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why do I see proof modern gold sold sometimes less than regular gold?

GazesGazes Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭✭✭

I see this especially with american eagles at 1/10 of an ounce

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  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,121 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Could it be...supply & demand? ;)

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,823 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 24, 2018 11:30AM

    @Gazes said:
    I see this especially with american eagles at 1/10 of an ounce

    Occasionally, but not the norm. Proof buyers tend to be collectors, business strike buyers tend to be stackers.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Gazes....Do you mean for a lower premium? Or below melt? If below melt, grab them. If for a lower premium, than someone is just trying to move them...Cheers, RickO

  • GazesGazes Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ricko said:
    @Gazes....Do you mean for a lower premium? Or below melt? If below melt, grab them. If for a lower premium, than someone is just trying to move them...Cheers, RickO

    I meant for a lower premium. I guess I just assumed a proof billion coin would always have a higher premium than a non proof. thanks for the responses

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    maybe the collectors (proofs) or bailing (supply) while the stackers (business strikes) hold firm.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • s4nys4ny Posts: 1,569 ✭✭✭

    Sometimes collectors mostly bought proofs and the uncirculated coins have far lower mintages and higher values. Example is the 1997 Jackie Robinson $5 coin.

    Most times, proof or uncirculated modern gold coins are just small premiums to melt. As they should be.

  • zski123zski123 Posts: 256 ✭✭✭

    @FSF said:
    A local bullion dealer in my area recently had volumes of Proof 1 ouncers at $29 over spot in government packaging.

    That's an excellent deal.

  • bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 10,225 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 27, 2018 6:22AM

    proof bullion is a sucker play , its worth more because its shiny they all say. Its annoying actually , its harder to store , you can fill a tube with 40 or 50 1/10 ounce bullion AGE what do you do with 40 or 50 proofs in those cheesy looking packages? Do everyone a favor and smash the capsule scratch the coin and set fire to all that velvety garbage they swaddle it all in.

    Proof bullion is a solution looking for a problem , it removes clarity from the buy and sell decision , brings unwarranted attention and confusion to the process

    Id also add that its an affront to the concept of collecting , producing it is the process of creating fake reasons to collect non scarce rarities that saddle the first owner with illusions of non existent "added value"

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    American Eagle premiums are high enough without any added "proof" premium. Strictly for serious collectors.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,850 ✭✭✭✭✭

    what do you do with 40 or 50 proofs in those cheesy looking packages? Do everyone a favor and smash the capsule scratch the coin and set fire to all that velvety garbage they swaddle it all in.

    Oh, the humanity!

    Hey, what do you expect from the Mint? It's the Mint!!! We're way past the time when "proof" was a test coin for the workmanship of the dies.

    I think that premiums on modern proof bullion rise & fall with the bullion market. When bullion has another field day, the proofs will probably climb faster. I'm not really much of an advocate for collector bullion anymore, but I'm not averse to it either. Most every type of bullion coin can be considered collectable to some degree.

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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,293 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2018 6:59AM

    People sell me gold ( any form) at a discount, every week. I'd sell it to them near spot, if they were buying.
    I think it's some people's only source of money, before the next paycheck. I'm speculating because I don't know the answer.

    It's a phenomena to me. And why I sell on eBay is a good question, too.

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