I would choose the first one since I love its originality and look.

  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Me want top one, yellow gold good.

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  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,814 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 27, 2018 6:55PM
    1. I like old gold that looks old. First one has a nice patina. In 1851 it would have been different, however. Not sure what I would have done in 1851.
  • MilkmanDanMilkmanDan Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ilikemonsters said:
    If I were Humbert back in the day, I would have kept the second one. Toning was a detracting factor, which the first one has.

    If I had the opportunity to choose to keep one of the two today, I would choose the first one since I love its originality and look.

    Probably hadn’t toned much back in the day.

  • gtstanggtstang Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Top one looks nice and pops more looking at the pics.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like the color of the first one better.

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,680 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, I also assume neither coin was toned mellow gold back in 1851....I would have taken the top one back then for the stronger rings, and today for the mellow surfaces.

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  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Number one, due to the color.

  • ilikemonstersilikemonsters Posts: 767 ✭✭✭✭

    @OriginalDan said:

    @ilikemonsters said:
    If I were Humbert back in the day, I would have kept the second one. Toning was a detracting factor, which the first one has.

    If I had the opportunity to choose to keep one of the two today, I would choose the first one since I love its originality and look.

    Probably hadn’t toned much back in the day.

    I would choose the top. Looks like a stronger strike.

  • goldengolden Posts: 9,991 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 27, 2018 9:37PM

    1 because of the color.

  • ChangeInHistoryChangeInHistory Posts: 3,085 ✭✭✭✭✭

    1, just looks more interesting

  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,799 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I too am on the bandwagon for #1, due to the nice orangey color.

    But ... geez. Either one of those!


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  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,722 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I definitely like the top one due to the color and strike.

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  • SilverProofQuarter1883SilverProofQuarter1883 Posts: 1,871 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 30, 2018 2:06PM

    I would choose the top one because of the reddish orange toning. It gives the coin character

  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sadly, we're all partners in the lower one - the one on top belongs to a private individual.


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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would choose the second one... I like the bright gold...I also like crusty gold... the top one just looks dirty to me...Cheers, RickO

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,180 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like the originality of the top one but would keep the both of them, just saying

  • jabbajabba Posts: 3,176 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like the top one love toned gold


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  • Aspie_RoccoAspie_Rocco Posts: 3,621 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The first example is extremely well struck on both front and back and nice deep color, the second is weak and deteriorated dies, with a pale look. Send back the second example

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  • Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,684 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Easy: Top one. Very original. Second one has likely been 'monkeyed with'.

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  • bigmarty58bigmarty58 Posts: 2,002 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Bottom ups for me!

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  • AblinkyAblinky Posts: 628 ✭✭✭

    Door numero uno for me.

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  • rln_14rln_14 Posts: 686 ✭✭✭✭

    i like the bottom one, i like the clean fields and i prefer the color of the bottom one, imho

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,709 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Talk about a great pair of cufflinks!!!!

    Both gorgeous. I would probably prefer #2 but I would not turn either one down!

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  • maplemanmapleman Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Toner for me.

  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Top is better struck.

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  • cnncoinscnncoins Posts: 414 ✭✭✭✭

    2nd is in the Smithsonian....i doubt any of us will "profit" from this ownership, but we all can enjoy it!

  • jonrunsjonruns Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Broadstruck said:
    Top is better struck.

    Personally I like #1 because of the toning but Humbert probably chose #1 because the strike was better...especially noticeable on the left Obverse reeding and his name!!!

  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The reverses appear to have been struck by different dies.

    I like #1.

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  • coinhackcoinhack Posts: 1,173 ✭✭✭✭

    I'm on the bandwagon with #1 for the strike. Both are beautiful.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,709 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ms70 said:
    The reverses appear to have been struck by different dies.

    I like #1.

    The reverse images are turned 90 degrees relative to each other. Look at the pimple on the top one about 10 rings right of the center. Now look at the bottom coin 10 rings down from the center.

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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,289 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This isn't the precursor to another giveaway, is it? I'll take the top one. Better strike, no nick in the rim.

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  • KeithMS70KeithMS70 Posts: 192 ✭✭✭

    For me I’d have to go with the top one. I like coins that look they’re age. Original. Both are beautiful, no arguing that

  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 5,034 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 31, 2018 7:50PM


    Tom is the smartest one in the bunch again - I missed the reverse rotation, too. Above are the 2 in sync.

    I assume the photographers were not consistent in how they shot the reverses,
    and that Humbert did not rotate the die.

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