I don't understand why the Tiffany has such appeal. Is it simply because they are rarer than regular issues? Honest question. Not trying to be snide, so I'd appreciate snideless responses. Thanks.
I agree with you @rtimmer that the 1984 Fleer Update set is one of the greatest '80s sets.
@ahopkins said:
I don't understand why the Tiffany has such appeal. Is it simply because they are rarer than regular issues? Honest question. Not trying to be snide, so I'd appreciate snideless responses. Thanks.
I agree with you @rtimmer that the 1984 Fleer Update set is one of the greatest '80s sets.
The appeal lies in the relative limited quantities of tiffany compared to regular topps. Topps produced millions of each card during 1984-1991. 1985 and 1986 tiffany sets were limited to only 5000 sets. This appeals to the collector who loves the 80's rookies, but wants a higher end version. In addition, tiffany versions used a better quality paper stock with high gloss and much brighter backs.
@VintagemanEd said:
So do we have an idea of the production numbers of the 84 Fleer updates compared to the Tiffany?
I had heard 15,000 FU sets produced. Now keep in mind that is totally unsubstantiated and could be incorrect. I do believe the 85 tiffany set to be more rare. We know there were 5000 of those
@ahopkins said:
I don't understand why the Tiffany has such appeal. Is it simply because they are rarer than regular issues? Honest question. Not trying to be snide, so I'd appreciate snideless responses. Thanks.
I agree with you @rtimmer that the 1984 Fleer Update set is one of the greatest '80s sets.
Supply vs demand is always the answer. Don’t listen to those who yell about dumping junk in the river is sacrilege... every destroyed lot helps lol
@ahopkins said:
I don't understand why the Tiffany has such appeal. Is it simply because they are rarer than regular issues? Honest question. Not trying to be snide, so I'd appreciate snideless responses. Thanks.
I agree with you @rtimmer that the 1984 Fleer Update set is one of the greatest '80s sets.
@ahopkins said:
I don't understand why the Tiffany has such appeal. Is it simply because they are rarer than regular issues? Honest question. Not trying to be snide, so I'd appreciate snideless responses. Thanks.
I agree with you @rtimmer that the 1984 Fleer Update set is one of the greatest '80s sets.
Is it the set you don't get or the Tiffany part?
Arthur
Neither. Just the elevated interest in the Tiffany cards. I'm pretty sure I understand now, thanks to softparade and Craig.
I liked DoubleDragon's analogy but I'd take it a step further: it's like today's paper vs. chrome. Paper has its merits but chrome is just a superior product that is far more limited.
The perfect, high-gloss surface really makes a huge difference in the presentation of the card when you have them in-hand.
@VintagemanEd said:
So do we have an idea of the production numbers of the 84 Fleer updates compared to the Tiffany?
I had heard 15,000 FU sets produced. Now keep in mind that is totally unsubstantiated and could be incorrect. I do believe the 85 tiffany set to be more rare. We know there were 5000 of those
I remember reading in one of the hobby rags back then that the 1984 Fleer Update print run was closer to 35K sets. Which makes sense to me since almost 5000 Clemens have been graded.
This is just some rough math for comparison sake but I think the popularity of the 2 cards are close for it to be accurate.
There have been 2328 Bonds graded by PSA out of the 5000 so roughly 50% meaning if same percentage of Clemens were graded the Fleer update would have around 10,000 sets produced with 5000 being graded.
@craig44 said:
There is currently another 85 Tiffany Clemens in PSA 10 on the bay with 4 days left. Bidding at $7525.00
This card is edging towards 5 figures.
I realize many/most people have decided Roger is guilty of using PEDS. He never failed a test and there was never any credible accusations against him.
2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
@craig44 said:
There is currently another 85 Tiffany Clemens in PSA 10 on the bay with 4 days left. Bidding at $7525.00
This card is edging towards 5 figures.
I realize many/most people have decided Roger is guilty of using PEDS. He never failed a test and there was never any credible accusations against him.
Whether Clemens is technically guilty or not doesn't matter any more. PEDs are more common now in sports. Except for some purists, I think a lot of people just don't care any more. The HOF has also become less of a factor. People are going to buy their heros, the icons, and/or those popular due to media presence.
@craig44 said:
There is currently another 85 Tiffany Clemens in PSA 10 on the bay with 4 days left. Bidding at $7525.00
This card is edging towards 5 figures.
I realize many/most people have decided Roger is guilty of using PEDS. He never failed a test and there was never any credible accusations against him.
@craig44 said:
There is currently another 85 Tiffany Clemens in PSA 10 on the bay with 4 days left. Bidding at $7525.00
This card is edging towards 5 figures.
I realize many/most people have decided Roger is guilty of using PEDS. He never failed a test and there was never any credible accusations against him.
you are absolutely correct joe. His name was tarnished for no good reason
@craig44 said:
There is currently another 85 Tiffany Clemens in PSA 10 on the bay with 4 days left. Bidding at $7525.00
This card is edging towards 5 figures.
I realize many/most people have decided Roger is guilty of using PEDS. He never failed a test and there was never any credible accusations against him.
He was named in the Mitchell report.
He was accused by a disgruntled former employee who had an axe to grind. no credible evidence at all.
@craig44 said:
There is currently another 85 Tiffany Clemens in PSA 10 on the bay with 4 days left. Bidding at $7525.00
This card is edging towards 5 figures.
I realize many/most people have decided Roger is guilty of using PEDS. He never failed a test and there was never any credible accusations against him.
He was named in the Mitchell report.
He was accused by a disgruntled former employee who had an axe to grind. no credible evidence at all.
Sure, his name just shows up because of a disgruntled former employee. This wasn’t an HR issue. Andy Pettitte lied?
@craig44 said:
There is currently another 85 Tiffany Clemens in PSA 10 on the bay with 4 days left. Bidding at $7525.00
This card is edging towards 5 figures.
I realize many/most people have decided Roger is guilty of using PEDS. He never failed a test and there was never any credible accusations against him.
He was named in the Mitchell report.
He was accused by a disgruntled former employee who had an axe to grind. no credible evidence at all.
Sure, his name just shows up because of a disgruntled former employee. This wasn’t an HR issue. Andy Pettitte lied?
Pettite admitted there was a better than fifty percent chance he was wrong. and yes, Macnamee was the only witness. there was no one else. his own wife said he was lying. Mitchell was after a big fish. he tried to get one with clemens. it was a sham. you are just regurgitating what you heard from lester munson and espn.
@craig44 said:
There is currently another 85 Tiffany Clemens in PSA 10 on the bay with 4 days left. Bidding at $7525.00
This card is edging towards 5 figures.
I realize many/most people have decided Roger is guilty of using PEDS. He never failed a test and there was never any credible accusations against him.
He was named in the Mitchell report.
He was accused by a disgruntled former employee who had an axe to grind. no credible evidence at all.
Sure, his name just shows up because of a disgruntled former employee. This wasn’t an HR issue. Andy Pettitte lied?
Pettite admitted there was a better than fifty percent chance he was wrong. and yes, Macnamee was the only witness. there was no one else. his own wife said he was lying. Mitchell was after a big fish. he tried to get one with clemens. it was a sham. you are just regurgitating what you heard from lester munson and espn.
I believe the Mitchell report over some random guy on a message board. You can keep regurgitating your opinion so eventually someone might believe it’s facts. Clemens cheated and should never be elected to the HOF. Speculation/investing in his cards is a different story.
@craig44 said:
There is currently another 85 Tiffany Clemens in PSA 10 on the bay with 4 days left. Bidding at $7525.00
This card is edging towards 5 figures.
I realize many/most people have decided Roger is guilty of using PEDS. He never failed a test and there was never any credible accusations against him.
He was named in the Mitchell report.
He was accused by a disgruntled former employee who had an axe to grind. no credible evidence at all.
Sure, his name just shows up because of a disgruntled former employee. This wasn’t an HR issue. Andy Pettitte lied?
Pettite admitted there was a better than fifty percent chance he was wrong. and yes, Macnamee was the only witness. there was no one else. his own wife said he was lying. Mitchell was after a big fish. he tried to get one with clemens. it was a sham. you are just regurgitating what you heard from lester munson and espn.
I believe the Mitchell report over some random guy on a message board. You can keep regurgitating your opinion so eventually someone might believe it’s facts. Clemens cheated and should never be elected to the HOF. Speculation/investing in his cards is a different story.
Is Gaylord Perry (not nearly the pitcher Clemens was) in the HoF?
@craig44 said:
There is currently another 85 Tiffany Clemens in PSA 10 on the bay with 4 days left. Bidding at $7525.00
This card is edging towards 5 figures.
I realize many/most people have decided Roger is guilty of using PEDS. He never failed a test and there was never any credible accusations against him.
He was named in the Mitchell report.
He was accused by a disgruntled former employee who had an axe to grind. no credible evidence at all.
Sure, his name just shows up because of a disgruntled former employee. This wasn’t an HR issue. Andy Pettitte lied?
Pettite admitted there was a better than fifty percent chance he was wrong. and yes, Macnamee was the only witness. there was no one else. his own wife said he was lying. Mitchell was after a big fish. he tried to get one with clemens. it was a sham. you are just regurgitating what you heard from lester munson and espn.
I believe the Mitchell report over some random guy on a message board. You can keep regurgitating your opinion so eventually someone might believe it’s facts. Clemens cheated and should never be elected to the HOF. Speculation/investing in his cards is a different story.
Is Gaylord Perry (not nearly the pitcher Clemens was) in the HoF?
@craig44 said:
There is currently another 85 Tiffany Clemens in PSA 10 on the bay with 4 days left. Bidding at $7525.00
This card is edging towards 5 figures.
I realize many/most people have decided Roger is guilty of using PEDS. He never failed a test and there was never any credible accusations against him.
He was named in the Mitchell report.
He was accused by a disgruntled former employee who had an axe to grind. no credible evidence at all.
Sure, his name just shows up because of a disgruntled former employee. This wasn’t an HR issue. Andy Pettitte lied?
Pettite admitted there was a better than fifty percent chance he was wrong. and yes, Macnamee was the only witness. there was no one else. his own wife said he was lying. Mitchell was after a big fish. he tried to get one with clemens. it was a sham. you are just regurgitating what you heard from lester munson and espn.
I believe the Mitchell report over some random guy on a message board. You can keep regurgitating your opinion so eventually someone might believe it’s facts. Clemens cheated and should never be elected to the HOF. Speculation/investing in his cards is a different story.
Is Gaylord Perry (not nearly the pitcher Clemens was) in the HoF?
Is he on the Mitchell report for steroids?
Apologies. I did not realize that the Mitchell report was the sole determiner of whether someone cheated. I withdraw my question.
@craig44 said:
There is currently another 85 Tiffany Clemens in PSA 10 on the bay with 4 days left. Bidding at $7525.00
This card is edging towards 5 figures.
I realize many/most people have decided Roger is guilty of using PEDS. He never failed a test and there was never any credible accusations against him.
He was named in the Mitchell report.
He was accused by a disgruntled former employee who had an axe to grind. no credible evidence at all.
Sure, his name just shows up because of a disgruntled former employee. This wasn’t an HR issue. Andy Pettitte lied?
Pettite admitted there was a better than fifty percent chance he was wrong. and yes, Macnamee was the only witness. there was no one else. his own wife said he was lying. Mitchell was after a big fish. he tried to get one with clemens. it was a sham. you are just regurgitating what you heard from lester munson and espn.
I believe the Mitchell report over some random guy on a message board. You can keep regurgitating your opinion so eventually someone might believe it’s facts. Clemens cheated and should never be elected to the HOF. Speculation/investing in his cards is a different story.
Is Gaylord Perry (not nearly the pitcher Clemens was) in the HoF?
Is he on the Mitchell report for steroids?
perry admitted he cheated. clemens did not. you keep mentioning the mitchell report as though it is gospel. what exactly is your evidence clemens used? I would love to hear it.
@ahopkins said:
I don't understand why the Tiffany has such appeal. Is it simply because they are rarer than regular issues? Honest question. Not trying to be snide, so I'd appreciate snideless responses. Thanks.
I agree with you @rtimmer that the 1984 Fleer Update set is one of the greatest '80s sets.
Is it the set you don't get or the Tiffany part?
Arthur
there were only 5ooo tiffany made and a trillion mde of the regular version. What is not to understand
@craig44 said:
There is currently another 85 Tiffany Clemens in PSA 10 on the bay with 4 days left. Bidding at $7525.00
This card is edging towards 5 figures.
I realize many/most people have decided Roger is guilty of using PEDS. He never failed a test and there was never any credible accusations against him.
Whether Clemens is technically guilty or not doesn't matter any more. PEDs are more common now in sports. Except for some purists, I think a lot of people just don't care any more. The HOF has also become less of a factor. People are going to buy their heros, the icons, and/or those popular due to media presence.
PED are not more common now in sports, they were more common then !!!
People keep forgetting that when Bonds Mgwire Sosa and Clemens took PED it was LEGAL
Let me write that again
IT WAS LEGAL
one more time
It WAS NOT AGAINST THE RULES
one more time
YOU COULD DO IT AND THEN THE LEAGUE DIDNT CARE
one more time
YOU COULDNT GET CAUGHT BECAUSE IT WASNT AGAINST THE RULES
one more time
IT WAS OK !!!
one more time
@ahopkins said:
I don't understand why the Tiffany has such appeal. Is it simply because they are rarer than regular issues? Honest question. Not trying to be snide, so I'd appreciate snideless responses. Thanks.
I agree with you @rtimmer that the 1984 Fleer Update set is one of the greatest '80s sets.
Is it the set you don't get or the Tiffany part?
Arthur
there were only 5ooo tiffany made and a trillion mde of the regular version. What is not to understand
@craig44 said:
There is currently another 85 Tiffany Clemens in PSA 10 on the bay with 4 days left. Bidding at $7525.00
This card is edging towards 5 figures.
I realize many/most people have decided Roger is guilty of using PEDS. He never failed a test and there was never any credible accusations against him.
He was named in the Mitchell report.
He was accused by a disgruntled former employee who had an axe to grind. no credible evidence at all.
Sure, his name just shows up because of a disgruntled former employee. This wasn’t an HR issue. Andy Pettitte lied?
Pettite admitted there was a better than fifty percent chance he was wrong. and yes, Macnamee was the only witness. there was no one else. his own wife said he was lying. Mitchell was after a big fish. he tried to get one with clemens. it was a sham. you are just regurgitating what you heard from lester munson and espn.
I believe the Mitchell report over some random guy on a message board. You can keep regurgitating your opinion so eventually someone might believe it’s facts. Clemens cheated and should never be elected to the HOF. Speculation/investing in his cards is a different story.
Is Gaylord Perry (not nearly the pitcher Clemens was) in the HoF?
Is he on the Mitchell report for steroids?
perry admitted he cheated. clemens did not. you keep mentioning the mitchell report as though it is gospel. what exactly is your evidence clemens used? I would love to hear it.
@craig44 said:
There is currently another 85 Tiffany Clemens in PSA 10 on the bay with 4 days left. Bidding at $7525.00
This card is edging towards 5 figures.
I realize many/most people have decided Roger is guilty of using PEDS. He never failed a test and there was never any credible accusations against him.
Whether Clemens is technically guilty or not doesn't matter any more. PEDs are more common now in sports. Except for some purists, I think a lot of people just don't care any more. The HOF has also become less of a factor. People are going to buy their heros, the icons, and/or those popular due to media presence.
PED are not more common now in sports, they were more common then !!!
People keep forgetting that when Bonds Mgwire Sosa and Clemens took PED it was LEGAL
Let me write that again
IT WAS LEGAL
one more time
It WAS NOT AGAINST THE RULES
one more time
YOU COULD DO IT AND THEN THE LEAGUE DIDNT CARE
one more time
YOU COULDNT GET CAUGHT BECAUSE IT WASNT AGAINST THE RULES
one more time
IT WAS OK !!!
one more time
That is not factual true. You are blurring the timeline.
@craig44 said:
There is currently another 85 Tiffany Clemens in PSA 10 on the bay with 4 days left. Bidding at $7525.00
This card is edging towards 5 figures.
I realize many/most people have decided Roger is guilty of using PEDS. He never failed a test and there was never any credible accusations against him.
He was named in the Mitchell report.
He was accused by a disgruntled former employee who had an axe to grind. no credible evidence at all.
Sure, his name just shows up because of a disgruntled former employee. This wasn’t an HR issue. Andy Pettitte lied?
Pettite admitted there was a better than fifty percent chance he was wrong. and yes, Macnamee was the only witness. there was no one else. his own wife said he was lying. Mitchell was after a big fish. he tried to get one with clemens. it was a sham. you are just regurgitating what you heard from lester munson and espn.
I believe the Mitchell report over some random guy on a message board. You can keep regurgitating your opinion so eventually someone might believe it’s facts. Clemens cheated and should never be elected to the HOF. Speculation/investing in his cards is a different story.
Is Gaylord Perry (not nearly the pitcher Clemens was) in the HoF?
Is he on the Mitchell report for steroids?
perry admitted he cheated. clemens did not. you keep mentioning the mitchell report as though it is gospel. what exactly is your evidence clemens used? I would love to hear it.
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It’s really an easy one, the Mitchell repo
the only person Mitchell interviewed in regard to clemens was Macnamee. and yes, he was a former employee, with an axe to grind who testified under duress to mitchell. He admitted in the defamation suit he testified against clemens under duress of not getting immunity unless he did.
@craig44 said:
There is currently another 85 Tiffany Clemens in PSA 10 on the bay with 4 days left. Bidding at $7525.00
This card is edging towards 5 figures.
I realize many/most people have decided Roger is guilty of using PEDS. He never failed a test and there was never any credible accusations against him.
He was named in the Mitchell report.
He was accused by a disgruntled former employee who had an axe to grind. no credible evidence at all.
Sure, his name just shows up because of a disgruntled former employee. This wasn’t an HR issue. Andy Pettitte lied?
Pettite admitted there was a better than fifty percent chance he was wrong. and yes, Macnamee was the only witness. there was no one else. his own wife said he was lying. Mitchell was after a big fish. he tried to get one with clemens. it was a sham. you are just regurgitating what you heard from lester munson and espn.
I believe the Mitchell report over some random guy on a message board. You can keep regurgitating your opinion so eventually someone might believe it’s facts. Clemens cheated and should never be elected to the HOF. Speculation/investing in his cards is a different story.
Is Gaylord Perry (not nearly the pitcher Clemens was) in the HoF?
Is he on the Mitchell report for steroids?
perry admitted he cheated. clemens did not. you keep mentioning the mitchell report as though it is gospel. what exactly is your evidence clemens used? I would love to hear it.
It’s really an easy one, the Mitchell report.
I do have my doubts about Clemens, however have you actually read the report? I read the part that mentions Clemens and it really boils down to Macnamee's word against Roger's. Both had reasons to lie, but Macnamee has a bad track record here. Pettite's flip-flopping statements are also confusing.
@craig44 said:
There is currently another 85 Tiffany Clemens in PSA 10 on the bay with 4 days left. Bidding at $7525.00
This card is edging towards 5 figures.
I realize many/most people have decided Roger is guilty of using PEDS. He never failed a test and there was never any credible accusations against him.
Whether Clemens is technically guilty or not doesn't matter any more. PEDs are more common now in sports. Except for some purists, I think a lot of people just don't care any more. The HOF has also become less of a factor. People are going to buy their heros, the icons, and/or those popular due to media presence.
PED are not more common now in sports, they were more common then !!!
People keep forgetting that when Bonds Mgwire Sosa and Clemens took PED it was LEGAL
Let me write that again
IT WAS LEGAL
one more time
It WAS NOT AGAINST THE RULES
one more time
YOU COULD DO IT AND THEN THE LEAGUE DIDNT CARE
one more time
YOU COULDNT GET CAUGHT BECAUSE IT WASNT AGAINST THE RULES
one more time
IT WAS OK !!!
one more time
You are completely incorrect.
2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
@stwainfan said:
Gaylord Perry used the spit ball. It's called cheating.
the issue with steriods is physical enhancing with a spitball was just doctoring the baseball i do not think it was a big deal. i think that clemens bonds and rodriguez should be in the hall of fame. they were some of the best players of there era it is to bad that they did not think they were and had to do steriods to think that they were not.
with shipping and sales tax, this card went for over $9k! As far as I know, that is the highest price ever paid for a Clemens card. It seems, the next time one comes up for auction, it will probably break 5 figures.
Comments
I don't understand why the Tiffany has such appeal. Is it simply because they are rarer than regular issues? Honest question. Not trying to be snide, so I'd appreciate snideless responses. Thanks.
I agree with you @rtimmer that the 1984 Fleer Update set is one of the greatest '80s sets.
Andy
The appeal lies in the relative limited quantities of tiffany compared to regular topps. Topps produced millions of each card during 1984-1991. 1985 and 1986 tiffany sets were limited to only 5000 sets. This appeals to the collector who loves the 80's rookies, but wants a higher end version. In addition, tiffany versions used a better quality paper stock with high gloss and much brighter backs.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
So do we have an idea of the production numbers of the 84 Fleer updates compared to the Tiffany?
I had heard 15,000 FU sets produced. Now keep in mind that is totally unsubstantiated and could be incorrect. I do believe the 85 tiffany set to be more rare. We know there were 5000 of those
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Supply vs demand is always the answer. Don’t listen to those who yell about dumping junk in the river is sacrilege... every destroyed lot helps lol
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
I guess tiffany is kind of like todays chrome refractors. It's always going to be more sought after than just the base versions.
Thanks for the responses @craig44 @softparade @doubledragon .
Andy
Is it the set you don't get or the Tiffany part?
Arthur
Neither. Just the elevated interest in the Tiffany cards. I'm pretty sure I understand now, thanks to softparade and Craig.
Andy
I liked DoubleDragon's analogy but I'd take it a step further: it's like today's paper vs. chrome. Paper has its merits but chrome is just a superior product that is far more limited.
The perfect, high-gloss surface really makes a huge difference in the presentation of the card when you have them in-hand.
Arthur
I remember reading in one of the hobby rags back then that the 1984 Fleer Update print run was closer to 35K sets. Which makes sense to me since almost 5000 Clemens have been graded.
It's very possible my number was far too low.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
This is just some rough math for comparison sake but I think the popularity of the 2 cards are close for it to be accurate.
There have been 2328 Bonds graded by PSA out of the 5000 so roughly 50% meaning if same percentage of Clemens were graded the Fleer update would have around 10,000 sets produced with 5000 being graded.
Join the Rookie stars on top PSA registry today:
1980-1989 Cello Packs - Rookies
some interesting Bonds and Clemens auctions going on by PWCC. all have 7 days left.
Bonds: 2 1986 TT Tiffany PSA 10 both at $910.00
1 1987 OPC PSA 10 at $1125.00
Clemens: 1996 Score select certified Mirror Gold PSA 10 at $2375.00
1985 Tiffany PSA 10 at $4050.00
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
They really don't deserve this at all. Why anyone would spend that kind of money on a bunch of FAKERS is beyond me
What's next, Lance Armstrong stuff is gonna make a comeback?
Dimes: 54S, 53P, 50P, 49S, 45D+S, 44S, 43D, 41S, 40D+S, 39D+S, 38D+S, 37D+S, 36S, 35D+S, all 16-34's
Quarters: 52S, 47S, 46S, 40S, 39S, 38S, 37D+S, 36D+S, 35D, 34D, 32D+S
74 Topps: 37,38,46,47,48,138,151,193,210,214,223,241,256,264,268,277,289,316,435,552,570,577,592,602,610,654,655
1997 Finest silver: 115, 135, 139, 145, 310
1995 Ultra Gold Medallion Sets: Golden Prospects, HR Kings, On-Base Leaders, Power Plus, RBI Kings, Rising Stars
1985 tiffany Clemens sells for $5575.00
1996 mirror gold Clemens Sells for $3501.00
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
an 1985 TT clemens sold last night for
$5600.00
last two sales over $5500.00
is there any chance this card could break 5 figures in the future? could have had it for 1500-2000 a few years ago
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
What about the '85 McGwire psa-10 for $1700+
Wow! I didn't see that one. Impressive
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
1985 tt Clemens PSA 10 sale for $6200.00.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
1985 TT Clemens psa 10 sold for $7211.00 on August 17. A record sale as far as i know.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
There is currently another 85 Tiffany Clemens in PSA 10 on the bay with 4 days left. Bidding at $7525.00
This card is edging towards 5 figures.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I realize many/most people have decided Roger is guilty of using PEDS. He never failed a test and there was never any credible accusations against him.
Whether Clemens is technically guilty or not doesn't matter any more. PEDs are more common now in sports. Except for some purists, I think a lot of people just don't care any more. The HOF has also become less of a factor. People are going to buy their heros, the icons, and/or those popular due to media presence.
He was named in the Mitchell report.
you are absolutely correct joe. His name was tarnished for no good reason
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
He was accused by a disgruntled former employee who had an axe to grind. no credible evidence at all.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Sure, his name just shows up because of a disgruntled former employee. This wasn’t an HR issue. Andy Pettitte lied?
Pettite admitted there was a better than fifty percent chance he was wrong. and yes, Macnamee was the only witness. there was no one else. his own wife said he was lying. Mitchell was after a big fish. he tried to get one with clemens. it was a sham. you are just regurgitating what you heard from lester munson and espn.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I believe the Mitchell report over some random guy on a message board. You can keep regurgitating your opinion so eventually someone might believe it’s facts. Clemens cheated and should never be elected to the HOF. Speculation/investing in his cards is a different story.
Is Gaylord Perry (not nearly the pitcher Clemens was) in the HoF?
Is he on the Mitchell report for steroids?
Apologies. I did not realize that the Mitchell report was the sole determiner of whether someone cheated. I withdraw my question.
perry admitted he cheated. clemens did not. you keep mentioning the mitchell report as though it is gospel. what exactly is your evidence clemens used? I would love to hear it.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
there were only 5ooo tiffany made and a trillion mde of the regular version. What is not to understand
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_players_from_Panama
PED are not more common now in sports, they were more common then !!!
People keep forgetting that when Bonds Mgwire Sosa and Clemens took PED it was LEGAL
Let me write that again
IT WAS LEGAL
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It WAS NOT AGAINST THE RULES
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YOU COULD DO IT AND THEN THE LEAGUE DIDNT CARE
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YOU COULDNT GET CAUGHT BECAUSE IT WASNT AGAINST THE RULES
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IT WAS OK !!!
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_players_from_Panama
Me no care
Andy
It’s really an easy one, the Mitchell report.
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George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
That is not factual true. You are blurring the timeline.
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the only person Mitchell interviewed in regard to clemens was Macnamee. and yes, he was a former employee, with an axe to grind who testified under duress to mitchell. He admitted in the defamation suit he testified against clemens under duress of not getting immunity unless he did.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I do have my doubts about Clemens, however have you actually read the report? I read the part that mentions Clemens and it really boils down to Macnamee's word against Roger's. Both had reasons to lie, but Macnamee has a bad track record here. Pettite's flip-flopping statements are also confusing.
You are completely incorrect.
Gaylord Perry used the spit ball. It's called cheating.
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the issue with steriods is physical enhancing with a spitball was just doctoring the baseball i do not think it was a big deal. i think that clemens bonds and rodriguez should be in the hall of fame. they were some of the best players of there era it is to bad that they did not think they were and had to do steriods to think that they were not.
i wonder if the clemens on the left would grade a psa 9.
It already has.
I think if Bud Sellig makes the hall then Clemens and Bonds should definitely make it!
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The Clemens 1985 Tiffany PSA 10 ended last night.
Final price: $8577.00
with shipping and sales tax, this card went for over $9k! As far as I know, that is the highest price ever paid for a Clemens card. It seems, the next time one comes up for auction, it will probably break 5 figures.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Amazing Clemens auction. My favorite strike out king is Mr. Rob Deer. He put up some awesome numbers.