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  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 28, 2018 3:50PM

    Well I have more than 5 figures in 3 of my 58 Barber Half's. Could I sell them for that now? I doubt it....Designing an interior for my coffin so I can take them to sleep with me when the time comes as I write this! :D

  • Peace_dollar88Peace_dollar88 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I thought getting to the four figure coins was an accomplishment for me. maybe someday!!!

  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,723 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 28, 2018 4:53PM

    I don’t really agree with financing, either. Maybe for a couple months but that’s about it. You can’t neglect your savings, your housing, your entertainment, your travel or any of your other necessities. If you can’t afford those, then you have no business buying five or six figure coins....Priorities first! Anything else would not only be crazy, it would be stupid. But, yes, there’s a big world with a lot of money out there.

    Sorry for my negative comments about marriage/wives. I was half joking. I just know a lot about human nature and how relationships work. I’m also very familiar with statistics. But I’ve always had a significant other And have dated lots of very nice girls but I’ve also always had trust issues, too. Two words to always remember: ‘Prenupial Agreement’.

    Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍

    My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):

    https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/

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  • ColonialcoinColonialcoin Posts: 735 ✭✭✭✭

    @FadeToBlack said:

    @specialist said:
    People we sell abut 4-10 five figure coins per week. I also know of 3 other dealers who do the same. It is NOT uncommmon at all. Due to the short week, we sold 3 five figure coins this week.

    Even six figure coins trade activity -not just with us. Our last six figure sale was $150,000.00 last week.

    There is a big world out there with a lot of money in it. It is not just my world. Look at Heritage Platinum Night. Thats $15 million+ of five figure coins easy. They should all sell.

    Does not any one dare to dream big? You can buy five figure coins these days with financing....

    Between four and ten, alright.

    Let's call it 7.

    7 days a week, 7 $10k+ coins a week, 365 $10k+ coins a year.

    Ebay has 334,448 listings sold under coins in the past 90 days. Let's say that's 10% less in the other quarters of the year, for about 300k. That's 1,235,000 coin listings (not individual coins!) sold in the past year on eBay.

    Maybe that gives you a sense of scale, and where Legends place in the market is. You've done an absolutely incredible job building arguably the single greatest high-end dealer in the business, but the reality is that your clientele is only a small portion of the market.

    I, for one would never sell a five figure coin on eBay. It would either go to a dealer that is an expert with the type of coin that I am selling, to an auction house, or straight to someone that I know is looking for a particular item. A good portion of the US coins that are offered on eBay are the everyday sort of thing that one can find at a local monthly show. One can buy all sorts of odds and ends on eBay and have a good time doing it. I usually buy 3 or 4 figure coins and I would rather see them in hand first so that I can make my decision rather than going back and forth with some guy on eBay. Ebay has not been a fun site for me in ages.

  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,723 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Colonialcoin said:

    @FadeToBlack said:

    @specialist said:
    People we sell abut 4-10 five figure coins per week. I also know of 3 other dealers who do the same. It is NOT uncommmon at all. Due to the short week, we sold 3 five figure coins this week.

    Even six figure coins trade activity -not just with us. Our last six figure sale was $150,000.00 last week.

    There is a big world out there with a lot of money in it. It is not just my world. Look at Heritage Platinum Night. Thats $15 million+ of five figure coins easy. They should all sell.

    Does not any one dare to dream big? You can buy five figure coins these days with financing....

    Between four and ten, alright.

    Let's call it 7.

    7 days a week, 7 $10k+ coins a week, 365 $10k+ coins a year.

    Ebay has 334,448 listings sold under coins in the past 90 days. Let's say that's 10% less in the other quarters of the year, for about 300k. That's 1,235,000 coin listings (not individual coins!) sold in the past year on eBay.

    Maybe that gives you a sense of scale, and where Legends place in the market is. You've done an absolutely incredible job building arguably the single greatest high-end dealer in the business, but the reality is that your clientele is only a small portion of the market.

    I, for one would never sell a five figure coin on eBay. It would either go to a dealer that is an expert with the type of coin that I am selling, to an auction house, or straight to someone that I know is looking for a particular item. A good portion of the US coins that are offered on eBay are the everyday sort of thing that one can find at a local monthly show. One can buy all sorts of odds and ends on eBay and have a good time doing it. I usually buy 3 or 4 figure coins and I would rather see them in hand first so that I can make my decision rather than going back and forth with some guy on eBay. Ebay has not been a fun site for me in ages.

    Many large, successful, well known dealers 'advertise' on eBay. It is actually a very good place to locate items and then go from there. I have done this before and it works.

    Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍

    My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):

    https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/

  • ColonialcoinColonialcoin Posts: 735 ✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerfan

    I am glad that you are having success, but for me trying to find high end colonials or better early type is a pain.

  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,723 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Colonialcoin said:
    @Walkerfan

    I am glad that you are having success, but for me trying to find high end colonials or better early type is a pain.

    Thanks. I believe you. I guess it depends on what you're looking for, as Colonial are more of a specialty. I've been fortunate, a few times, but it was from the same dealer. Good luck to you. I sincerely hope you're successful in your search.

    Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍

    My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):

    https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/

  • ColonialcoinColonialcoin Posts: 735 ✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerfan

    Thank you. Good luck to you too! I will say that that the chase is fun as well. I really do appreciate and am very grateful for what I find because I know how much time and effort I put in to find these things.

  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,454 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The category is very broad, from $10k to $99k - there's a lot of variety and opportunity in between!

    Have owned several coins between those extremes.........

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • WildIdeaWildIdea Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's one end of the pool I wouldn't jump in or even dip a toe without being able to commit my entire attention to it and right now, I have way too many other things competing for that. From here, it looks like it would be a fun adrenaline fueled challenge to buy and sell at that level and not get crushed.

  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ha! Currently, my entire collection isn't worth 5-figures...

    Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;

    Successful BST transactions with: SilverEagles92; Ahrensdad; Smitty; GregHansen; Lablade; Mercury10c; copperflopper; whatsup; KISHU1; scrapman1077, crispy, canadanz, smallchange, robkool, Mission16, ranshdow, ibzman350, Fallguy, Collectorcoins, SurfinxHI, jwitten, Walkerguy21D, dsessom.
  • GazesGazes Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭✭✭

    as a very unscientific aside---reading the posts here it appears 13 out of 26 collectors who gave an indication about their own collections (I had to read between the lines on some) at one time owned a five figure coin.

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 28, 2018 7:00PM

    @specialist said: "wrong, many more people then you realize own five figure coins. I know..."

    I'll bet that group is a very small percentage of investors and collectors. So using my uninformed GUESS of 2%, you probably know 1.9% of them whether you sell them coins or not. :wink:

    @ColonelJessup said:

    @Colonialcoin said:

    What are some five figure widgets?

    MCMVII $20

    Yes, these must qualify as "widgets" but the extremely small percentage of them that are not hairlined, rubbed, cleaned, and have complete "as struck frosty surfaces with undamaged rims" can probably be counted on two hands and two feet from three people. That's 60 coins. I've seen only 4 of them in fifty years but I don't get out much. Some of those four have probably been ruined by now.

    PS I think my estimate of 60 coins is high. :)

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Gazes said:
    as a very unscientific aside---reading the posts here it appears 13 out of 26 collectors who gave an indication about their own collections (I had to read between the lines on some) at one time owned a five figure coin.

    My guesstimate wasn't too far off! Is it too late to add an anonymous poll to the thread?

  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Don't have any idea on the % ......but ;) maybe if I stop giving away my shirts ..... I would get one someday :p

  • specialistspecialist Posts: 956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Again, I can think of 5 dealers off the top of my head who sell 5 figure coins weekly. Also, just look at Heritage or Stacks big sales (about 6 total), they sell many millions of five figure coins at a time. count up all the five figure + coins in FUN. They probably will all sell.

    Its not just what I built.

    As far as financing, I assure you, MANY people do it. MANY. And MANY firms cater to people who need terms too.

    My guess is 35% of the market buyers coins of five figures. Now six figures is more like 10% and million dollar coins 5%.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 29, 2018 2:30PM

    @specialist said:
    Again, I can think of 5 dealers off the top of my head who sell 5 figure coins weekly. Also, just look at Heritage or Stacks big sales (about 6 total), they sell many millions of five figure coins at a time. count up all the five figure + coins in FUN. They probably will all sell.

    Its not just what I built.

    As far as financing, I assure you, MANY people do it. MANY. And MANY firms cater to people who need terms too.

    My guess is 35% of the market buyers coins of five figures. Now six figures is more like 10% and million dollar coins 5%.

    There aren't enough million dollar coins to go around to amount to even one percent of the population of collectors unless you define that term very narrowly. In your world and maybe for a few other dealers, the percentages may be accurate for the percentage of your clientele that purchase coins.

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  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interesting comment. There are some folks like me( I assume) selling on ebay that have really scaled back their coin show attendance. With the way ebay has become so not net neutral I might finally break down and build a website. Old dog here and if I can't do it myself I won't! I've sold several 5-10 thousand dollar coins on ebay problem free with happy buyers!

    @Colonialcoin said:

    @FadeToBlack said:

    @specialist said:
    People we sell abut 4-10 five figure coins per week. I also know of 3 other dealers who do the same. It is NOT uncommmon at all. Due to the short week, we sold 3 five figure coins this week.

    Even six figure coins trade activity -not just with us. Our last six figure sale was $150,000.00 last week.

    There is a big world out there with a lot of money in it. It is not just my world. Look at Heritage Platinum Night. Thats $15 million+ of five figure coins easy. They should all sell.

    Does not any one dare to dream big? You can buy five figure coins these days with financing....

    Between four and ten, alright.

    Let's call it 7.

    7 days a week, 7 $10k+ coins a week, 365 $10k+ coins a year.

    Ebay has 334,448 listings sold under coins in the past 90 days. Let's say that's 10% less in the other quarters of the year, for about 300k. That's 1,235,000 coin listings (not individual coins!) sold in the past year on eBay.

    Maybe that gives you a sense of scale, and where Legends place in the market is. You've done an absolutely incredible job building arguably the single greatest high-end dealer in the business, but the reality is that your clientele is only a small portion of the market.

    I, for one would never sell a five figure coin on eBay. It would either go to a dealer that is an expert with the type of coin that I am selling, to an auction house, or straight to someone that I know is looking for a particular item. A good portion of the US coins that are offered on eBay are the everyday sort of thing that one can find at a local monthly show. One can buy all sorts of odds and ends on eBay and have a good time doing it. I usually buy 3 or 4 figure coins and I would rather see them in hand first so that I can make my decision rather than going back and forth with some guy on eBay. Ebay has not been a fun site for me in ages.

  • mirabelamirabela Posts: 5,099 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 28, 2018 8:00PM

    None here, and there probably never will be. I suppose I could, but I'm basically just not that kind of guy. I remember too well what it was like to be worried about making the rent. That's all in the rear-view now, but we still take our vacations in a tent and my big luxury possession is a 35 year old motorboat on a rusty trailer. My collection has a few low four-figure coins in it that I'm still kind of astonished that I get to own.

    mirabela
  • feeter277feeter277 Posts: 48 ✭✭✭

    Have 4 figure coins but will not break 5 unless I win the lotto and can burn money too...

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 28, 2018 9:05PM

    @FadeToBlack said:

    @specialist said:
    Again, I can think of 5 dealers off the top of my head who sell 5 figure coins weekly. Also, just look at Heritage or Stacks big sales (about 6 total), they sell many millions of five figure coins at a time. count up all the five figure + coins in FUN. They probably will all sell.

    Its not just what I built.

    As far as financing, I assure you, MANY people do it. MANY. And MANY firms cater to people who need terms too.

    My guess is 35% of the market buyers coins of five figures. Now six figures is more like 10% and million dollar coins 5%.

    Laura,

    I've never spent more than $965 on a coin.

    Do you consider me to be a collector? A serious one? A casual one?

    What is your definition of a collector?

    Legend has you covered with one coin at the moment but they do have you in their range.

  • opportunityopportunity Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭✭

    Sometimes I walk around coin shows guessing in my head what the net worth of random people are. Sometimes you can tell, but believe me, other times you can't. I've seen people worth 8 figures who dress like slobs, and vice versa.

    Early American Copper, Bust and Seated.

  • ColonialcoinColonialcoin Posts: 735 ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 29, 2018 6:57AM

    @opportunity said:
    Sometimes I walk around coin shows guessing in my head what the net worth of random people are. Sometimes you can tell, but believe me, other times you can't. I've seen people worth 8 figures who dress like slobs, and vice versa.

    I must admit that I have never walked around a coin show with that particular thought in my mind. I tend to look at coins to see if they are pleasing enough for my collection. If a dealer is nice and on the up and up, then I will work with them. If they are rude and don’t have time for me, then I keep walking.

  • CCGGGCCGGG Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 29, 2018 6:52AM

    @opportunity said:
    Sometimes I walk around coin shows guessing in my head what the net worth of random people are. Sometimes you can tell, but believe me, other times you can't. I've seen people worth 8 figures who dress like slobs, and vice versa.

    Don't judge a book by it's cover.

  • jonrunsjonruns Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll take Laura's opinions as fact any day...

  • earlyAurumearlyAurum Posts: 750 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think that there are many 5 figure coin buyers. In what i collect (early quarter eagles), there are no 4 figure coins. When nice examples come up (which is not often) there seems to be plenty of folks aggressively going after them. I am fortunate to have the funds to compete for those nice coins and enjoy this great hobby.

  • CharlotteDudeCharlotteDude Posts: 3,165 ✭✭✭✭✭

    For me, it’s become the norm, rather than the exception... albeit at a measured pace. The good stuff I collect is thankfully very difficult to find in the grade-range I want and unmessed- with.

    Got Crust....y gold?
  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CCGGG said:

    @opportunity said:
    Sometimes I walk around coin shows guessing in my head what the net worth of random people are. Sometimes you can tell, but believe me, other times you can't. I've seen people worth 8 figures who dress like slobs, and vice versa.

    Don't judge a book by it's cover.

    Agree. I had to wear a coat & tie all through HS. So, one of my goals in life was to never again NEED to wear one unless it was my choice (meeting, date).

    Unfortunately, dress for success is still the norm. Most, judge us by our looks. I rode the MetroRail to and from town and worked in the heart of DC. I know the ladies in business dress and heels deplored my casual dress (usually tailored jeans and a shirt). I was once having a photographic portrait made at the Harris & Ewing Studios (former photographers to the presidents) in DC and they took their time asking if I needed help. The same thing happened at a Porsche dealership. LOL. I enjoyed "pricking" their sensibilities. >:)

  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    And farmers. Don't forget farmers.

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I made a five figure coin from a three figure coin ...... :o

    Anyone else?

  • bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 10,425 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @topstuf said:
    And farmers. Don't forget farmers.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:
    I made a five figure coin from a three figure coin ...... :o

    Anyone else?

    Anyone ever gone to a three figure coin from a five figure coin?

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 29, 2018 2:32PM

    ,

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cameonut2011 said:

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:
    I made a five figure coin from a three figure coin ...... :o

    Anyone else?

    Anyone ever gone to a three figure coin from a five figure coin?

    I was wondering if anyone made a five figure coin from a five finger coin! :o:D

  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,571 ✭✭✭✭✭

    7 years ago I paid $25.00 for a 1961 proof set in OGP that contained a DDR half that may warrant a Cameo designation. For these proof sets I allocate 60% of the purchase price to the half dollar and allocate the other 40% to the other four coins. Thus my cost for the half dollar was $15.00. That coin, even raw, is a four figure coin. Two figures to four figures.

    Probably my best cherry pick.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 29, 2018 2:49PM

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:
    I made a five figure coin from a three figure coin ...... :o

    Anyone else?

    If a dealer really received his asking price on a coin now sold on his site for his lower graded coin, then yes, I made a less than $300 purchase into a five figure coin about six months ago. I won't post it so as to avoid creating spam.

  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,199 ✭✭✭✭✭

    _Because the total population of 5 figure coins is just not that high, even if it is in the 5 figures, _

    Methinks you’re off by a factor of two figures

  • jonrunsjonruns Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think I made a 3 figure coin out of a 5 figure coin once!!!

  • OldIndianNutKaseOldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 29, 2018 8:05PM

    There are many series of coins that do not have any >$10K coins. In my collection of IHC PR coins that are BN or RB I have only one >$10k coin, an 1877 in 66BN. Only the top five registry sets in this series might posses a >$10k coin. Statistically, less than 1/2% of coins in this series will sell for >$10,000.

    Coins that sell for >$10,000 have significant rarity. The majority of these coins are very early issues , gold proofs, and high grade key date coins. From a collector's view, most collections can be completed without a >$10,000 coin. That is good for our hobby.

    OINK

  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @johnny9434 said:

    @Treashunt said:

    @cameonut2011 said:

    @Treashunt said:
    Count me in the 98 percentile

    I think most Bust/early federal collectors are. Ditto for branch mint southern gold.

    well, I could buy them, but I'd have to, well, get rid of my wife first!

    whats the hold up ;)>:)

    Ah, she reminds me to take my medicine

    @Walkerfan said:

    @johnny9434 said:

    @Treashunt said:

    @cameonut2011 said:

    @Treashunt said:
    Count me in the 98 percentile

    I think most Bust/early federal collectors are. Ditto for branch mint southern gold.

    well, I could buy them, but I'd have to, well, get rid of my wife first!

    whats the hold up ;)>:)

    Yeah, women come and go and, sometimes, they take half of your stuff and then go, anyway.

    Coins are good and will always be there. LOL

    True, a wife is just a wife, but a coin....!

    Frank

    BHNC #203

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,412 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Gazes said:
    What percentage of serious collectors (ie goes to shows, reads the message boards, etc) do you think own at least one coin that is valued at $10,000 or more?

    Based on the people I’ve met at coin shows over the years , I’d guess the number is 15 to 20%. (Many of those collectors are also part time or full time dealers, of course.)

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.

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