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AT or NT Morgan Gold Label PCI

Bigbuck1975Bigbuck1975 Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited December 23, 2018 7:26PM in U.S. Coin Forum

What say you?


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  • HallcoHallco Posts: 3,671 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm not an expert on toning....but it looks NT to me. I'm probably wrong though! :D

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks natural to me but not something I would pay a large premium for. The colors would need to be brighter and more vibrant to command a premium.

  • PQueuePQueue Posts: 901 ✭✭✭

    AT

  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What's the MG$87 on the rev mean? And secondly PCI was hit with a huge RICO indictment screwing people out of a lot of money. So, get it out of that holder.

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  • cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 5,991 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Impossible to WAG based on that photo.

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  • Bigbuck1975Bigbuck1975 Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 23, 2018 7:23PM

    @cheezhed said:
    Impossible to WAG based on that photo.

    Photo sucks for sure. The colors are pretty wild when cartwheeled.

  • Bigbuck1975Bigbuck1975 Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Namvet69 said:
    What's the MG$87 on the rev mean? And secondly PCI was hit with a huge RICO indictment screwing people out of a lot of money. So, get it out of that holder.

    Help @Insider2

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,645 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MG$87 on the reverse means Morgan Dollar 1887

    I vote NT with a little slab help

  • 1Bufffan1Bufffan Posts: 670 ✭✭✭✭

    MG=Morgan $=dollar 87=the last two digits of the year

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 23, 2018 8:42PM

    The video snapshots make it look better. You have nothing to lose by cracking it out IMHO. I would crack and submit to PCGS or NGC before you sell it.

  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,657 ✭✭✭✭✭

    NT

    thefinn
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll take what looks to be contrarian on this and say I would not pay a premium to buy it as "NT".
    If no real premium, it wouldn't be bad, but I wouldn't crack and expect PCGS to slab it (though, I would be quite happy if they did).

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  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    QT

  • skier07skier07 Posts: 4,342 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It’s a nice looking NT Morgan but nothing special IMHO. I wouldn’t submit a $75 coin to PCGS.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think the photography could be making a big difference here.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Based on experience and gut feel, I would say this one was NT...Not one I would purchase though. Cheers, RickO

  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,352 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The toning is not the typical pattern you see with PCI toning. I think it was bag toned (Naturally Toned) before being graded and slabbed by PCI. I like the coin.

  • stmanstman Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If the culla is accurate in the image I wouldn’t buy it as natural because it doesn’t look natural to my eye.

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  • coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 21,756 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I will say natural as I have several. The only mistake I did was break it out before handing it in.
    A Franklin that I cracked in front of Don Willis was taken back, imaged and graded.So, if you want it to slab
    and graded keep it in there and submit as is.

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  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,377 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm thinking AT and not attractive.

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  • skier07skier07 Posts: 4,342 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2

    Here are two toners I sold on GC. The toning is different than the OP’s coin and in hand both coins were much more colorful with a rainbow look.


  • BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pretty looking coin - we look forward to seeing your results.

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  • CascadeChrisCascadeChris Posts: 2,528 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 24, 2018 9:39AM

    @skier07 said:
    @Insider2

    Here are two toners I sold on GC. The toning is different than the OP’s coin and in hand both coins were much more colorful with a rainbow look.


    You're trying to compare a Melania to two Stormy's bro.

    This coin is NT and MA. While the type of progression isn't typical, it isn't "off" and it has oodles of elevated chromatics AND pullaway. Doctors cannot fake pullaway. What we are seeing is a nice toner that has been kissed a bit by the PCI insert. Should slab when cracked and is /will be worth waaaaay more than 75 bucks. I'd pay more for it as-is just to crack and cross.

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  • CascadeChrisCascadeChris Posts: 2,528 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FadeToBlack said:

    @CascadeChris said:

    @skier07 said:
    @Insider2

    Here are two toners I sold on GC. The toning is different than the OP’s coin and in hand both coins were much more colorful with a rainbow look.


    You're trying to compare a Melania to two Stormy's bro.

    This coin is NT and MA. While the type of progression isn't typical, it isn't "off" and it has oodles of elevated chromatics AND pullaway. Doctors cannot fake pullaway. What we are seeing is a nice toner that has been kissed a bit by the PCI insert. Should slab when cracked and is /will be worth waaaaay more than 75 bucks. I'd pay more for it as-is just to crack and cross.

    I agree with all of this except the pullaway commentary. It can easily be faked.

    Since when?

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  • CascadeChrisCascadeChris Posts: 2,528 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FadeToBlack said:

    @CascadeChris said:

    @skier07 said:
    @Insider2

    Here are two toners I sold on GC. The toning is different than the OP’s coin and in hand both coins were much more colorful with a rainbow look.


    You're trying to compare a Melania to two Stormy's bro.

    This coin is NT and MA. While the type of progression isn't typical, it isn't "off" and it has oodles of elevated chromatics AND pullaway. Doctors cannot fake pullaway. What we are seeing is a nice toner that has been kissed a bit by the PCI insert. Should slab when cracked and is /will be worth waaaaay more than 75 bucks. I'd pay more for it as-is just to crack and cross.

    I agree with all of this except the pullaway commentary. It can easily be faked.

    As far as I know, the only way to get an AT Morgan with Pullaway is to have an NT morgan with minimal coverage that has pullaway and "add to it" which is a somewhat similar situation here but what added to it, a touch, was the PCI insert.

    The more you VAM..
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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @skier07 said:
    @Insider2

    Here are two toners I sold on GC. The toning is different than the OP’s coin and in hand both coins were much more colorful with a rainbow look.


    LOL, NOT EVEN CLOSE! Is that the best you could do?

  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,070 ✭✭✭✭✭

    To me? AT. To anyone else? I don't care. I don't like the coin.

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  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If a coin has some color It does not make it a rainbow.

  • stmanstman Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think someone used the SAE recipe on that Morgan.

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  • DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,215 ✭✭✭✭✭

    To my eye the toning is completely natural. The coin won't grade MS 64 elsewhere. The fields are to scruffy.

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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,645 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 24, 2018 11:28PM

    @CascadeChris said:

    As far as I know, the only way to get an AT Morgan with Pullaway is to have an NT morgan with minimal coverage that has pullaway and "add to it" which is a somewhat similar situation here but what added to it, a touch, was the PCI insert.

    The pull-away is related to the metal flow around the letters and electron configuration after the strike. Probably more important than the time taken to tone (although if you spray it on or cook it, it will cover everything).

    I think the toning premium will be more in line with this lot selling next month
    https://hibid.com/lot/47238209/-1-1887-pcgs-ms65-cac?miles=50&zip=&q=morgan+gold&g=true&filter=&status=

  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,943 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I cant tell if I love that coin or not, the gold label scares me more than the coin.

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  • KeithMS70KeithMS70 Posts: 192 ✭✭✭

    I think it’s a pretty coin you got there. I would say NT as well. As for getting it reslabbed it’s hard to justify spending that much to get a common coin graded. Maybe wait for PCGS to have a special and send it in if that’s your intention.

  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,657 ✭✭✭✭✭

    At least it didn't say, "100% White" on the holder, so you know it looked like that (or close to it) when they put it in.

    thefinn
  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FadeToBlack said:

    @skier07 said:
    @Insider2

    Here are two toners I sold on GC. The toning is different than the OP’s coin and in hand both coins were much more colorful with a rainbow look.

    Both those are ugly, no offense intended lol.

    But they stickered... o:)

  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FadeToBlack said:

    @skier07 said:
    @Insider2

    Here are two toners I sold on GC. The toning is different than the OP’s coin and in hand both coins were much more colorful with a rainbow look.

    Both those are ugly, no offense intended lol.

    I disagree. They aren't show stoppers. They aren't stunning. They aren't GORGEOUS. But, they are "ok", to me, and aren't "ugly" by any means. I've seen some that I have thought were ugly....they aren't even close to those.

    Not every toning is to everyone else's liking.

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  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FadeToBlack said:

    @Bochiman said:

    @FadeToBlack said:

    @skier07 said:
    @Insider2

    Here are two toners I sold on GC. The toning is different than the OP’s coin and in hand both coins were much more colorful with a rainbow look.

    Both those are ugly, no offense intended lol.

    I disagree. They aren't show stoppers. They aren't stunning. They aren't GORGEOUS. But, they are "ok", to me, and aren't "ugly" by any means. I've seen some that I have thought were ugly....they aren't even close to those.

    Not every toning is to everyone else's liking.

    You wanna buy some Morgans? ;)

    Nope...have pretty much all I want...from blast white to toned. I'm sure some folks would like some of mine and some would think some are ugly. Since I collect what I like, and not too worried about what others think, I'm good with mine and don't need more.

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  • PTVETTERPTVETTER Posts: 6,018 ✭✭✭✭✭

    NT
    Get it in a PCGS holder with a CAC sticker and your in the money
    The GREEN toning brings big bucks $$$$$$$

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  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,765 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 27, 2018 9:00AM

    I would say NT.

    Start it on bay at your price and see what happens. The proof is in the pudding.

    I wonder at what grade it would cross to PCGS. Appears under graded to me. Be sure specify your minimum grade on form and don’t crack.

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  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,943 ✭✭✭✭✭

    PCGS wont cross a PCI coin so it has to be cracked in order to go to PCGS

    @Cougar1978 said:
    I would say NT.

    Start it on bay at your price and see what happens. The proof is in the pudding.

    I wonder at what grade it would cross to PCGS. Appears under graded to me. Be sure specify your minimum grade on form and don’t crack.

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  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,504 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 27, 2018 11:17AM

    @blu62vette said:
    PCGS wont cross a PCI coin so it has to be cracked in order to go to PCGS

    @Cougar1978 said:
    I would say NT.

    Start it on bay at your price and see what happens. The proof is in the pudding.

    I wonder at what grade it would cross to PCGS. Appears under graded to me. Be sure specify your minimum grade on form and don’t crack.

    Does someone know this for certain?
    I've seen people crossing PCI coins before. Has the policy changed?

    Here are threads from 2016 and 2017 where some people said they crossed PCI coins in the holder.
    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/958496/pci-to-pcgs-crossover-question-photo-added

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/988028/does-pcgs-or-ngc-accept-pci-for-crossovers

  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,943 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think you can submit them in the holder but they still treat them as raw.

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