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Grade my pawn shop find! 1902 S Morgan

Spartcom5Spartcom5 Posts: 392 ✭✭✭
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Found this earlier and thought it was a good price for the grade. I found another 1902 S about 2 years ago at another pawn that graded at an AU58. This one IMO is also AU but lower. The original luster is still present and it looks nice in hand. What do you guys think on grade?


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    Spartcom5Spartcom5 Posts: 392 ✭✭✭

    I'm noticing some green like color on the right wing, might this be PVC? I need to give it an acetone bath still.

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    blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 5,446 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks to be xf45 to me. Could get a 50 if the grader was "feeling" generous that day. Puts my VF30 to shame for sure. Congrats!

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    Spartcom5Spartcom5 Posts: 392 ✭✭✭
    edited October 15, 2018 5:06PM

    @Wabbit2313 said:
    I grade it counterfeit but hope I am wrong. No one can disagree anymore so there!

    I noticed that the 2 looked off but I didn't think anything of it. Never occurred to me it could be fake but who knows.I hope not...

    Edit: 1. Breen-5693, VAM-I, 2. Uncirculateds are usually weak and often on striated blanks. The "filled 2" coins (VAM-I, late) have die chipped between upper base and middle curve of 2.

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    lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 7,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was leaning xf40 details with what looks like PVC spots (the dark green on the obverse)... but since the odd "2" was pointed out, I'm firmly in the "I don't know" camp! :-0

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    Spartcom5Spartcom5 Posts: 392 ✭✭✭
    edited October 15, 2018 5:44PM

    It's soaking in acetone right now. I will have to have someone look at in person.

    As for the 2, I think it is a filled 2.

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    DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Can't see a bit of luster. Looks like a counterfeit to me.

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    Spartcom5Spartcom5 Posts: 392 ✭✭✭
    edited October 15, 2018 8:27PM

    Okay my pictures are bad sorry. I can assure you the coin is real and there is decent luster in person. I will try to take better pictures tomorrow. Why do you all keep saying it's fake? (I will admit my pictures do make the coin look REALLY BAD).

    The coin has been in acetone for awhile and the green PVC on the reverse had faded to almost nothing.

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    HallcoHallco Posts: 3,627 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Post more pictures after the dip and try some different lighting angles. Coin photography is hard! :D

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    DontTellTheWifeDontTellTheWife Posts: 603 ✭✭✭
    edited October 15, 2018 9:37PM

    im thinking something is not quite right with the surface color/ look. Just a gut feeling

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    Spartcom5Spartcom5 Posts: 392 ✭✭✭
    edited October 15, 2018 9:54PM

    the counterfeiters wouldn't have known about the filled 2 vam.. My pictures make the coin look weird.

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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 7,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Genuine. Looks like a nice original (somewhat dirty) AU-53.

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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 19,692 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm at 53 on it. Get some of the crud off and it'll look better. The chip in the 2 is a die break that happens on a few 1902 obverse dies from all mints.

    John
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    mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    45 to me.

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    morgansforevermorgansforever Posts: 8,428 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU and genuine imo. Have seen that filled 2 on other Morgans, counterfeiters aren't gonna purposely fill a 2.

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    au58au58 Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭

    It's real and, after a soak, it's AU-50.

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    AlexinPAAlexinPA Posts: 1,458 ✭✭✭✭✭

    XF to AU and genuine.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would guess AU50.... and genuine.... Cheers, RickO

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 22,686 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm at XF45

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,481 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks like an EF to me, and genuine.

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    RollermanRollerman Posts: 1,840 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How about a before and after the soak? Just curious how it turned out. By the way, I was always in the AU50 camp for that one.
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    7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,254 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think I am seeing a significant amount of luster there, especially the reverse with a "scungy" appearance to the obverse - that may improve with a bit of acetone. Surprisingly, if closely watched an ammonia solution (household 1:1 mix with H2O) may also help just a bit; not to soak but gentle tamping with Q-tip and liberal rinsing afterward.

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    Spartcom5Spartcom5 Posts: 392 ✭✭✭

    Still in acetone as of now. The coin is looking much better but there is still a small bit of green on the right wing tip. I will leave it in for a couple more hours and check again. Would rolling a qtip on it not be advised? I've seen some people do it but I've never tried.

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    HallcoHallco Posts: 3,627 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 16, 2018 12:17PM

    I am excited to see it when it is done. Is it ok to soak silver in acetone for many hours?

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    CCGGGCCGGG Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭✭✭

    45

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    PTVETTERPTVETTER Posts: 5,880 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe it’s just the photo,
    Just doesn’t look right!

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    lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 7,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'd love to see the "after" pics. Check the white balance on your camera... it might be throwing the color off. Coin photography is truly an art form...

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    Spartcom5Spartcom5 Posts: 392 ✭✭✭
    edited October 16, 2018 4:17PM

    Much more pleased with the results. I just did the reverse and am working on the obverse. I like to acetone my coins one side up at a time so I can pay attention to each one at a time. Anyways here's how the reverse turned out. I had to gently roll a qtip on the PVC on the wingtip to lift it off and it looks great IMO. I captured the luster as well. The blotch under the W in WE didn't budge.

    So now on the obverse, does it look like PVC on the left side field? Can't tell but I am soaking it right now and may try to roll a qtip to see if any of it lifts off. Thoughts? Any other PVC spots to watch out for on the obverse?

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    blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 5,446 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks solid 50 on the reverse now, maybe even 53. Crazy how a dip can up the grade, well photograde anyway. lol

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    7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,254 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That appears to be verd by the "w" and acetone will not remove. That is why I suggested the ammonia solution. Q-tips are fine as long as you do not rub/grind on the surface. Experiment with bullion type coins if you like to get a comfort level. It would definitely improve it.

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    Spartcom5Spartcom5 Posts: 392 ✭✭✭
    edited October 17, 2018 4:27PM

    Obverse is finished, not much change. Little bit more luster but that's about it. Hard for me to picture but it does have a cartwheel effect. I think it's ready for a submission. I gave both sides a quick rinse in acetone and into a flip. I am pleased with how it turned out. Paid $80 for it at the pawn.

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    fiftysevenerfiftysevener Posts: 896 ✭✭✭✭

    Maybe dipped out unc. See if it straight grades.

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    Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    By the way, Acetone and q-tips on a circulated coin, you can scrub away all you want, it is not going to do anything damage wise to the coin.

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    KkathylKkathyl Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I see indications of a few Vams double berry large gap to wing and the filled 2. I dont like the color but the date is considered scarce.

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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,288 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I see it as an AU50-53. I agree that is a die chip on the 2. I hope the lustre is there, but I cannot see it in the photos, but if you see it inhand then great. Thanks for sharing.
    Jim


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    erwindocerwindoc Posts: 4,927 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think I would try a bit of MS70 on it. Dirt comes off nicely and works well on MS/AU coins. Good find!!

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    BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,732 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice pickup. Better post-dip. I think it has a bit of mint luster, but not much. I’m in the 45-50 camp.

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    MICHAELDIXONMICHAELDIXON Posts: 6,407 ✭✭✭✭✭

    XF45.

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    Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cleaned AU-50 it's sliver...



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    7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,254 ✭✭✭✭✭

    50 seems fair to me based on the photo. A bit of luster and not too many issues, but not "clean enough" to make 53. Still a nice coin and pickup IMO.

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