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  • KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I go looking for the best Pan-Pacific $50 slugs and get both the round and octagon. But really, most would go to charity. I already have a trust set up to benefit Doctors With Out Borders, Clean Water Initiative, MADD and the Maui Humane Society.


  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,857 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’d give up coins & start collecting islands, airplanes, & yatchs.

    Really, that’s a stupendous amount of money.

  • CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 10,135 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 23, 2018 11:49PM

    @dcarr said:
    My wife just sent me out at 7:25PM to buy 10 tickets. She told me the cut-off for sales was 10:00PM.
    When I got to the counter, the clerk said that I missed the deadline by 10 seconds. The deadline is actually 7:30PM (local time) here in Colorado.

    Well, anyway, that is $20 saved.
    Now, what should I buy for $20 ?

    >
    Brings up a good question. Consider the numbers on the ten tickets that you had planned on buying. Did they just pop up on the next ten random pick tickets purchased (assuming that you would have bought system generated tickets) or did those numbers just go poof into the ether since you were not there to purchase them?

  • FullStrikeFullStrike Posts: 4,353 ✭✭✭

    I'd sit on the winning ticket about 333 Days then try to figure WHAT I could POSSIBLY DO with all that money. Buy Coins? No way Jose. Hmmmmmmmmm. Good questions.

    Thank the Lord I'll never have to deal with the Question. 🤔

  • BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinstartled said:

    @dcarr said:
    My wife just sent me out at 7:25PM to buy 10 tickets. She told me the cut-off for sales was 10:00PM.
    When I got to the counter, the clerk said that I missed the deadline by 10 seconds. The deadline is actually 7:30PM (local time) here in Colorado.

    Well, anyway, that is $20 saved.
    Now, what should I buy for $20 ?

    >
    Brings up a good question. Consider the numbers on the ten tickets that you had planned on buying. Did they just pop up on the next ten random pick tickets purchased (assuming that you would have bought system generated tickets) or did those numbers just go poof into the ether since you were not there to purchase them?

    They probably never existed in the first place.

    The numbers should be generated on demand. Pre-generated numbers will follow a pattern, that's just how machines work. A set of numbers generated on demand will be more random, since us humans suck at keeping precise time and will request numbers at any time. (I'm assuming, since it's the lottery, they'd want to keep everything as random as possible.)

    On the other hand, if you're asking some existential question like whether the universe is predestined or multi-threaded, you're on your own. :smiley:

  • BigABigA Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭

    One winner in So. Carolina....note: I do NOT live in So. Carolina ;(

  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 24, 2018 5:04AM

    Hoping John Kraljevich won, as he's the only person in SC that I know :)

    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have not yet checked my ticket (and I do not live in SC)....so, I did not win the jackpot...However, I may have won a smaller prize... I will let the anticipation grow a bit more... :D;) Cheers, RickO

  • originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,971 ✭✭✭✭

    @FadeToBlack said:

    @logger7 said:
    I would regard it as almost a set up for endless trouble.

    Taxes are taken off the top, but I hear there are lots of ways to lower the tax burden getting money back if you can get a load
    of losing tickets in case of audit. There are long lines today with office workers buying their tickets and guys spending in some cases over $100 on tickets.

    "To whom much is given much will be required". Would you want to become a poster boy with the photos of the latest lottery winning idiot?

    Most of the people I have known who got into gambling were wiped out eventually. A neighbor came up short unable to pay his bookie three times; and got worked over. He doesn't walk right and has emotional damage clearly.

    I look at the "lucky" numbers you are supposed to pick with the supposedly random lottery drawings, and my eyes glaze over; there is no rhyme or reason when the numbers come up. I was watching the lottery ticket buyers yesterday and they had no real interaction with one another in their belief they could be the lucky winner. Compulsive, usually desperate, not happy people is what I see in these stores. There have been a few movies on this phenomenon, like "St. John of Vegas".

    Has there been any huge lottery winner ($50-$100 million+) who has been bettered by it, been able to handle it without losing their head? Stories of wrecked lives are common. It doesn't matter how people may fantasize about how they will be able to handle it, it will not happen in a positive way, it probably never has in the US. And mega winners who want to remain anonymous have zero sympathy; with millions of losers it just is not realistic to expect the few who luck out to be able to pull up the trap door while they live their "dream" life.

    So pessimistic. God forbid people spend a few bucks chasing a dream.

    Plenty of lottery winners have gone on to have productive, fulfilling lives. You just hear about the ones who don't.

    Exactly so. The ones who don't do well are newsworthy (if it bleeds it leads.) Plenty of winners do just fine and I wouldn't mind at all being among them one day. ;) Now mind you, it's no 1.6 billion, but Powerball sits at 600 million for tonight. Not exactly chump change. ;)

  • originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,971 ✭✭✭✭

    @dcarr said:
    My wife just sent me out at 7:25PM to buy 10 tickets. She told me the cut-off for sales was 10:00PM.
    When I got to the counter, the clerk said that I missed the deadline by 10 seconds. The deadline is actually 7:30PM (local time) here in Colorado.

    Well, anyway, that is $20 saved.
    Now, what should I buy for $20 ?

    Dan, just spend $2 on a Powerball ticket for tonight, assuming they do Powerball in CO. :)

  • logger7logger7 Posts: 9,050 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Of course there are positive stories in winning the lottery: https://www.popsugar.com/smart-living/Good-Lottery-Stories-34701048

    And some seek to dispell the "pessimistic" stories with statistics like in this study: http://time.com/5427275/lottery-winning-happiness-debunked/

    However that was based on winners in Sweden a totally different economy and social safety net.

    If I got a huge amount of money precious metals would be one area of investment, then high end gold.

  • BigABigA Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭

    @ricko said:
    I have not yet checked my ticket (and I do not live in SC)....so, I did not win the jackpot...However, I may have won a smaller prize... I will let the anticipation grow a bit more... :D;) Cheers, RickO

    I bought 10 tickets...50 numbers plus 10 bonus numbers..60 total.....out of that 60 I had ONE correct number...ONE of 60...exactly the same as Saturday's drawing...ONE. Maybe I can get two in the Powerball drawing...or not

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BigA....I know the feeling... I had one number.. the Mega number....So, two dollar winner...Cheers, RickO

  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,667 ✭✭✭✭✭

    no $20 high relief for me.

    No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left

  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,676 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ms70 said:
    You're the sole winner. What would you do numismatically?

    I would buy that 1792 Half Disme from Legend. Maybe even leave a tip.

    Probably do a hi-grade toned Morgan full date/mm set.

    Distribute a ton of charity, do lots of good.. many forget those around them when good fortune comes along.

  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,325 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinstartled said:

    @dcarr said:
    My wife just sent me out at 7:25PM to buy 10 tickets. She told me the cut-off for sales was 10:00PM.
    When I got to the counter, the clerk said that I missed the deadline by 10 seconds. The deadline is actually 7:30PM (local time) here in Colorado.

    Well, anyway, that is $20 saved.
    Now, what should I buy for $20 ?

    >
    Brings up a good question. Consider the numbers on the ten tickets that you had planned on buying. Did they just pop up on the next ten random pick tickets purchased (assuming that you would have bought system generated tickets) or did those numbers just go poof into the ether since you were not there to purchase them?

    They just sat there for the next buyer since they don't exist until someone buys them. It may well be that tickets sold at other terminals have an effect on the numbers generated at the terminal where yours/his were purchased. No way to know or guarantee that the next person in line would have gotten the same numbers that DC passed on.

    theknowitalltroll;
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,325 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BackroadJunkie said:

    @Coinstartled said:

    @dcarr said:
    My wife just sent me out at 7:25PM to buy 10 tickets. She told me the cut-off for sales was 10:00PM.
    When I got to the counter, the clerk said that I missed the deadline by 10 seconds. The deadline is actually 7:30PM (local time) here in Colorado.

    Well, anyway, that is $20 saved.
    Now, what should I buy for $20 ?

    >
    Brings up a good question. Consider the numbers on the ten tickets that you had planned on buying. Did they just pop up on the next ten random pick tickets purchased (assuming that you would have bought system generated tickets) or did those numbers just go poof into the ether since you were not there to purchase them?

    They probably never existed in the first place.

    The numbers should be generated on demand. Pre-generated numbers will follow a pattern, that's just how machines work. A set of numbers generated on demand will be more random, since us humans suck at keeping precise time and will request numbers at any time. (I'm assuming, since it's the lottery, they'd want to keep everything as random as possible.)

    On the other hand, if you're asking some existential question like whether the universe is predestined or multi-threaded, you're on your own. :smiley:

    I was told that the algorithm/s used to generate the numbers is/are not perfect and I've noticed that if you buy large blocks of tix with the easy pick option the combinations tend to have a lot of similarity. Colt's post is the reason I never buy easy picks unless it's a free play.

    theknowitalltroll;
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,325 ✭✭✭✭✭

    At my age I'd buy bullion which is a known commodity rather than a bunch of high dollar coins that my heirs would have to deal with.

    theknowitalltroll;
  • logger7logger7 Posts: 9,050 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My thoughts on trying to beat the odds; go to at least 10 different lottery outlets for easypicks, get several at each. Use multiple different methodologies to pick your own numbers. Eliminate numbers that are usually losers.

  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,325 ✭✭✭✭✭

    IMO the "losers" are any combination with all single digit numbers for the white balls , or combinations where the white balls have all odd or all even numbers.

    theknowitalltroll;
  • KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There is NO gambling of any kind here in Hawaii. No Lotto, no Power Ball, no casinos. As a result there are plane loads of people headed to Las Vegas every day. Some establishments there cater to Hawaii residents with themed hotels and restaurants. Lots of revenue leaving the state every day.


  • santinidollarsantinidollar Posts: 1,056 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Kudbegud said:
    There is NO gambling of any kind here in Hawaii. No Lotto, no Power Ball, no casinos. As a result there are plane loads of people headed to Las Vegas every day. Some establishments there cater to Hawaii residents with themed hotels and restaurants. Lots of revenue leaving the state every day.

    And maybe a lot of problems with it. Here in Louisiana, gambling has been a lot more trouble than it has been worth.

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,247 ✭✭✭✭✭

    an 1927 d st gaudens $20 double eagle for starts

  • david3142david3142 Posts: 3,600 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BAJJERFAN said:
    IMO the "losers" are any combination with all single digit numbers for the white balls , or combinations where the white balls have all odd or all even numbers.

    We’ve been over this. There is no such thing as a losing combination. The only downside to picking “patterns” or recognizable combinations is that you are more likely to split the winnings.

  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 24, 2018 1:57PM

    <3

  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,325 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @david3142 said:

    @BAJJERFAN said:
    IMO the "losers" are any combination with all single digit numbers for the white balls , or combinations where the white balls have all odd or all even numbers.

    We’ve been over this. There is no such thing as a losing combination. The only downside to picking “patterns” or recognizable combinations is that you are more likely to split the winnings.

    Those are IMO "losers" in the sense that they are poor choices. You can't lose something that wasn't yours to begin with.

    theknowitalltroll;
  • logger7logger7 Posts: 9,050 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was talking to one of the lottery workers earlier, much smarter than average, who said there was a guy who played only certain numbers in the 100 pack scratch offs, and usually came away with an extra $100 every time. The lottery commission was informed but told there was nothing they could do.

  • OnastoneOnastone Posts: 4,152 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I can always depend on your <3 popping up!!!!

    What would I do numismatically if I won that lottery? Buy a little gold. Perhaps some incuse coins. I think I prefer gold over platinum or palladium, it's just more beautiful. Old gold, new gold, it's all good as gold to me!!!!!

  • david3142david3142 Posts: 3,600 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    @david3142 said:

    @BAJJERFAN said:
    IMO the "losers" are any combination with all single digit numbers for the white balls , or combinations where the white balls have all odd or all even numbers.

    We’ve been over this. There is no such thing as a losing combination. The only downside to picking “patterns” or recognizable combinations is that you are more likely to split the winnings.

    Those are IMO "losers" in the sense that they are poor choices. You can't lose something that wasn't yours to begin with.

    Assuming the game isn’t rigged in some sense, all combinations are equally likely. I’m quite certain you already know this as we have discussed it before. You are obviously entitled to any superstitions/preferences you choose to have.

    Anyway...

    If I won I’d collect the same coins but at a higher level and extend my toned type set into the 19th century.

  • Mission16Mission16 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭

    I would spend a couple million on advertising:
    "Searching for 1793 Strawberry Leaf Large Cents in mint condition"

    Odds are there are some tucked away in desks and cabinets somewhere on the east coast.

  • logger7logger7 Posts: 9,050 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Mission16 said:
    I would spend a couple million on advertising:
    "Searching for 1793 Strawberry Leaf Large Cents in mint condition"

    Odds are there are some tucked away in desks and cabinets somewhere on the east coast.

    Or offer to pay $10 million for the "other" 1849 double eagle and other elusive items.

  • goldengolden Posts: 9,996 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @santinidollar said:
    Before jumping into coins, and after paying taxes, I would make a generous contribution to my pet charity:

    I had a cousin who went there in the early 1980's as a kid. They saved his life. He is now 6' + ,married with kids and in his mid 40's.

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,615 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 24, 2018 7:13PM

    I thought this was a coin thread, and the Jeopardy question was :
    How many wheat cents are out there ? And the thread title is the answer !

  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,325 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 26, 2018 11:46AM

    @david3142 said:

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    @david3142 said:

    @BAJJERFAN said:
    IMO the "losers" are any combination with all single digit numbers for the white balls , or combinations where the white balls have all odd or all even numbers.

    We’ve been over this. There is no such thing as a losing combination. The only downside to picking “patterns” or recognizable combinations is that you are more likely to split the winnings.

    Those are IMO "losers" in the sense that they are poor choices. You can't lose something that wasn't yours to begin with.

    Assuming the game isn’t rigged in some sense, all combinations are equally likely. I’m quite certain you already know this as we have discussed it before. You are obviously entitled to any superstitions/preferences you choose to have.

    Anyway...

    If I won I’d collect the same coins but at a higher level and extend my toned type set into the 19th century.

    Yes, that's ONE property of that pool of numbers, but it's not the only one. There are other things about it which are true also.
    About 95% of the white ball only combinations contain both even and odd numbers, about 3% contain only odd numbers and about 2% contain only even numbers. That's the calculated statistical expectation and being a random event will draw to that expectation over time depending upon which criteria you are discussing. There are just 6 ways to arrange 5 numbers based on whether they are odd or even. There are 11,238,513 possible combinations and all of them are assignable to one of those 6 arrangements. Since there are 35 odd numbered balls the number of possible combinations containing only odd numbers is 35 x 34 x 33 x 32 x 31 / 120 = 324,632. dividing by 11,238,513 gives 2.88 or about 3%. Since they are 3% of the total they will occur about 3% of the time. It also means that if you play ANY combination of all odd numbers 100 times that you will be OUT OF THE MONEY 97 of those times. Even if you play all 324,632 possible odd number combinations for the next 100 drawings you will still be OUT OF THE MONEY 97 of those times. And you can predict that before they even conduct a drawing.

    I charted all of the PB drawings from 01/01/2013 to 12/31/2017. In that time there were 522 draws. Combinations with all even numbers were drawn just 9 times and those with all odd numbers a mere 8 times. So IMO you're wasting your money by intentionally picking those types of combinations. While it's true that all 11,238,513 have the same chance to be drawn, other criteria predict different outcomes so it depends upon which one you want to hang your hat on. And it's not superstition, it's an indisputable mathematical fact.

    theknowitalltroll;
  • tyler267tyler267 Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 24, 2018 8:19PM

    I keep seeing articles about how winning the lottery ruins people's lives, but according to my girlfriend I'm pretty good at making bad decisions, so I'd like to add this one to the list.

    If I won I'd start working on the best collection of us patterns ever assembled.

  • david3142david3142 Posts: 3,600 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 24, 2018 8:21PM

    If you hire a lawyer and set up a trust, you could win anonymously. That should help a lot of the pitfalls.

    Thinking about it more, if I had an extra $500+MM laying around I’d collect proof gold too.

  • FullStrikeFullStrike Posts: 4,353 ✭✭✭

    Well today I saw a news snippet that said S.C. Residents can remain anonymous when they hit the Jackpot ! Oh well, guess we'll never know if the Pot was hit by the 89 members of the Myrtle Beach Home Shopping Club ! But if we start seeing instant sell-outs of the various offerings - we'll have a strong clue.

    Seeing one ticket hit a Jackpot always makes me happy. Seeing a large Pool split a Pot always gets me a little sad. An anonymous single ticket winner is A OK by me.

    Hopefully, the winner was about a 27 year old person that suffered a bit by the recent bad weather. Nothing but clear skies from now on for such a lucky winner.

    😎

  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,573 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well, it's long after the drawing and I didn't win... but had I won, I'd continue with my current collecting goals... finish my 7070 type set and start on 18th C type. I'd finish my Morgan Dollar date set and pick back up on Large Cents... only, had I won, I'd realistically be able to complete the endeavors!

    Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;

    Successful BST transactions with: SilverEagles92; Ahrensdad; Smitty; GregHansen; Lablade; Mercury10c; copperflopper; whatsup; KISHU1; scrapman1077, crispy, canadanz, smallchange, robkool, Mission16, ranshdow, ibzman350, Fallguy, Collectorcoins, SurfinxHI, jwitten, Walkerguy21D, dsessom.
  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 9,123 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @originalisbest said:

    @dcarr said:
    My wife just sent me out at 7:25PM to buy 10 tickets. She told me the cut-off for sales was 10:00PM.
    When I got to the counter, the clerk said that I missed the deadline by 10 seconds. The deadline is actually 7:30PM (local time) here in Colorado.

    Well, anyway, that is $20 saved.
    Now, what should I buy for $20 ?

    Dan, just spend $2 on a Powerball ticket for tonight, assuming they do Powerball in CO. :)

    @Coinstartled said:
    Brings up a good question. Consider the numbers on the ten tickets that you had planned on buying. Did they just pop up on the next ten random pick tickets purchased (assuming that you would have bought system generated tickets) or did those numbers just go poof into the ether since you were not there to purchase them?

    When I programmed some random number generators many years ago, I would have my program query the host computer of the current time and the number of seconds that had elapsed since 01 January 1970 (a huge number). That number, along with some other factors, would be used as a "seed" in generating one or more random numbers.

    It is not uncommon to use the current time (in seconds or fractional seconds) as a seed number for random number generation. If that is the case with the lottery Quick Pick mechanism, then the numbers that I would have obtained for my Quick Picks would not be the same numbers that the next person who came along would receive (because they would be generating the numbers using a different time).

    PS:

    When my wife sent me to get the tickets, she instructed me to get $20 in Mega Millions and $20 in Power Ball. Although I missed the deadline for Mega Millions by 10 seconds (according to the clerk), I still purchased the $20 of Power Ball.

    The Mega Millions that I had intended to purchase was 5 quick picks and 5 with my selected numbers. We'll never know what the Quick Picks would have been. But the 5 games with my selected numbers would not have won anything.

    The Power Ball $20 "investment" yielded a single $4 winner.

  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 9,123 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ms70 said:
    A cigar & a shot of whiskey.

    Sorry, no cigar.

    But maybe the whiskey (bourbon).

  • CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 10,135 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I ended up with the same $4 Power Ball winner. Instead of a coiled hair Stella, I will be shopping for a few worn Sac Dollars with the windfall.

    B)

  • FullStrikeFullStrike Posts: 4,353 ✭✭✭

    Still the winner has not stepped forward? Can you imagine the free for all if no one steps forward with a winning ticket ?

  • RexfordRexford Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    @david3142 said:

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    @david3142 said:

    @BAJJERFAN said:
    IMO the "losers" are any combination with all single digit numbers for the white balls , or combinations where the white balls have all odd or all even numbers.

    We’ve been over this. There is no such thing as a losing combination. The only downside to picking “patterns” or recognizable combinations is that you are more likely to split the winnings.

    Those are IMO "losers" in the sense that they are poor choices. You can't lose something that wasn't yours to begin with.

    Assuming the game isn’t rigged in some sense, all combinations are equally likely. I’m quite certain you already know this as we have discussed it before. You are obviously entitled to any superstitions/preferences you choose to have.

    Anyway...

    If I won I’d collect the same coins but at a higher level and extend my toned type set into the 19th century.

    Yes, that's ONE property of that pool of numbers, but it's not the only one. There are other things about it which are true also.
    About 95% of the white ball only combinations contain both even and odd numbers, about 3% contain only odd numbers and about 2% contain only even numbers. That's the calculated statistical expectation and being a random event will draw to that expectation over time depending upon which criteria you are discussing. There are just 6 ways to arrange 5 numbers based on whether they are odd or even. There are 11,238,513 possible combinations and all of them are assignable to one of those 6 arrangements. Since there are 35 odd numbered balls the number of possible combinations containing only odd numbers is 35 x 34 x 33 x 32 x 31 / 120 = 324,632. dividing by 11,238,513 gives 2.88 or about 3%. Since they are 3% of the total they will occur about 3% of the time. It also means that if you play ANY combination of all odd numbers 100 times that you will be OUT OF THE MONEY 97 of those times. Even if you play all 324,632 possible odd number combinations for the next 100 drawings you will still be OUT OF THE MONEY 97 of those times. And you can predict that before they even conduct a drawing.

    I charted all of the PB drawings from 01/01/2013 to 12/31/2017. In that time there were 522 draws. Combinations with all even numbers were drawn just 9 times and those with all odd numbers a mere 8 times. So IMO you're wasting your money by intentionally picking those types of combinations. While it's true that all 11,238,513 have the same chance to be drawn, other criteria predict different outcomes so it depends upon which one you want to hang your hat on. And it's not superstition, it's an indisputable mathematical fact.

    You're looking at it the wrong way. It may be rue that there is a very low chance that a certain group of numbers will win (white ball only combinations contain both even and odd numbers), but that's irrelevant as the chance of any of the INDIVIDUAL draw combinations in that particular group of numbers has the same chance of winning as ANY OTHER particular draw combination. In other words, as all-white, all-odd draw combination has the same exact chance (1/300 million or whatever) as any other draw combination. If you picked a random combination that was not all-white, all-odd, it would have the exact same chance of winning as an all-white, all-odd combination. The group that that combination belongs to is irrelevant as the group (white ball only combinations contain both even and odd numbers) is not the thing that is winning, the individual combination is. Simple math says that the chance of winning any particular combination is exactly the same irrelevant of what numbers you pick, it just SEEMS to not be the case because of the way our minds work.

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