PCI to PCGS Crossover question - Photo Added

Bigbuck1975

Can I leave in the PCI holder to cross?

Would post some pics but photobucket is down. I don't want to lose the grade in the holder (I know). It's a 1891 Morgan in MS65.

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oih82w8

I do not see PCI on the list of crossover-able coins;



"Submit your NGC, ANACS or ICG coins for PCGS Crossover..."



http://www.pcgs.com/crossover

Sonorandesertrat

For 1891 Morgan dollars, the spread in FMV between 64 and 65 grades is quite large. A grader looking at a coin through another service's holder is likely to be conservative. Don't expect much. If you really believe in the coin as a PCGS 65, you will probably have to crack it out before submitting it or else it will come back at a lower grade.

Bigbuck1975

I thought I remember someone here doing it.

Sonorandesertrat

Originally posted by: Bigbuck1975
I thought I remember someone here doing it.

Yep. And for every person who succeeds, how many people fail and make this public?

messydesk

The only PCI slab generation where MS65 on a Morgan dollar has a chance at being taken seriously is around 1990-93, where they used the Century Gothic Bold font on their labels, otherwise the grade on the holder is most likely just an illusion, and you shouldn't worry about cracking it out before submitting it. Post a picture of what you have.

ElmerFusterpuck

Originally posted by: Bigbuck1975

I thought I remember someone here doing it.

I just crossed a toned Franklin in a PCI MS-64 FBL holder at the Vegas show. Specified a minimum of 63, but it crossed at the same grade with the FBL.

TopographicOceans

My last PCI cross over attempt was on a seated liberty quarter MS61 that came back Cleaned XF Details.

291fifth

If your photos are accurate then your coin has no chance of crossing. (My opinion.)

BillJones

PCI grading has been historically all over the place. This has been due to multiple owners and some periods during the brand name's existence where they were quite inconsistent.

I have heard many stories about formerly PCI graded coins getting upgrades to the PCGS holder, but not as crossovers from the PCI holder. In other words the coin must stand on its own, and the PCI brand name is not going to help you.

For what it's worth I'm on a laptop with imperfect imaging, but from what I can see there no way that coin is an MS-65. There are too many marks in the right and left fields, and the cheek is not good enough. The reverse might grade MS-65, but that doesn't count.

As others have written there is huge gap in price between the MS-64 and MS-65 grades. On the Gray Sheet it runs from $600 to $5,900. To make MS-65 that coin needs to sing, dance and buy you dinner. Most 1891 dollars have so-so luster, and this one is among that group. So you are not going to get a boost from that.

Given that the price difference between MS-63 and 64 is $170 to $600, don't be surprised if this coin makes no better than MS-63.

LindeDad

Will not cross at grade shown IMO.

jcping

Originally posted by: 291fifth
If your photos are accurate then your coin has no chance of crossing. (My opinion.)

+1

Bigbuck1975

I paid back of 63 money for it so I am good, thank you for the input fellas.

lkeigwin

It stands a better chance of grading fairly if it's raw. Plastic can obscure so the TPG's are a little conservative.



63 looks about right to me.

Lance.

Bochiman

What's the gamble worth to you?



Submit it in holder (you can do that, as they take PCI as crossovers) with a min grade of 65. If it doesn't make it, then you gambled submission, shipping, and insurance fees and lost. Coin doesn't change, holder doesn't change.



That said, I am doubtful, from your pics, that it would cross at 65 grade. 64, maybe more likely.

mercurydimeguy

That coin is seriously dipped out. Scorched almost...



Can't see any better than a 63 on it to be honest...